Recommitted Tim Kelly [requested a trade to West Coast]

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John Ralph from Herald Sun reporting this morning that Kelly camp waiting on the Cats to put the offer on the table based on a 1 year rolling contract with ability for Tim to activate extension with guaranteed money for him.

He wrote though that the “good mail is he’s going home”.
I do believe you but do you have a link on this article?
 

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The longer the contract the easier it will be to match a free agency bid. They only need to match the length in years and the total contract value.

I'll give you an example.

Fremantle currently has nobody contracted for 2024 and only two players contracted for 2023. If Coniglio was a Fremantle free agent leaving to go to GWS and they had offered a 5 year deal worth $1.3m a year then Fremantle would be able to match that deal because there is $13m free cap space in the fifth year of the deal and let's be really generous and say $10m free in the fourth year.

So I don't expect there to be a situation where a club "can't" match a deal, but I expect there to be many circumstances where a club won't because the player is gone, the club already knows what deal they are trying to beat and they've had all season to agree to those terms.
Did not understand that technicality, thanks for the explanation 👍
 
John Ralph from Herald Sun reporting this morning that Kelly camp waiting on the Cats to put the offer on the table based on a 1 year rolling contract with ability for Tim to activate extension with guaranteed money for him.

He wrote though that the “good mail is he’s going home”.
I would expect they'd wait until the end of the season to put it on the table. Given the likelihood of rejection you'd rather not feed the media
 
I would expect they'd wait until the end of the season to put it on the table. Given the likelihood of rejection you'd rather not feed the media

Cats would need the AFL to approve as well. These new age rolling contracts with player options etc is getting more and more complicated.

Evolution of that part of the game and catching up with overseas sports.
 
We officially had two first round picks in 2018 but used none. We traded our first round pick to Gold Coast the year before and the Lycett compo pick we live traded during the draft.

Instead of pick 23 (Rd 1 compo) and 25 (Rd 2) we ended up with 28 and 31 and a future 2nd instead of a future 3rd. Or something. We do the most complicated and boring pick trades every damn year.
The Lycett compo pick wasn't a first rounder, doesn't count for the 2 in 4 rule. That's why it was taken on day 2 of the draft. It wasn't made hugely clear at the time but I did spend a bit of time checking. Getting it to count for the 2 in 4 hurdle would've added a bit of value to the pick
 
Surely this recent inconsistent run of form shows Kelly is slipping in value.

With all the unrest at Freoland with strong views that 2 Hills and Langdon wasn’t out and Ross the Boss rumours refusing to go away, Kelly may not be wanting to go to Cockburn.

You can spin this both ways. Footy journos looove rumour mongering and speculation. On the one hand, Kelly doesn't want to join Freo because of friction with the Hills. On the other, the Hills and Langdon being on the way out is a sign of player unrest so Kelly wouldn't want to join Freo.
 
The Lycett compo pick wasn't a first rounder, doesn't count for the 2 in 4 rule. That's why it was taken on day 2 of the draft. It wasn't made hugely clear at the time but I did spend a bit of time checking. Getting it to count for the 2 in 4 hurdle would've added a bit of value to the pick


Draft order has 22 and 23 as first round picks. Footywire has pick 23 as Rd 1 also. I mentioned the extra 'value' last year.
 
The Lycett compo pick wasn't a first rounder, doesn't count for the 2 in 4 rule. That's why it was taken on day 2 of the draft. It wasn't made hugely clear at the time but I did spend a bit of time checking. Getting it to count for the 2 in 4 hurdle would've added a bit of value to the pick

If need be the AFL would need to approve the Eagles using multiple 1st in trades.

Given it jusy won the premiership, has a very strong list and used 9 2nd round picks in two drafts the Eagles list planing is looking pretty solid.

The only reason the AFL would not allow it would be to restrict the Eagles getting too strong and force them to give up a player.
 

Draft order has 22 and 23 as first round picks. Footywire has pick 23 as Rd 1 also. I mentioned the extra 'value' last year.
If need be the AFL would need to approve the Eagles using multiple 1st in trades.

Given it jusy won the premiership, has a very strong list and used 9 2nd round picks in two drafts the Eagles list planing is looking pretty solid.

The only reason the AFL would not allow it would be to restrict the Eagles getting too strong and force them to give up a player.
Just checking we're answering the same question here:

"An end-of-first-round compensation selection does not count in a club's rolling four-year tally."


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I have no doubt the AFL will sign off on West Coast trading away this and next year's first rounder for Kelly. They play the child with additional needs, restraint of trade, do a sneaky via the supplemental draft, mental health card, etc and we'd be home and hosed.
 
Just checking we're answering the same question here:

"An end-of-first-round compensation selection does not count in a club's rolling four-year tally."


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No arguments from me.

I was just saying should the Eagles require permission to use two 1st they should be ok getting that.

The AFL put in this rule to protect clubs from themselves and burning future picks. Given the Eagles exchanged a future 1st with Gold Coast for multiple 2nd rounders and smashed the draft with 9 2nd round selections in two drafts, won a flag and have a quality list, they are doing pretty well IMO on list management.

If however the AFL want to use that rule to equalise the competition and block the Eagles building a better list well thats a different scenario. So I wouldnt be surprised if they said no with a BS excuse.
 
No arguments from me.

I was just saying should the Eagles require permission to use two 1st they should be ok getting that.

The AFL put in this rule to protect clubs from themselves and burning future picks. Given the Eagles exchanged a future 1st with Gold Coast for multiple 2nd rounders and smashed the draft with 9 2nd round selections in two drafts, won a flag and have a quality list, they are doing pretty well IMO on list management.

If however the AFL want to use that rule to equalise the competition and block the Eagles building a better list well thats a different scenario. So I wouldnt be surprised if they said no with a BS excuse.

Would be especially bad if we started sniffing around Coniglio as a FA.

Suddenly it would be all 'integrity of the competition' or some such crap. Probably end up with a Sydney like trade ban.
 
No arguments from me.

I was just saying should the Eagles require permission to use two 1st they should be ok getting that.

The AFL put in this rule to protect clubs from themselves and burning future picks. Given the Eagles exchanged a future 1st with Gold Coast for multiple 2nd rounders and smashed the draft with 9 2nd round selections in two drafts, won a flag and have a quality list, they are doing pretty well IMO on list management.

If however the AFL want to use that rule to equalise the competition and block the Eagles building a better list well thats a different scenario. So I wouldnt be surprised if they said no with a BS excuse.
Won't argue that if anyone should have the rule waived it should be west coast but you have to acknowledge the default position would be to stick to the rules
 
Won't argue that if anyone should have the rule waived it should be west coast but you have to acknowledge the default position would be to stick to the rules

Agreed but the rules allow for a waiver under certain circumstances that only the AFL knows. But when a club tradrs a 1st round pick for multiple 2nd rounders that equate to much more draft currency and they use that drafting kids asking for a waiver isnt asking a lot.

Especially with the 1st round pick we traded we dropped 3 spots 18 to 21 plus gained two other 2nd rounders.:cool::D
 
If WCE get pick 19 from GC plus our pick 16 at the moment ...then # 16 and #19 to Geelong might be a chance which is pretty good for Geelong on a player that's wants to come home and is uncontracted . Sounds about even ...
 
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