Traded Tom Barrass & 2025 F4 (WCE) traded to Hawthorn for 2025 F1, F2 & F3 (all Haw)

[bzparkes]

2x 2nd rounders or a 2nd and a player (yet to be identified) is Hawks proposed offer.

 

[bzparkes]

Because if we are going to go down this rabbit hole, should previous trade valuations be factored in then?

If we assume current draft positions, Hawthorn with 2 1st rounders at current position is worth pick 2 in terms of draft points.

Is Tom Barrass worth that, when

Dangerfield went for Pick 9 and 28
Dawson went for pick 18
May for pick 6
Hogan for 6 and 23

How many of those blokes had 3 years to run on their contract?

 

[Coasters7]

You’re preaching to the converted. He’s a gun. But he’ll also be 29 with back issues and wants out due to false promises. You won’t be getting 2 1sts and I’ll happily take that to the bank.

So you wouldn’t trade two late firsts if it meant instantly improving your list with an AA calibre player in the position you need most?

Decent chance at least one of those picks doesn’t make it to 200 games.

 

[croweater 41]

Lever a great one.

Melbourne received a 2nd and 3rd back in exchange for their 2 1sts (10 and 18).

Making the total deal worth, in terms of draft points, the same as … a 1st and 2nd.

Points grading is worth **** all when there isn't a FS/Academy tied to it.

Just because pick 24 and 32 equal pick 12 (no I didn't do the math I could be off there) doesn't mean they are equal.

 

[adammania9]

Youre having a laugh no? He’s one of the best backmen in the league in his prime with 3 years to run on his contract. With the Hawks cracking the 8 this week that pick is now outside 10.

It’s both first rounders easily, especially if you climb a couple more spots (likely with your fixture). You cant be going after a contracted top 5 defender and not having to pay up for him.

~12 and F12 is more than fair for both sides.

Dubious. 1x AA squad nomination in his career and 0 team selections. Can count on one hand the number of times he's finished top 10 in the John Worsfold Medal.

 

[Taylor]

Lever a great one.

Melbourne received a 2nd and 3rd back in exchange for their 2 1sts (10 and 18).

Making the total deal worth, in terms of draft points, the same as … a 1st and 2nd.

The ladder positions are different for the team losing the player since Adelaide's second round pick was at the end of the round compared to WC's being right at the start.

But having the trade follow as:

#11 and Future 1st for Tom Barrass and future 3rd is about the same.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

West Coast can set whatever price they want, he is contracted. I am just suggesting our use of one asset doesn’t have to mean we value him the same with the other.

West coast only think he is worth 750 over 3 years, should that lessen what they value him at?

We offered him 4 years but he wants 5 is a part of the impasse we are at.

 

[H00t]

I can see 2 firsts working.

Our first this year and us and eagles swap f1’s next year for Barrass or keep your future 1st and throw in a Harley instead…

 

[The Gtrain]

I can see 2 firsts working.

Our first this year and us and eagles swap f1’s next year for Barrass or keep your future 1st and throw in a Harley instead…

So we give you Barrass and 3 ( or Harley) for say 10 & 12.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

This number being floated seems pretty high. Sounds like it would make him a highest paid player and if so I don't believe it for 1 second.

What do you think he is being offered?

 

[H00t]

So we give you Barrass and 3 ( or Harley) for say 10 & 12.

Sounds good to me. Eagles still winning the trade slightly but we can take the hit to help you guys out.

 

[The Gtrain]

Sounds good to me. Eagles still winning the trade slightly but we can take the hit to help you guys out.

Your username checks out haha

 

[Philhawk]

So much posturing, I love it.

So you wouldn’t trade two late firsts if it meant instantly improving your list with an AA calibre player in the position you need most?

Decent chance at least one of those picks doesn’t make it to 200 games.

I personally wouldn’t. 1 1st, yep. Barrass has played an average of 17 games a season across last five years and I wouldn’t expect that number to increase over next 5. If we could get 80 out of him, I’d be happy. But it’s not worth 2 1sts.

 

[HeHateMe]

What do you think he is being offered?

If I was to guess it would probably be wrong but would have to be less than our captain at the very least.

 

[Philhawk]

The ladder positions are different for the team losing the player since Adelaide's second round pick was at the end of the round compared to WC's being right at the start.

But having the trade follow as:

#11 and Future 1st for Tom Barrass and future 3rd is about the same.

Predicting ladder positions is fraught with danger. It’s fun to assume Hawks will rise, but Pies did that and their pick swap with us will now actually be a downgrade for us.

Only reasonable measure is to assume picks remain as is.

 

[Taylor]

Predicting ladder positions is fraught with danger. It’s fun to assume Hawks will rise, but Pies did that and their pick swap with us will now actually be a downgrade for us.

Only reasonable measure is to assume picks remain as is.

I am assuming pick #11 stays as pick #11 the following year. Two pick #11s for Barrass and a pick in the low 30s.

 

[Philhawk]

I am assuming pick #11 stays as pick #11 the following year. Two pick #11s for Barrass and a pick in the low 30s.

A third rounder is a pick in the 40s, not 30s.

Based on picks this year at present, not including picks pushed back

10 + 10 for Barrass + 42 puts Barrass at worth pick 3.

Too much.

 

[eaglevision]

So much posturing, I love it.



I personally wouldn’t. 1 1st, yep. Barrass has played an average of 17 games a season across last five years and I wouldn’t expect that number to increase over next 5. If we could get 80 out of him, I’d be happy. But it’s not worth 2 1sts.

I love the hypocrisy to then include a season where he gets tunnelled and misses the rest of the season and also the Covid season where he played 18 games. Which was every game. Take out his single season ending injury courtesy of Jack and he’s actually been pretty durable. You’re getting a fantastic player and a sharp mind on and off the field too.

 

[Taylor]

A third rounder is a pick in the 40s, not 30s.

Based on picks this year at present, not including picks pushed back

10 + 10 for Barrass + 42 puts Barrass at worth pick 3.

Too much.

Sounds appropriate given the size of his contract being offered and that he is already contracted.

Tim Kelly was more expensive.

The real worry, I know, if that a future first becomes a top five pick.

 

[Philhawk]

Sounds appropriate given the size of his contract being offered and that he is already contracted.

Tim Kelly was more expensive.

The real worry, I know, if that a future first becomes a top five pick.

It might sound appropriate, I’m just saying it will never happen. It’d be arguably the biggest trade in afl history based on draft pick worth.

10 + 30 puts Barrass worth at pick 8 which is far more reasonable, which is where I think it’ll land.

 

[Philhawk]

I love the hypocrisy to then include a season where he gets tunnelled and misses the rest of the season and also the Covid season where he played 18 games. Which was every game. Take out his single season ending injury courtesy of Jack and he’s actually been pretty durable. You’re getting a fantastic player and a sharp mind on and off the field too.

I’m pointing out stats. You don’t need to talk him up to me. He’s very good. He’s just not worth pick 1-3 good which is what some Eagles posters are valuing him at based on draft picks.

 

[Taylor]

It might sound appropriate, I’m just saying it will never happen. It’d be arguably the biggest trade in afl history based on draft pick worth.

10 + 30 puts Barrass worth at pick 8 which is far more reasonable, which is where I think it’ll land.

I don't think it would be even close to top five.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Sorry but how the hell do you know what’s being offered?

I have heard he is getting offered more per year and 2x extra years .

He is on 800k a year atm

Also heard 4.5mil over 5 years just deduced 900k per year

Eagles don't have a problem upping his $ per year but don't want to add extra years .
If we were pricks we would just say sorry mate you are contracted for 3 more years .

 

[Philhawk]

I don't think it would be even close to top five.

Which trades would be worth more in terms of draft points? Tim Kelly the only one I can think of.

 

[eaglevision]

I’m pointing out stats. You don’t need to talk him up to me. He’s very good. He’s just not worth pick 1-3 good which is what some Eagles posters are valuing him at based on draft picks.

You are, but the details matter otherwise it’s very misleading. Nothing we discuss here will change his trade value but yes I agree, not worth pick 1-3.