Traded Tom Barrass & 2025 F4 (WCE) traded to Hawthorn for 2025 F1, F2 & F3 (all Haw)

[Get_The_Gaff]

I think most Hawthorn fans would be comfortable with this deal;
Hawks lose 1st rounder + future 2nd
Eagles lose Barrass + future 3rd

If hawks fans are comfortable with the trade its probably unders

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

If I was to guess it would probably be wrong but would have to be less than our captain at the very least.

If Josh Battle comes, what do you think he would earn?

 

[Taylor]

Which trades would be worth more in terms of draft points? Tim Kelly the only one I can think of.

Your threshold was pick #3.

Judd and #46 was traded for #3, #20
Lachie Weller and #41 traded for pick #2
Tim Kelly
Luke Jackson
Dylan Shiel
Adam Treloar (the first trade) (#7, #7)
Dayne Beams to Brisbane (#5, #25, Crisp)
Arguably Tom Boyd if the Dogs captain at the time plus pick #6 is of value

Just off the top of my head

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I’m pointing out stats. You don’t need to talk him up to me. He’s very good. He’s just not worth pick 1-3 good which is what some Eagles posters are valuing him at based on draft picks.

Pick 12 + a future 2nd is basically pick 10, not pick 3 .

Why people think a pick in the 30s holds so much value is weird

 

[Taylor]

Pick 12 + a future 2nd is basically pick 10, not pick 3 .

Why people think a pick in the 30s holds so much value is weird

Points for picks beyond #20 will be less next season too.

 

[Obeanie1]

Lever a great one.

Melbourne received a 2nd and 3rd back in exchange for their 2 1sts (10 and 18).

Making the total deal worth, in terms of draft points, the same as … a 1st and 2nd.

Can see two 1sts for Barrass and a F 2nd going back.

Don't think too many would be arguing. Depends where the 2024 1st ends up.

 

[Obeanie1]

Your threshold was pick #3.

Judd and #46 was traded for #3, #20
Lachie Weller and #41 traded for pick #2
Tim Kelly
Luke Jackson
Dylan Shiel
Adam Treloar (the first trade) (#7, #7)
Dayne Beams to Brisbane (#5, #25, Crisp)
Arguably Tom Boyd if the Dogs captain at the time plus pick #6 is of value

Just off the top of my head

Um Judd also landed J Kennedy.

The Eagles greatest ever goal scorer.

 

[HeHateMe]

He is on 800k a year atm

On this number where has it come from, wasn't it mentioned that he didn't have Increases built into his contract, so if he signed it back in 2021/22 it's more likely to be around the 650/700k mark rather than 800k. Just a guess of course but that was around the mark FA were getting in that period and usually your guys resign for slightly under that market rate not more.

Is the 800k the renegotiated contract WC have tabled recently?

 

[Iceman!]

So you wouldn’t trade two late firsts if it meant instantly improving your list with an AA calibre player in the position you need most?

Decent chance at least one of those picks doesn’t make it to 200 games.

No I wouldn’t trade them for for an almost 30 year old who has never been an AA when he doesn’t guarantee us anything.

 

[Taylor]

No I wouldn’t trade them for for an almost 30 year old who has never been an AA when he doesn’t guarantee us anything.

You shouldn't be paying nearly a million bucks a year for him either then, not for four years.

 

[mezaire]

Hawks fans.....is there any reason DGB isn't being talked about as being part o the trade?

Is he good enough to be part of HWC's future and therefore worth too much to put on the table?
Is he that bad that he adds nothing to a trade?
Is he now a fwd and WC don't need tall fwd's?

 

[Coasters7]

So much posturing, I love it.



I personally wouldn’t. 1 1st, yep. Barrass has played an average of 17 games a season across last five years and I wouldn’t expect that number to increase over next 5. If we could get 80 out of him, I’d be happy. But it’s not worth 2 1sts.

Alternatively though, if you were currently sitting 11th or 12th and it was pick 6 or 7 straight swap what would your thoughts be?

 

[Philhawk]

Pick 12 + a future 2nd is basically pick 10, not pick 3 .

Why people think a pick in the 30s holds so much value is weird

Yah, but Pick 10 and Pick 10 (2 1st round picks) is worth Pick 2.

 

[Philhawk]

Alternatively though, if you were currently sitting 11th or 12th and it was pick 6 or 7 straight swap what would your thoughts be?

No issues. We'll need to give up a first. That's a fait accompli. He's worth that. Somewhere in the 6-10 range is my thoughts.

 

[Iceman!]

You shouldn't be paying nearly a million bucks a year for him either then, not for four years.

We have a ridiculous amount of cap space, we can front load a deal that will be on a very reasonable wage on the back end. We have cap space so it is not a valuable asset to use, picks are. It’s a clear difference.

 

[Iceman!]

Hawks fans.....is there any reason DGB isn't being talked about as being part o the trade?

Is he good enough to be part of HWC's future and therefore worth too much to put on the table?
Is he that bad that he adds nothing to a trade?
Is he now a fwd and WC don't need tall fwd's?

He’s just shown nothing, so if West Coast want him he would be steak knives. He has very little currency unfortunately.

 

[Coasters7]

No issues. We'll need to give up a first. That's a fait accompli. He's worth that. Somewhere in the 6-10 range is my thoughts.

And hypothetically if someone came to you and offered 12 and a F1 for 6 would you take the deal?

 

[Philhawk]

And hypothetically if someone came to you and offered 12 and a F1 for 6 would you take the deal?

What's the F1 (which pick exactly)?

 

[Coasters7]

What's the F1 (which pick exactly)?

14-18

 

[Philhawk]

14-18

It's not an exact science, I suppose.

But 12 + 14 for 6? Depends on the draft - but if it's even draft like this year and unlikely to get pushed back with NGA + FS - then you'd consider it.

Is Pick 28 (the difference) worth a season of development? That's for others to decide.

What's the point you're trying to make?

 

[HeHateMe]

14-18

See this is what worries me young teams in recent times have pulled back the 2nd year after an initial run and then bounced again the following year after that. It happened to Freo, Sydney and Adelaide this year (yet to see the bounce back up).

Hawthorn would be going against the grain if they were to avoid it.

If Barrass cost our F1st in any scenario we should pull out. It's too risky at this stage.

 

[Purple Suit]

Pick 12 + a future 2nd is basically pick 10, not pick 3 .

Why people think a pick in the 30s holds so much value is weird

Hawk's first pick and F2 seems fair to me. Barrass is 29 so not exactly a spring chicken. Hawks could easily regress too with some key injuries so it could be anywhere from 20-30 which has value.

I'm doing the deal if I'm WC as he is the only player worth anything that you want to get rid of and this is the draft to hit big time. Look at Liam Ryan, he'd be worth a fraction of what you could have got a few years ago now, I wouldn't be letting that happen to Barrass.

 

[Taylor]

We have a ridiculous amount of cap space, we can front load a deal that will be on a very reasonable wage on the back end. We have cap space so it is not a valuable asset to use, picks are. It’s a clear difference.

So potentially able to buy a first round pick with salary cap space? If that function is ticked off by the AFL.

 

[Philhawk]

So potentially able to buy a first round pick with salary cap space? If that function is ticked off by the AFL.

Won't be ticked off this year.

 

[Iceman!]

So potentially able to buy a first round pick with salary cap space? If that function is ticked off by the AFL.

Won’t be happening this year if at all