Free Agency Tom Rockliff [signed with Port Adelaide]

[Sweet Jesus]

He's contracted so will more than likely be in Brisbane next year. And the Lions have lost enough players lately so will probably be pretty keen to keep him beyond that.

But I wonder if they might be persuaded to trade him, particularly if Rockliff is trying to force a deal by not re-signing.

I wonder what Brisbane fans think. Is it a case of 'no way, must keep'? Or more like 'top 10 pick, let's talk'?

 

[La Dispute]

Would any club in the league pay him 800k?

He's a decent player, can certainly extract and accumulate but in a better team he'd be the 3rd or 4th best mid.

On the other hand though, Brisbane should be looking to trade him. His trade currency is at its highest, their midfield talent isn't too bad and he's a polarising figure around the club.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Would any club in the league pay him 800k?

Maybe he'd accept less elsewhere?

He's a decent player, can certainly extract and accumulate but in a better team he'd be the 3rd or 4th best mid.

Surely there are a few clubs who'd look at him if he wanted to leave Brisbane.

 

[Supersuns]

Old tommy 1-2. I don't think he worth a top 10 pick. As said above me he stands out at Brisbane but would be 3rd option most other clubs. Possibly worth a pick in the teens.
To one dimensional to be worth anymore

 

[Roylion]

Old tommy 1-2. I don't think he worth a top 10 pick. As said above me he stands out at Brisbane but would be 3rd option most other clubs. Possibly worth a pick in the teens.

Rockliff will go for whatever price a club is prepared to pay for him and Brisbane are prepared to trade him at.

Given that Rockliff is contracted until 2017, is 26 years old with a 126 games under his belt, is the Club's captain and is one of the top half dozen players at the Lions, Brisbane wouldn't be trading him at the end of this year, for anything less than a Top 10 pick. In fact they wouldn't trade him at all, unless the offer was too good to refuse and that would have to include a Top Ten draft pick.

 

[Supersuns]

Rockliff will go for whatever price a club is prepared to pay for him and Brisbane are prepared to trade him at.

Given that Rockliff is contracted until 2017, is 26 years old with a 126 games under his belt, is the Club's captain and is one of the top half dozen players at the Lions, Brisbane wouldn't be trading him at the end of this year, for anything less than a Top 10 pick. In fact they wouldn't trade him at all, unless the offer was too good to refuse and that would have to include a Top Ten draft pick.

I don't expect Brisbane to trade him. I fully expect him to stay at the Lions, I was just saying what I think he is worth

 

[PenAndPaper]

Would any club in the league pay him 800k?

He's a decent player, can certainly extract and accumulate but in a better team he'd be the 3rd or 4th best mid.

On the other hand though, Brisbane should be looking to trade him. His trade currency is at its highest, their midfield talent isn't too bad and he's a polarising figure around the club.

I'd 100% take him at Hawthorn

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Rockliff will go for whatever price a club is prepared to pay for him and Brisbane are prepared to trade him at.

Given that Rockliff is contracted until 2017, is 26 years old with a 126 games under his belt, is the Club's captain and is one of the top half dozen players at the Lions, Brisbane wouldn't be trading him at the end of this year, for anything less than a Top 10 pick. In fact they wouldn't trade him at all, unless the offer was too good to refuse and that would have to include a Top Ten draft pick.

Would Rockliff be a free agent at the end of 2017?

 

[La Dispute]

I'd 100% take him at Hawthorn

For 800k?

 

[La Dispute]

Maybe he'd accept less elsewhere?

Surely there are a few clubs who'd look at him if he wanted to leave Brisbane.

No doubt a number of clubs would be interested, but it comes down to what another club is willing to pay him.

Tom Mitchell is seeking 600k and my evaluation would be similar for Rockliff.

 

[Roylion]

Would Rockliff be a free agent at the end of 2017?

From what I understand, Rockliff meets the eligibility criteria as a restricted free agent. Drafted in 2008. 2009 was his first season. Would have 9 years under his belt and be 27 years of age by the end of 2017.

 

[Balony_pony16]

Personally I think he will stay. But if he were to go I wonder if the Bombers would come in with pick 1? They have already said #1 is on the table. This draft is all mids up the top so taking a Ready made like Rockliff would be smart for them

 

[dlanod]

No doubt a number of clubs would be interested, but it comes down to what another club is willing to pay him.

Tom Mitchell is seeking 600k and my evaluation would be similar for Rockliff.

Rocky is looking for something around the $800k mark, after a Brisbane over of $650k-$700k.

 

[Ants]

Personally I think he will stay. But if he were to go I wonder if the Bombers would come in with pick 1? They have already said #1 is on the table. This draft is all mids up the top so taking a Ready made like Rockliff would be smart for them

Pick #1 would be overs for Rockliff, We'd want something back as well. Partly as I think we'll want younger players than him given when we're likely to be up and about again.

I really don't think we'd be interested unless we were getting something else pretty good back as well, in which case why would Brisbane be interested in trading with us?

 

[saintsrfreak]

Personally I think he will stay. But if he were to go I wonder if the Bombers would come in with pick 1? They have already said #1 is on the table. This draft is all mids up the top so taking a Ready made like Rockliff would be smart for them

lol, yeah for Rockliff and your first round pick

 

[Spitfire1801]

Rockliff will go for whatever price a club is prepared to pay for him and Brisbane are prepared to trade him at.

Given that Rockliff is contracted until 2017, is 26 years old with a 126 games under his belt, is the Club's captain and is one of the top half dozen players at the Lions, Brisbane wouldn't be trading him at the end of this year, for anything less than a Top 10 pick. In fact they wouldn't trade him at all, unless the offer was too good to refuse and that would have to include a Top Ten draft pick.

Might trade for unders if it helps with their case for a priority pick

 

[Yoda_]

Bar Geelong, GWS, Collingwood, Sydney he'd be arguably a top 2 midfielder in any other team.

Still worth a first round pick.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

From what I understand, Rockliff meets the eligibility criteria as a restricted free agent. Drafted in 2008. 2009 was his first season. Would have 9 years under his belt and be 27 years of age by the end of 2017.

So this is the knock-on effect of free agency, isn't it?

Brisbane would have to sit him down and ask him what his plans are. Does he really want to stay or is he just stalling on a new deal and doesn't actually plan on sticking around beyond 2017?

If he is in fact asking for $4 million over 5 years, that sounds like a bullshit ambit claim designed to prevent a new deal getting done.

If that's the case, surely Brisbane should entertain a reasonable trade this year, rather than lose him as a free agent at the end of 2017.

 

[Roylion]

I was just saying what I think he is worth

All I was saying is that Rockliff is worth whatever price a club is prepared to pay for him and Brisbane are prepared to trade him at.

I have no idea what other clubs are prepared to pay for him. However IF Brisbane were to trade him at the end of this season (to say for argument's sake, St Kilda), they would seek no less than a Top Ten draft pick.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Personally I think he will stay. But if he were to go I wonder if the Bombers would come in with pick 1? They have already said #1 is on the table. This draft is all mids up the top so taking a Ready made like Rockliff would be smart for them

Dreaming.

 

[Taylor]

If he did leave for $800,000 that should be enough to give Brisbane a pick right after their own next season.

Where do you see Brisbane finishing next season? +1 pick = value this year?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

If he did leave for $800,000 that should be enough to give Brisbane a pick right after their own next season.

Maybe. I'm less confident about the vagaries of the compensation system.

I also think it's highly unlikely Rockliff would get that kind of money.

 

[Keystone agony]

Hed be UNrestricted wouldnt he at the end of 2017?

I thought it was 8 years or more and you become Unrestricted?

 

[JasRulz63]

Hed be UNrestricted wouldnt he at the end of 2017?

I thought it was 8 years or more and you become Unrestricted?

8+ years, being in the top 25% of the TPP at the club and coming out of contract for first time after qualifying for FA = restricted free agent.

 

[Taylor]

Maybe. I'm less confident about the vagaries of the compensation system.

I also think it's highly unlikely Rockliff would get that kind of money.

It is going to get very complicated in the next 12 months but let me break this down.

For top level compensation he needs to be in the top 15% of players above 25. Currently that is about $750,000+

The complication is that with a new player agreement coming in, potentially a higher salary cap, there will be contracts signed the end of this season based off a new salary cap. If the cap doubles then we can assume the top 15% of the players over 25 would be higher too, so this season could be very good for free agent compensation as most players would be signed under the old cap - every year more contracts move over to the new salary cap and the advantage is reduced.

So $800,000 might not be enough for band 1 compensation next year, but an otherwise average player could get paid $800,000 average over 4 years this offseason and get band 1, as their contract will be off the new salary cap and the club can afford more with the highest ratio of old contracts to new on the AFL books.

**numbers are examples and based off a rough guestimate example of a doubled salary cap