Toovey was an embarassment

[ChipDouglas]

Embarrassing (his previous match against Richmond was) is way to harsh a call. But what cannot be denied is that he doesn't have much ability. His skills aren't AFL standard with the floating kicks a big concern. Compare his kicking to the low flat bullets over distance that Heath delivers. And he seems to lack awareness. His papers should be stamped but they won't be.

 

[Cassius_Clay]

Delist.

Clearly not good enough. He's even worse than Egan.

 

[smiddaz123]

He wasn't our worst, Anthony looked lost after a good start, he was easily our worst, not because he only got 4 disposals but because he just looked out of place and lacked intensity.

What? He was very very good for a first gamer.

His intensity was very very good.

 

[DanGerous]

What? He was very very good for a first gamer.

His intensity was very very good.

He got 4 possessions


Heath Shaw 33
Rhyce Shaw 26
Tarkyn Lockyer 26
Paul Medhurst 24
Leon Davis 24
Alan Didak 23
Scott Pendlebury 21
Ben Johnson 20
Dane Swan 18
Shane O'Bree 18
Dale Thomas 17
Shane Wakelin 17
Nick Maxwell 15
Travis Cloke 15
Heritier O'Brien 15
Josh Fraser 13
Alan Toovey 13
Scott Burns 12
Cameron Wood 10
Anthony Rocca 7
Nathan Brown 7
John Anthony 4

 

[morgoth]

Toovey was not that bad. He is a bit of a scapegoat but the only real mistake he made was due to not being hit on the chest by a pass and then being put under pressure.

He will never be a star but if he can come in and fill a role like he did today then that is about all we can ask. It is not like he is one of half a dozen hacks Richmond had running around today. FMG, imagine wasting pick 3 on Tambling, then we could complain. Fact is Toovey was a rookie, anything we get out of him is a bonus.

 

[DanGerous]

That's your opinion though?

Actually embarrassing is a pretty absolute word so I don't think we can hide behind subjectivity here, he was either embarrassing or not. He clearly was not!

 

[shawthing09]

I think more then anything people are upset with his selection more then anything.

The comment that "teams don't win premierships with the likes of Toovey" is a little inaccurate. Most teams will have players that may be sub standard to the rest of the team but fill a paticular role that is lacking in the team. Shannon Brynes for example in last year cats.

Toovey's skills are sub standard his decision making is poor but he could potential fill a tagging/hard nosed type role in our team.

I was pleasentally suprised with his game today, not that it was good but because it wasn't horrible, I think if he is in our best 22 long term we may have problems, but that is a different issue altogether. Should Toovey play before a fit Ried or Goldsack plain and simple no but neither where fit.

The Stanley issues an intresting one and I am slightly worried about his inability to crack the side despite fairly consistant preformances.

Cox I feel is almost equally not up to afl standards, what he does he does with ease but his defensive side of his game and ability to stay in the game mentality are still not up to it yet.

 

[DanGerous]

I think more then anything people are upset with his selection more then anything.

The comment that "teams don't win premierships with the likes of Toovey" is a little inaccurate.

Exactly, Jamie Turner 1990 premiership player anyone?

Another half back flanker that got bagged week in week out by his own supporters.

But take a look at the footage of him coming off the MCG on Grand Final day and hugging his wife with tears in his eyes because he bled black and white and just won the flag for the club he loved!

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Firstly i like jack and was calling for him to be honored on the elad most of the day, so im not bagging him heer but he looked half interested by the end and im sure he'll work on it and it was his debut.

Secondly reid is a forward stanley an inside midfielder niether would go back and play on apettifer or brown would they? If we had cox on pettifer or brown i would be having kittens coxy is a good player much mroe skilled that toovey but by god coxy just doesnt defender and thats a defenders major job see bowden he got plenty of the ball but medders his man killed it.

Horrible is way to harsh a term basically its saying he was enbarassing and shit with a differnt word, he may of been poor i would say average to decent but i like him.

But horrible/disgrace embarassment whatever is just crap and he deserved his spot in the tean last week after his vfl performance and didnt disgrace himself with it, did all that was asked tackled chased, ran hard, held his man and yes i agree made a couple of errors

I never called him a disgrace, or an embarrassment, and I conceded that horrible was too strong a word. Are you reading my posts or just quoting them and then repeating yourself?

And Stanley and Reid wouldn't need to play on Pettifer or Brown, because if they were in the side than Anthony could move down back, where he is being groomed for, and do those jobs. The only reason Anthony was used up forward is because it's unlikely Toovey could have done it. If Anthony was used in his natural defensive role, he would have equalled or improved upon Toovey's performance today - I'm quite confident of that.

Again, my point was not specifically about how BAD Toovey was, but that we can and should play better players than Toovey in our side.

 

[ChipDouglas]

Exactly, Jamie Turner 1990 premiership player anyone?

Jamie Turner in the same class as Toovey WTF!!! Played a rock solid half back and wing, shocking call.

 

[Thommo 42]

I never called him a disgrace, or an embarrassment, and I conceded that horrible was too strong a word. Are you reading my posts or just quoting them and then repeating yourself?

And Stanley and Reid wouldn't need to play on Pettifer or Brown, because if they were in the side than Anthony could move down back, where he is being groomed for, and do those jobs. The only reason Anthony was used up forward is because it's unlikely Toovey could have done it. If Anthony was used in his natural defensive role, he would have equalled or improved upon Toovey's performance today - I'm quite confident of that.

Again, my point was not specifically about how BAD Toovey was, but that we can and should play better players than Toovey in our side.

FYI, Toovey debuted against the Tiges and kicked 3 goals

But i essentially agree that Toovey was probably a poor selection, JA in the backline and Stanners into the midfield rotation would have been my selection.

 

[DanGerous]

Jamie Turner in the same class as Toovey WTF!!! Played a rock solid half back and wing, shocking call.

Who said same class? I didn't make a comparison, we were talking about servicable players contributing to a premiership.

Was bagged constantly by the same supporters in a Lonie like fashion week in week out, never more than servicable but not as bad as everyone made out and contributed to the ultimate prize.

 

[HFF]

He wasn't an embarrassment by any stretch but was probably one of our 'worst' for the day- considering that we controlled the game all day.

I was actually quite impressed at times with his attack on the ball and his confidence to back himself and take a few of them on, showing a change of pace I thought he didn't really have. Also some of his disposals were solid too.

Having said that, Goldy, should be included next week at Toovey's expense.

 

[ChipDouglas]

Who said same class? I didn't make a comparison, we were talking about servicable players contributing to a premiership.

Was bagged constantly by the same supporters in a Lonie like fashion week in week out, never more than servicable but not as bad as everyone made out and contributed to the ultimate prize.

I wouldn't categorize Toovey as servicable in the way Turner was. He would have played over 150 games as a solid wing or halffback and I can't see Toovey getting to the 20 game mark. And I was just a teenager at the time so the memory may be a little hazy but I can't recall Turner being bagged in a Lonie or Egan like fashion.

 

[DanGerous]

I wouldn't categorize Toovey as servicable in the way Turner was. He would have played over 150 games as a solid wing or halffback and I can't see Toovey getting to the 20 game mark. And I was just a teenager at the time so the memory may be a little hazy but I can't recall Turner being bagged in a Lonie or Egan like fashion.

I wasn't making a comparison. I was agreeing that servicable players can contribute to premierships. And believe me, Turner copped heaps for years before 1990.

 

[Thommo 42]

I wouldn't categorize Toovey as servicable in the way Turner was. He would have played over 150 games as a solid wing or halffback and I can't see Toovey getting to the 20 game mark. And I was just a teenager at the time so the memory may be a little hazy but I can't recall Turner being bagged in a Lonie or Egan like fashion.

only due to the lack of internet forums!

 

[AtomicCounty]

didn't bother reading the whole thread cause most people have nfi when it comes to football. not once today did he butcher the ball, to the extent that some seem to think and he never got legitimately beaten in a 1-1 contest.

most likely he will be droped for goldy, but not cause he was an embarassment.

the player i'm worried about is pendles. triple m say he might have op and i feel he has also lost his clean handling of the ball. might need a spell in a forward pocket and work his way into a game.

 

[shawthing09]

What worries me

Is the decision to play Toovey over stanley. While Toovey was not terrible today I think he has shown previously that he is not up to AFL standard and once again today while been o.k didn't really do anything to change that feeling that his just below the standard. Stanley has also been a consistant VFL preformer and was in the best last week, and has had no where near the same amount of oppertunities as Toovey. His first game against a rampaging robbo was tough, his second against sydney i thought was pretty good. He is clearly the type of player we need to hope comes on for us as he is a type of player we are / will be light on for. I am struggling to see why we played a player who is clearly no more then a gap fill for us ahead of him

 

[The Octagon]

Hmm i thought he was better today than he was in the latter stages of last season. Having said that, i still wouldnt have thought he would be in the top 30-35 at the club. Surely everyone cringes like i do when he has the ball in his hands/is near the vicinity of the ball?

Im not into bagging my teams players, but i definitely think he will be delisted at the end of the season. I agree with Vinnie_Vegas that there are plenty of more players ahead of him.
Id rather Ryan Lonie(I know ill get pasted for saying that but his footskills are alot better)/Brodie Holland/Stanley/Cook/Cox/McCarthy/Reid/Anthony/Marty Clarke/Sam Iles/Sharrod Wellingham play instead of Toovey. Harsh i know, but i reckon he is behind every one of those players.

 

[The Octagon]

Re: What worries me

Stanley is probably the unluckiest player on the list at the moment. Very consistent at VFL level (Which is a lot more contested than AFL), and in his previous AFL games was played out of position. He is probably one of my favourite playerson the list (Early i know but i like the way he attacks the ball) , but he never gets an opportunity when a guy like Toovey does.

 

[DanGerous]

Id rather Ryan Lonie(I know ill get pasted for saying that but his footskills are alot better)/Brodie Holland/Stanley/Cook/Cox/McCarthy/Reid/Anthony/Marty Clarke/Sam Iles/Sharrod Wellingham play instead of Toovey. Harsh i know, but i reckon he is behind every one of those players.

Well then those players can just earn it the way Toovey has, they don't get a free ride into the seniors just because we prefer how they play or think they have more potential.

Toovey was BOG in Magoos last week, he earnt it, if those other players want in then they will just have to play better than him!

 

[smiddaz123]

Re: What worries me

Story goes that Mick insisted on drafting Toovey, even though Hine didn't think we should.

I think Mick still wants to justify his pick.

 

[The Octagon]

Yeah fair enough they have to earn the spots available in the 1s, but guys like Stanley, Clarke, Holland etc whom are consistently in the best for the reserves and are overlooked, and Toovey has a good game and then promoted is a little disappointing. But if Toovey is one of our worst on the list we are in a strong position i think.

 

[Rohan25]

Re: What worries me

Story goes that Mick insisted on drafting Toovey, even though Hine didn't think we should.

I think Mick still wants to justify his pick.

Who said that?

 

[The Octagon]

Re: What worries me

He was an AA u/18 wasnt he? So he must of at least shown something in the Carnival at least. But i still dont like him playing instead of a few other guys ive listed in another thread..