Opinion Top 5 Most Overrated Players Of All Time

[krisholio14]

I thought your defence back then was OK with Lindner, Bos, Darcy S.Hocking and co.

Not sure how old you are, but you can't have seen too many more games than the 1989 GF going on this sentence.

 

[Monkey King]

Look I've expressed my opinion and my reasons more than once, like I've always said there are plenty of other greats that have been mentioned in this Overrated List that aren't getting the same flack.

At a guess, I'd say it's mostly because your reasoning is pretty lame. Perhaps I've missed something, but all I've seen are references to him not winning a flag (wtf?) and more recently, pointing out his poor training habits.

I just don't see how these make the player himself overrated and think that an opinion built on such lame reasoning must be equally as lame ... and when I look at it, I find that from my POV it really does match that pattern.

 

[BowWow1978]

Play Footy did we sunshine ? It's not the NBA where 1 player can have a massive influence , there's 18 on the park so the opportunity for a player to "drag the team over the line" consistently is virtually impossible - particularly in the modern era.
As far as Ablett Snr is concerned any discerning judge would have him in the top 5 of all time , with either him or Matthews as arguably the best of all time.

Clearly you didn't watch a bloke named W. Carey - he dragged his team over the line continually.

 

[BowWow1978]

All Time Top5
1. Jonothan Brown- The media love for this bloke was out of control from halfway through the 01 season & continued on ever since. He played a minor role in 3 flags & the reputation has just snowballed from there. In one of those years he kicked 14 goals from 19 games!! Had a couple of good years in 07-08 but no other years have been close to matching reputation. His finals reputation is massively overblown as is his leadership which seems to get more overated the more games he misses. Brisbanes been a basket case since he became captain yet he gets off the hook.
2. Gary Lyon- This bloke somehow became a Melbourne legend by having a solid career. He was another lauded for his leadership yet for most of his time as captain Melbourne were woeful. Had a lot of injuries, famously (thanks to the Footy Show) broke his leg early in his career then suffered from back problems from the mid 90s but it he was no superstar to begin with. His media profile is huge & he uses it on gameday to pot blokes for seemingly pulling out & pumping up his favourites. Listening to him you'd think he was the 5 day 5 night premiership player Brereton but really he was just a good footballer, nowhere near champion status.
3. Micheal Long- Could've been anything as he had looked to have finally found the consistency he was lacking during the 93 finals series. Sadly did his knee in a practice match the following year & came back brilliantly in 95 only to do it again in 96 & 97. Came back nowhere near the player after these injuries however if you listen to a lot of Essendon fans you'd think he was an all time great. People seem to mix up what he tried to for aboriginals while playing, which kept his profile up, with what he was doing on field, which post 95 wasn't a lot. He had occasional great games & moments in those years but if he wasn't Micheal Long, doing his best for his people, he would've played a lot of reserves footy. He didn't achieve enough to earn his place in the HOF, which is meant to be based on on-field deeds.
4. John Worsfold- A West Coast Great? Had about as much ability as Nick Maxwell who seemed to have a glod pass to do what he liked on-field & get away with it. Managed to break Richard Osbournes jaw in the final moments of a SOO game & had no case to answer. The tough guy image was built on belting young blokes most of the time & even the day he got Dermie the play was dead with Dermie standing still. Brave effort Woosha. Bounced off Ablett & Millane when he tried to take them on which was quite funny to watch. The highlight of his career was getting dropped for a final, Malthouse finally realising the other West Coast backmen had been carrying him for years.
5. Gavin Brown- A good solid player, no more, no less, Collingwood fans & to a lesser extent, the media,made him out to be some sort of football god. Had above average courage, good hands & solid skills although his kicking lacked penetration, that was it. Many games in the early to mid 90s I saw this guy strut around the field but not do a hell of a lot but the media always had his back telling us how he was playing injured. In reality he was a poor mans Mark Harvey. Came out of the 1990 GF with his reputation intact despite belting Sporn & copping 3 weeks for it. Another player whose place in the HOF can be questioned.


Current Top 5
1. Jonothan Brown- See above.
2. Chris Dawes- Just a big body on the ground who does nowhere near enough for a bloke his size. Drops a lot of marks but it gets called 'bringing the ball to ground'. All the talk of what he'd be worth on the open market during the year was laughable, 500K for a player like that? No way. Collingwood should've traded him off while he was 'hot' & get the high draft pick/s he is supposedly worth because he won't have a very long career. His GF was very poor.
3. Robert Murphy- He's a bit left of centre & the media, particuarly The Age who publish his stupid pieces, love him. Just cruises around half back doing what he wants to do & doesn't really seem to care much for what happens to the team, as long as his stats are ok all is good. AA selection this year was probably pushed hard by his mate Darcy.
4. Nic Natinui- Just pure media hype at this stage. The gap between his best & worst is just massive but because he can do something brilliant in his poor games he rarely gets criticised. The whole thing about him still learning the game gets a bit much too, he's probably been playing the game in some form since he was in primary school so even though he's now in the AFL he does no what he's meant to do when he has the ball & what to do when he hasn't. He's no Irishman, he's grown up with the game.
5. Tom Hawkins- May seem a bit of a strange choice due to his form in the finals this year but thats the point. He's still got a lot to prove at the start of the year & given his history theres every possibilty he will return to his disapointing way. A lot of people are just assuming that he will become the star he was mooted to be when he was first picked up. I hope he does, he seems like a good bloke & I wish him no harm but I think he still has a lot to prove. He could just as easy be playing VFL by r.8 as have 30 goals to his name. Will be interesting to see how he goes this year.

100% agree, on both lists.

 

[Monkey King]

Clearly you didn't watch a bloke named W. Carey - he dragged his team over the line continually.

Yeah-nah. Saw Ablett do that often enough too, but Carey didn't do it GF's either mate, so sorry; he must be an overrated player too according to pacman's theory.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

Clearly you didn't watch a bloke named W. Carey - he dragged his team over the line continually.

Nah mate , Carey was a superstar but he was playing in a very handy team , take 4 or 5 of those guys out and see how much of a matchwinner he would have been.

 

[BowWow1978]

Yeah-nah. Saw Ablett do that often enough too, but Carey didn't do it GF's either mate, so sorry; he must be an overrated player too according to pacman's theory.

Carey consistent in Finals:

94 prelim final

Carey 6goals, 14 marks of which 10 were contested

95 Qualifying final

25 possessions 5 goals

96 Finals from wiki

Carey again a stand out in all three finals games, including the Grand Final against Sydney, where he was runner-up to Glenn Archer in Norm Smith Medal voting. He averaged 11 marks, 23 disposals and 2.3 goals during the finals

97 Qualifying Final against Geelong.

In a low scoring game, played in very wet conditions, Carey was dominant with 10 marks and 23 disposals. He also kicked 7 goals and created two others, in a team total of 11 goals. It was a performance that Mike Sheahan named Carey's best in the book 'The Australian Game of Football', released in 2008.

98 Qualifying Final

5 goals 24 possessions

99 Qualifying Final

11 marks, 24 disposals and 6 goals in one of his greatest finals performances

GF Performances
1996 - 1 Goal
1998 - 1 Goal
1999 - 2 Goals

Maybe he didn't score the goals in the GF's that Ablett did, but we all know there is more to playing a good game than just scoring goals. 1996 is case in point, only 1 goal but he was second best on ground that day.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

Nah mate , Carey was a superstar but he was playing in a very handy team , take 4 or 5 of those guys out and see how much of a matchwinner he would have been.

North Melbournes whole gameplan was to kick it to Carey. What are you on about? He was often the sole reason they won games.

Anyway, you're entitled to your opinion, but most people hold Carey a level above Ablett and I am definitely one of them.

 

[BowWow1978]

Nah mate , Carey was a superstar but he was playing in a very handy team , take 4 or 5 of those guys out and see how much of a matchwinner he would have been.

Yeah and if your Auntie was called Fred, she'd be your uncle. North had some good teams and some so so teams during Carey's time. All I know is I remember being at game after game and when the moment came for a player to stand up and win the game off his own boot, you could rely on Carey to take the mark and kick the goal to do it. Quotes like yours above only expose your ignorance.

 

[Monkey King]

Maybe he didn't score the goals in the GF's that Ablett did, but we all know there is more to playing a good game than just scoring goals. 1996 is case in point, only 1 goal but he was second best on ground that day.

But Carey didn't "drag his team over the line" in a GF; he didn't even match Ablett's 89' GF performance, so surely he must be overrated right? And while he might not have had training issues, he was pretty damn selfish with the Stevens affair that threw North into crisis.

Look seriously, all these comments are completely tongue in cheek. I'm not having a shot at Carey in any way, I'm just using him as an example how this kind of reasoning makes little sense.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

Yeah and if your Auntie was called Fred, she'd be your uncle. North had some good teams and some so so teams during Carey's time. All I know is I remember being at game after game and when the moment came for a player to stand up and win the game off his own boot, you could rely on Carey to take the mark and kick the goal to do it. Quotes like yours above only expose your ignorance.

Possible I'm ignorant WRT Kangaroos but surely if the Team wasn't good enough to support the Pagans paddock and get it to him then the point is moot. My point is AFL is such a game that one superstar can't drag his team over the line on a consistent basis. I'm not watering down the influence guys like Carey , Ablett , Lockett , Judd etc can have and they will win ( or seem to ) games off their own boot but the reverse will occur as well - Abletts > 100 goal seasons didn't drag the Cats to glory - as a matter of fact sometimes we lost - 14 goals against Essendon anyone?
Successful teams unite with a common mission , tremendous work ethic , culture and game plan - superstars are the icing on the cake and aren't always necessary for team success.
Maybe you should take off the rose coloured glasses ?

 

[chefmeister]

Most of the players listed in this thread are regarded as absolute top tier champs of the sport. Go figure.

Here are some truly overrated names;

Campbell Brown
Daniel Kerr
Alan Jackovich
Stewart Loewe
Nic Naitanui
Wayne Campbell
Jeff Farmer
Alan Didak

 

[pacman]

Possible I'm ignorant WRT Kangaroos but surely if the Team wasn't good enough to support the Pagans paddock and get it to him then the point is moot. My point is AFL is such a game that one superstar can't drag his team over the line on a consistent basis. I'm not watering down the influence guys like Carey , Ablett , Lockett , Judd etc can have and they will win ( or seem to ) games off their own boot but the reverse will occur as well - Abletts > 100 goal seasons didn't drag the Cats to glory - as a matter of fact sometimes we lost - 14 goals against Essendon anyone?
Successful teams unite with a common mission , tremendous work ethic , culture and game plan - superstars are the icing on the cake and aren't always necessary for team success.
Maybe you should take off the rose coloured glasses ?

Nicely put.

 

[vWestCoast]

Most of the players listed in this thread are regarded as absolute top tier champs of the sport. Go figure.

Here are some truly overrated names;

Campbell Brown
Daniel Kerr
Alan Jackovich
Stewart Loewe
Nic Naitanui
Wayne Campbell
Jeff Farmer
Alan Didak

How is Kerr overrated? IMO he is underrated, obviously we all have different opinions so am interested as to how he is overrated? He got 30 disposals against you in the Prelim and won us a game against Carlton to get there.

Once again, how is Nic Naitanui overrated? Sure he is over hyped and the media jizz no matter what he does but does that make him overrated? Who is better than him at the role he does which is as a back up ruckman? No matter the age who? He's still so young and is the best tap ruckman in the AFL and the best back up ruck around. Hate when people call him overrated. He also played a great game against you in the Prelim.

However agree so much on Didak and Farmer.

 

[chefmeister]

Kerr is overrated due to the fact he fell in a hole once Judd & Cousins left yet the WA media and fans and WCE still continued to beat his drum for years as if he was the true champion of the 3 whilst he had little impact on games.
It's natural to do so but it was mainly because he was all you had left and was being used as more of a symbol of hope rather than substance.

Injuries aside he has done little since those days (the AA in '07 was mostly due to Cox giving him first touch & making him look good) and 1 or 2 flashy games don't explain the hype he is given in the west.
Being sometimes touted as the most important player to the WCE is massive overrating considering he's never won any individual accolades at the club.

You pretty much answered yourself on Naitanui with the over hype he gets but add to that his inability to impact entire games consecutively and you'd have to agree again that 1 or 2 flashes of brilliance don't live up to the legendary status he's already being given.

That's what I define as overrated, but these are just my opinions.

 

[Ktrain]

Re: Farmer - being left out of the indigenous team of the century when you were their then leading all time goals leader is hardly being over rated.

 

[vWestCoast]

Kerr is overrated due to the fact he fell in a hole once Judd & Cousins left yet the WA media and fans and WCE still continued to beat his drum for years as if he was the true champion of the 3 whilst he had little impact on games.
It's natural to do so but it was mainly because he was all you had left and was being used as more of a symbol of hope rather than substance.

Injuries aside he has done little since those days (the AA in '07 was mostly due to Cox giving him first touch & making him look good) and 1 or 2 flashy games don't explain the hype he is given in the west.
Being sometimes touted as the most important player to the WCE is massive overrating considering he's never won any individual accolades at the club.

You pretty much answered yourself on Naitanui with the over hype he gets but add to that his inability to impact entire games consecutively and you'd have to agree again that 1 or 2 flashes of brilliance don't live up to the legendary status he's already being given.

That's what I define as overrated, but these are just my opinions.

Cheers for explaining Do disagree with you on Kerr considering he was injured once Judd and Cousins left. So Hawkins only did good in the grand final because your midfield kicked it to him? Kerr loves getting him own ball but is one of the best on the end of a ruck tap.

 

[pacman]

Kerr is overrated due to the fact he fell in a hole once Judd & Cousins left yet the WA media and fans and WCE still continued to beat his drum for years as if he was the true champion of the 3 whilst he had little impact on games.
It's natural to do so but it was mainly because he was all you had left and was being used as more of a symbol of hope rather than substance.

Injuries aside he has done little since those days (the AA in '07 was mostly due to Cox giving him first touch & making him look good) and 1 or 2 flashy games don't explain the hype he is given in the west.
Being sometimes touted as the most important player to the WCE is massive overrating considering he's never won any individual accolades at the club.

You pretty much answered yourself on Naitanui with the over hype he gets but add to that his inability to impact entire games consecutively and you'd have to agree again that 1 or 2 flashes of brilliance don't live up to the legendary status he's already being given.

That's what I define as overrated, but these are just my opinions.

Will be interesting when the Geelong mid stars retire and Joel is left all alone, wondering if his numbers drop off a little will he be overrated?

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

Will be interesting when the Geelong mid stars retire and Joel is left all alone, wondering if his numbers drop off a little will he be overrated?

We aren't a boom and bust Team - Joel won't be left alone. Our midfield stars will retire but we have a group of youngsters being developed and fashioned to follow in their footsteps as we speak. Cats are about defying gravity and succession planning.

 

[chefmeister]

Will be interesting when the Geelong mid stars retire and Joel is left all alone, wondering if his numbers drop off a little will he be overrated?

Oh wait, you're the Mayblooms supporter who had Selwood as #1 on you're overrated list with no real explanation as to why. Go figure.

Followed by another Geelong player, Ablett Snr with a small explanation of 0 flags as a reason but then went on to add Jonathan Brown who is a triple premiership player.

hahaha, nice try dopey. Now go suck another bucket...

 

[Monkey King]

Oh wait, you're the Mayblooms supporter who had Selwood as #1 on you're overrated list with no real explanation as to why. Go figure.

Probably Pelchen still trying to convince himself that Thorp was the right choice

 

[pacman]

We aren't a boom and bust Team - Joel won't be left alone. Our midfield stars will retire but we have a group of youngsters being developed and fashioned to follow in their footsteps as we speak. Cats are about defying gravity and succession planning.

There is definitely some good talent coming through at the Cats but I'd be very surprised if they can walk in to fill the shoes of Corey, Kelly, Bartel etc straight away.

 

[pacman]

Oh wait, you're the Mayblooms supporter who had Selwood as #1 on you're overrated list with no real explanation as to why. Go figure.

Followed by another Geelong player, Ablett Snr with a small explanation of 0 flags as a reason but then went on to add Jonathan Brown who is a triple premiership player.

hahaha, nice try dopey. Now go suck another bucket...

Must of hurt that's nice to know!
Jonathon Brown is one of my favourites to watch doesn't mean he's not over rated, you obviously don't understand the thread.

As I said before someone had Dunstall, Brereton & Franklin, whoopedoo it's someone elses opinion they think they were over rated it doesn't say they were shit players. Move on.

 

[chefmeister]

Must of hurt that's nice to know!
Jonathon Brown is one of my favourites to watch doesn't mean he's not over rated, you obviously don't understand the thread.

As I said before someone had Dunstall, Brereton & Franklin, whoopedoo it's someone elses opinion they think they were over rated it doesn't say they were shit players. Move on.

You listed Ablett Snr for one of three reasons... lol

Keep swallowing those buckets, or pills, or that bitter hate that Geelong has forced upon you, pacman...

 

[pacman]

You listed Ablett Snr for one of three reasons... lol

Keep swallowing those buckets, or pills, or that bitter hate that Geelong has forced upon you, pacman...

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Someone questions your opinions and you have a hissy fit and then take pot shots on someones opinion wow you really are a keyboard hero