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McBean from Richmond looks a handy forward ruck. I would try to get him.
Blokes that should be put up for trade
Suban
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Clarke (want him to stay, but I think hes gone)
Barlow (we all love him, love him a lot actually, but hes played out of position and hes impact on games is minimal because of it. Poor coaching to keep him out of the middle, if we're not going to put him in next year, trade him with a pick to move up in the draft/help us get Bennell/McCarthy)
Didn't put Duffy in that list because I think he'll be delisted and I think Deluca will be off our list within a year or two. Duffield might retire, is he out of contract? Crowley probably will. Barlow is the one for me that could help us in the trade period, although seeing as hes contracted I highly doubt we'll trade him.
Suban
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Clarke (want him to stay, but I think hes gone)
Barlow (we all love him, love him a lot actually, but hes played out of position and hes impact on games is minimal because of it. Poor coaching to keep him out of the middle, if we're not going to put him in next year, trade him with a pick to move up in the draft/help us get Bennell/McCarthy)
Didn't put Duffy in that list because I think he'll be delisted and I think Deluca will be off our list within a year or two. Duffield might retire, is he out of contract? Crowley probably will. Barlow is the one for me that could help us in the trade period, although seeing as hes contracted I highly doubt we'll trade him.
McCarthy is exactly what you have described imo.
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Why would we want to replace Clarke with Leunberger? It makes no sense. He will cost more (circa $450,000), is way less durable and is just as useless at playing as the 2nd ruck.
He wouldn't be coming over to Freo unless he was guaranteed a spot in our best 22, and with Sandilands locked in to play next year it would mean that we intend to play him as the resting forward/ 2nd ruck which he absolutely sucks at as he clearly demonstrated this year when he fulfilled that role alongside Stef Martin. If Clarke is happy to stay, but Freo are keen to pay extra to get Leunberger then I am seriously concerned about the clubs decision making with list management.
On to getting both Bennell and Cam McCarthy: Bennell, absolute best case scenario would cost only our first round pick (circa pick 18), where do you see us getting the 2 first rounders needed to acquire McCarthy with? He is contracted with GWS for 2 years, they hold all the bargaining power, if we don't offer them what he is worth (2 first rounders), then he will be going nowhere. I guess the obvious one would be trading Barlow to another club and on-trading the return (pick 10 or so) with next years first round pick for McCarthy and a 2nd rounder from GWS. Think it will be pretty hard to manufacture to be honest and it is obviously going to cost us a club favourite - don't expect us to secure them both without losing a much loved player + our first rounders from this year and next.
Also, operating on the premise that McCarthy is 193 cm as his player profile suggests. He is not going to offer much more than what Pav does. He is ideally a 2nd/3rd tall like Darling, and relies on getting his marks on the lead, not crashing packs and taking big marks and being able to bring the ball to ground. What our current gameplan really requires is a 200 cm behemoth like Tom Lynch from Gold Coast who can bring the ball to ground in the event that the mark doesn't stick and ensure that our inside 50's do not continue to be chewed up and spat out like they currently do. Pav was not big enough to do that in the current game, and McCarthy at 193 cm would not be able to do that either.
We unfortunately do not possess the precise kicking of Hawthorn when kicking the ball inside 50, so I cannot really see how McCarthy is going to change our fortunes that much on his own, as he is not really the pack crasher that we need at this point in time and won't really rectify the current albatross of being able to get the ball in the hands of our leading forwards.
He wouldn't be coming over to Freo unless he was guaranteed a spot in our best 22, and with Sandilands locked in to play next year it would mean that we intend to play him as the resting forward/ 2nd ruck which he absolutely sucks at as he clearly demonstrated this year when he fulfilled that role alongside Stef Martin. If Clarke is happy to stay, but Freo are keen to pay extra to get Leunberger then I am seriously concerned about the clubs decision making with list management.
On to getting both Bennell and Cam McCarthy: Bennell, absolute best case scenario would cost only our first round pick (circa pick 18), where do you see us getting the 2 first rounders needed to acquire McCarthy with? He is contracted with GWS for 2 years, they hold all the bargaining power, if we don't offer them what he is worth (2 first rounders), then he will be going nowhere. I guess the obvious one would be trading Barlow to another club and on-trading the return (pick 10 or so) with next years first round pick for McCarthy and a 2nd rounder from GWS. Think it will be pretty hard to manufacture to be honest and it is obviously going to cost us a club favourite - don't expect us to secure them both without losing a much loved player + our first rounders from this year and next.
Also, operating on the premise that McCarthy is 193 cm as his player profile suggests. He is not going to offer much more than what Pav does. He is ideally a 2nd/3rd tall like Darling, and relies on getting his marks on the lead, not crashing packs and taking big marks and being able to bring the ball to ground. What our current gameplan really requires is a 200 cm behemoth like Tom Lynch from Gold Coast who can bring the ball to ground in the event that the mark doesn't stick and ensure that our inside 50's do not continue to be chewed up and spat out like they currently do. Pav was not big enough to do that in the current game, and McCarthy at 193 cm would not be able to do that either.
We unfortunately do not possess the precise kicking of Hawthorn when kicking the ball inside 50, so I cannot really see how McCarthy is going to change our fortunes that much on his own, as he is not really the pack crasher that we need at this point in time and won't really rectify the current albatross of being able to get the ball in the hands of our leading forwards.
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We have tried that for virtually every key position player that has come on the market the last five years. Not many want to come over here even for good money.
You make good points.
I think Leuenberger's only advantage is that he is free as far as draft picks are concerned. With him in the squad we can trade away Clarke for a medium second round pick or better.
I also think Bennell may be available for a second round pick rather than a first. From what commentators are saying, his transgressions have not yet all been revealed. He is a risk. Worthwhile, in my opinion.
You are right, McCarthy is not Tom Lynch or Jesse Hogan, but while there is a possibility of getting him, we should explore the possibility. I still hold out hope for Apeness and Taberner next season too.
It actually makes perfect business sense.
Clarke didn't play and despite his potential has run his course at Freo. If he has any worth then get what we can for him and bring in Leunberger.
The net gain is what makes sense.
If Clarke can be packaged in any way that gets us McCarthy or Bennel then that is the big bonus.
Look at the Bulldogs - has part sorted their key position woes by getting an in betweener in Stringer. "In-betweener" Power Forwards are the go at the moment in some of the top sides (West Coast, Hawthorn, Bulldogs) - thats what we need!
Get McCarthy and Bennell. Really against Bennell a few weeks ago and still am, but of there's no risk there's no reward.
If we manage to get both those guys whilst losing Clarke, 2 first rounders and a 2nd or 3rd round pick we've done well for ourselves.
Bennell for a 2nd/ 3rd round pick (if he nominates us)
McCarthy for 2 firsts and Clarke
If we manage to get both those guys whilst losing Clarke, 2 first rounders and a 2nd or 3rd round pick we've done well for ourselves.
Bennell for a 2nd/ 3rd round pick (if he nominates us)
McCarthy for 2 firsts and Clarke
The club should be open to trading at this point. For Freo' to remain relevant some changes have to happen. It's not like Freo haven't tried to land KPF talent over the last few years either. It remains very difficult for the club to attract the talent from over east. Players such as Podsiadly and recently Schulz for example that could've come her but haven't. Cloke used Freo' to raise his contract price with Collingwood - not the first player to do so.
In a parallel universe Freo' trade in McCarthy and Hogan and possibly Leuenburger, Jetta and Bennell this post season. Won't be this universe unfortunately.
The club has to be open to the idea of trading aggressively to address the lack of scoring power and the home truth that Freo cannot currently defeat Hawthorn.
In a parallel universe Freo' trade in McCarthy and Hogan and possibly Leuenburger, Jetta and Bennell this post season. Won't be this universe unfortunately.
The club has to be open to the idea of trading aggressively to address the lack of scoring power and the home truth that Freo cannot currently defeat Hawthorn.
I think Rosich admitted in his interview, that we have been so hell bent on not paying overs for people, and sticking to our list model, we may have lost sight of the objective. Clearly the landscape is changing, and you need to pay overs for a kpp..
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Not that I heard. He said that we're not sticking to our policy of keeping our first round picks this time around. He also said that some conversations are advanced, so I presume we are close to some new signings.
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I wonder if Schoenmakers might become available after next week, if he is dropped to allow Gunston back in the side, that could be the final straw after missing the last two Grand Finals and his contract expiring this year. Maybe he might look elsewhere. We could do a straight swap using Z. Clarke, the Hawks will need to replace Hale at the end of the season.
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Disagree completely on Leunberger. IMO he is a significantly better ruckman than Clarke. Watch the game he played against us this year if you dont agree. That was a better game than Clarke has played in the last three years by a long margin IMO. He also dominated in the next few rounds when Martin was out, demonstrating he could clearly lead the ruck given the opportunity. While in the next year or two Sandy will still be playing the majority of the ruck time I think if we had Leunberger we could rest Sandy forward for longer period in a game. If McCarthy is recruited as the leading target then Sandy playing more forward as a get out long option makes sense. Leunberger is a long way from being a brilliant contested mark when playing forward, but he also doesnt get outmarked as much as the forward playing version of Clarke.
When Sandy retires we then have a lead ruckman to takeover without even giving up a draft pick.
The fact that we have an opportunity to also trade Clarke to me means it is a fantastic business choice to recruit Leunberger IMO.
On the topic of McCarthy and what we need to trade for him then I think it has to link in with what GWS needs for their academy players. If it takes two first rounders (2015 and 2016) and one second round pick next year then so be it. There is simply no other way we can guarantee a decent forward will be recruited to the club.
To get Bennell as well I think we actually have to look at trading a player. Barlow stands out to me as an obvious choice, but Im sure Ill get shot down for suggesting we trade him. The fact is that if Barlow was traded to the Gold Coast he would benefit greatly from the channge in clubs. He would be able to again play in his best position, almost certainly he would earn more money and extend his career. Gold Coast would benefit from having an extractor in the middle and a fantastic role model for their younger players.
If he stays at Fremantle I think it will only be a matter of time before he is replaced by Blakely (Perhaps as early as next year). If Richmond and North are as keen to get Bennell as some say, then it might even take the trade of Clarke to the Bulldogs for their second pick to get the deal done, but Id still make the trade. Passing on the chance to recruit a player like Bennell presents a much greater risk to our future success then offerring a player in the last three years of his career IMO.
If we get Leunberger, Bennell and McCarthy for Clarke, Barlow, two first round and one second round pick then I think we will be in contention again next year, while still recruiting players with plenty of football ahead of them.
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Unfortunately they have a really decent ruckman in Ceglar waiting in the wings. But a three way deal involving the Bulldogs second pick might be an option.
GilG
All Australian
We should've started trading aggressively after the 2012 season and kept at it.
Scott Gumbleton wasn't the missing piece. Colin Sylvia went missing and was a piece of...well, you all get it. Hope we start an era of McCarthyism, take a ride on a Harley and test drive a Jetta.
He did. But he should have played yesterday anyway:
10 seconds into the game Mitchell gone -> 10 weeks who cares?
20 seconds in the game Hodge gone -> 10 weeks who cares?
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2 minutes into the game: 16 against 22. Freo win by 100+.
Sylvia could have been part of the missing piece if he wasn't such a twat.
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