List Mgmt. Trade: Allen Christensen traded to Brisbane in exchange for National Draft selection no. 21

[MC Extra Dollop]

Yep, that's why we have so many pages dedicated to this trade.

I'll put it to you this way, a few posters have been how great the club has been in letting him go,
to the club of his choice, without a whimper. Yet we are picking them up on quotation marks......

Give me a break.

I'm not exactly sure what you're arguing. Clearly some supporters on here feel the same way I do, that unnecessary quotation marks are code for 'complete bullshit', which totally contradicts what Balme has apparently said. It wouldn't have been that hard to take the high road. Our last premiership team contained 13 players that were drafted later than pick 21. You accept his reasons, wish him all the best, move on and try to draft a better player with pick 21. Because it really doesn't matter what his reasons are, he doesn't want to play for Geelong anymore.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

A few pages back people were talking about Bundy doing a "Wayne Carey" on Lonergan. Unlikely given his brothers comments.

Odds of about $1.02 that it was someone who has no clue and has just seen the recent trade winds, put two and two together and come up with five.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Why would you NOT close your social media accounts if all you're going to get is pages of posts and tweets from people you don't know, cluttering up your account? I don't think anyone here would be able to deal with the incoming abuse, threats, etc.- just remember, at least some of the stuff that would be posted would be outright abuse and very distasteful. Not everyone has to play by the same rules as the people on BF do.

I'd probably go the Bartel/Enright road and not have a Twitter account to start with, personally.

 

[steady2]

Im glad the club has shown a strong culture if you dont want to be here then we will trade you, the club is bigger than the player, you only have to look at the dogs to see why you need a strong culture that players adhere by.

The dogs are sitting 15th on the ladder for the third year in succession their captain just did a 'Bundy' and their coach has resigned, does not seem to much of a strong culture to me. There must be a balance between the professional needs of players and the interests of the club. After winning the premiership in 2007 with a team chock full of elite players they apparently had a pact to stay together and spurn all attempts to entice them for more money elsewhere (until Gaz broke the pact), many of those players were underpaid and remained underpaid for years. Strong club culture combined with on-field success can hold players together.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Maybe he wanted to attract attention to that phrase to emphasise that the reason that Bundy is leaving is 'personal' which, to me, means 'private'. I don't see how you can work out Balme's opinion from a bolded phrase or the use of quotation marks. I think Balme is too much of a professional to have a dig at any AFL player- ex-Geelong or otherwise- in this manner.

I'm not working out Balme's opinion from that; I'm working out Balme's opinion from what he has actually said.

To quote The Age and our website - “There were many things involved with Allen’s situation and we just had to help him as much as possible.” Balme said on the Cats' website."

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...4-day-eight-20141013-3hvhs.html#ixzz3Fzt0cIRX

As for using quotation marks to attract attention, well, it's a 31 word post. If they're worried about not maintaining our interest over 31 words (especially when the news is something of a bombshell), maybe they should focus on making more interesting posts. They could have even left the "...'for personal reasons'..." out, it adds nothing to the news and just fuels speculation.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

If the rumours are true then Bundy had best think the next time he starts banging any chicks, otherwise in a couple of years he'll be requesting to be traded to the West Coast Eagles. The man has no courage to face his problems, running away is his thing it seems. I think when he had the operation earlier in the year they removed his backbone, because he's acting like a coward. Not Geelong Football Club material. I'm sure the club did the right thing by him, shame he has no class to do the right thing by the club. Gutless prick.

And if the rumours aren't true?

 

[Teriyakicat]

I'd probably go the Bartel/Enright road and not have a Twitter account to start with, personally.

likewise!

 

[TheJimmyCartel]

Nobody can do a 'Wayne Carey' without the consent of the 'missus'....
It takes two to tango.

True but it's still his decision to dog a mate.

ps. not suggesting there is any truth to it but there is no excuse for shagging another mate's girl.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

And if the rumours aren't true?

Its the facts I don't like about it. Not the rumours.

Screwed us. If Beams goes for 5 and 25 and a player, we could easily have got a low teens pick for him. He had his reasons, OK. But how convenient he refused to sign. Sure planned well in advance. Had us over a barrel and we would have to cut our nose off to spite our face to do any thing else but roll over.

He doesn't want to play with Geelong, but it doesn't mean he has to screw the club as well.

 

[vinum coupe]

Its the facts I don't like about it. Not the rumours.

Screwed us. If Beams goes for 5 and 25 and a player, we could easily have got a low teens pick for him. He had his reasons, OK. But how convenient he refused to sign. Sure planned well in advance. Had us over a barrel and we would have to cut our nose off to spite our face to do any thing else but roll over.

He doesn't want to play with Geelong, but it doesn't mean he has to screw the club as well.

If it was planned a long time ago he would have told the club a few weeks ago. Not 1/2 way through trade week.

 

[Partridge]

True but it's still his decision to dog a mate.

ps. not suggesting there is any truth to it but there is no excuse for shagging another mate's girl.

I'd argue what the rumours are speculating on occurs at every single football club.

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

Will be very interesting to see the reception he gets from Cats players when they go at it - might tell us a little bit.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

If it was planned a long time ago he would have told the club a few weeks ago. Not 1/2 way through trade week.

Nothing in particular, just keep the options and wait for someone to ring your manager. When he wouldn't sign, I'm pretty sure he didn't tell Geelong those plans.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Its the facts I don't like about it. Not the rumours.

Screwed us. If Beams goes for 5 and 25 and a player, we could easily have got a low teens pick for him. He had his reasons, OK. But how convenient he refused to sign. Sure planned well in advance. Had us over a barrel and we would have to cut our nose off to spite our face to do any thing else but roll over.

He doesn't want to play with Geelong, but it doesn't mean he has to screw the club as well.

The facts are, apparently, that Christensen was (incredibly) out of contract and wanted to go to another club. That's all we know. And unless there's something wrong with those facts, the club has screwed itself by not locking Christensen in with a new contract sometime in the past 12 months. Beams was under contract for 2015. If no deal was reached, he could not play for any AFL team, besides Collingwood, in 2015. If no deal was reached with Christensen, he would go in the national/preseason draft and we would not be eligible for any compensation (since he's been an AFL player for less than seven years).

I'm still amazed that he was coming out of contract this season and yet we didn't hear/read a word about any negotiations.

 

[BC__]

Alot of talk for a player that hasn't really shown much. Fair enough he hasn't been on the pitch alot.

 

[CatFan79]

I'm still amazed that he was coming out of contract this season and yet we didn't hear/read a word about any negotiations.

It's a smart move to hold back talks if you want out. Nothing the club can do about it. A part of me wishes we told Brisbane to eat shit and let Bundy get picked up by St Kilda in the draft.

Whether its gambling debts or a pregnant skank he's running from, it's not gonna get any better in Brisbane.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Im glad the club has shown a strong culture if you dont want to be here then we will trade you, the club is bigger than the player, you only have to look at the dogs to see why you need a strong culture that players adhere by.

That's one way of looking at it. But if this was happening at another club, the reason for leaving was dubious (at best) and Christensen was signed for 2015 (say it was pretty much the Dogs situation with Griffen), I'd applaud that club for digging its heels in and saying 'Stuff you. You're playing here next year. And if you want to sook about it, you can spend the year kicking the dew off in the reserves. We don't care if we get anything for you or not; we're doing this out of principle.' Because I reckon once a couple of clubs finally stand up and do that, players will start becoming a bit more circumspect about demanding trades when they are under contract. But it's easy to say that when it's not your club that's involved and possibly losing a top 20-25 draft pick for sticking to its guns.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

It's a smart move to hold back talks if you want out. Nothing the club can do about it. A part of me wishes we told Brisbane to eat shit and let Bundy get picked up by St Kilda in the draft.

But my point is, we didn't hear anything about talks being on hold, or even him being out of contract in the media. In fact, I'm pretty sure he signed last year, which means it must have only been a one-year deal (which should have caused some alarm bells to begin with, since he had a good 2013). With all the speculation that goes on about potential player movement during the season, I just wonder why his name was never mentioned as a potential target for other teams.

 

[thegerman]

The facts are, apparently, that Christensen was (incredibly) out of contract and wanted to go to another club. That's all we know. And unless there's something wrong with those facts, the club has screwed itself by not locking Christensen in with a new contract sometime in the past 12 months. Beams was under contract for 2015. If no deal was reached, he could not play for any AFL team, besides Collingwood, in 2015. If no deal was reached with Christensen, he would go in the national/preseason draft and we would not be eligible for any compensation (since he's been an AFL player for less than seven years).

I'm still amazed that he was coming out of contract this season and yet we didn't hear/read a word about any negotiations.

Clubs often put talks on hold with those that they have an in principal agreement with. Especially when there has been no inkling about leaving.

This is so they can chase players in the trade period. What Allen did was to play the game and Geelong against their own trust in him.

I bet they won't do that again.

 

[SJ]

Alot of talk for a player that hasn't really shown much. Fair enough he hasn't been on the pitch alot.

Averages 20 touches and almost a goal a game after 65 matches. Not many players do that.

But I think the bigger cost is not his loss but his loss to Geelong as a team. Our midfield is relatively weak and requires more players coming into the 23-28 year old bracket. Losing one of the few about to come into the sweet spot is going to really hurt.

 

[GFrost]

Can someone clear something up for me. How can clubs know what money etc will be available until after the trade period? For example wasn't there some situation where the terms of Joel Selwood's contract in financial terms depended on whether Ablett left or stayed?
Eg: Club and player agree that they will receive X amount if superstar stays, and XX amount if superstar leaves. As these things can't be known until the end of trade week, wouldn't it be common to have contracts that are agreed to "in principle" but not signed until after trade week is finalised.

 

[Partridge]

I'm still amazed that he was coming out of contract this season and yet we didn't hear/read a word about any negotiations.

I'm not. The lustre of the Scott / Balme combination has well and truly worn off for me. There seems to be an idea that all things at the club are run professionally and diligently at all times. Perhaps it's time to revisit that.

I said it as soon as the season finished: I'm adopting the null hypothesis. Whether it's contract negotiations, draft deals, player signings, or how good player X is going to be, I'm withholding any opinions until evidence is provided.

 

[iameviljez]

Screwed us. If Beams goes for 5 and 25 and a player, we could easily have got a low teens pick for him.

Yes, but Beams was contracted so the Pies could play hard ball. We could not - he could have walked to Brisbane in the PSD, no sweat.

My understanding from the various articles is that the decision makers at the club have known about his issues for a while, and while he hadn't signed on the dotted line, you can't assume that he was definitely going to.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Clubs often put talks on hold with those that they have an in principal agreement with. Especially when there has been no inkling about leaving.

This is so they can chase players in the trade period. What Allen did was to play the game and Geelong against their own trust in him.

I bet they won't do that again.

If that's what happened in this case, Geelong deserves to lose Christensen. Would it play that game with Hawkins? Selwood? Taylor? I don't think so.

 

[Big Fozza]

gotta say i'm pretty disappointed that Bundy is leaving

BUT i don't begrudge him. He should have the right to live where he wants and ply his trade. If he is out of contract and wants to move to QLD then that's his right. tough to see it happening though after all the development put into him but that's the way it goes. happens all the time to other clubs. pick 21 isn't equal trade imo but it's better than nothing. if he was contracted then that would have been a whole different story. I would have preferred one of BNE's kids that has had a couple of preseasons underneath their belt.

i wish him all the best and in a few years if he is in good form i would welcome him back.