List Mgmt. Trade and F/A - 2017/2018

[Sunbot]

Pies trading desk strategy for Day 1

 

[Apex36]

He was terrible against Port but anyway

He held the AA ruckman to 31 (vs 25) hitouts and 9 disposals. Considering it was his first game ever as a primary ruck it was actually an impressive effort.

 

[Horaceg]

I like Wells coming in, and get 18 games from him next year, we could win 12 of those, thats the impact he has......Mayne has killed us. Its been only 1 year though, so hoping next year he just works his ass off and produces a stellar season. He has to, surely he knows what a huge flop he has been this year. The guy has the ability, he just looked shot for confidence and passion.

Agree, hope we get something out of him. If Fasolo goes (I don't think he will or want him to) there may be some opportunity there, a fit Elliott giving some attack up there, the role may just be there for Mayne.

 

[barrackers]

In terms of our cap:

It was $10.37 million in 2017 and clubs have to pay at least 95% ($9.85 mill).

Currently only White has gone off our list (guess 300k). Therefore to say we've only got 600k remaining means we actually paid less than the maximum in 2017? At around 300k or 97%.

On top of that the cap rises to $12.45 million next year. Obviously new contracts to Grundy etc eat into that, but I'm not buying we don't have the money to spend. Besides we can always front/back end contracts to accommodate a big name recruit if need be.

 

[wicksy]

Pies trading desk strategy for Day 1

Look at this Oxley... Isn't it just the greatest Oxley you've ever seen!?

 

[Boogy]

Schache, Cox, Moore, Grundy...
Grundy is good in ruck but where will fwd pressure come from?
Rather look for speed and X factor in draft.

 

[CarnMags]

What about 6+36 for Schache+18?

Yeah I think that is a really fair deal for both parties.
If it were to play out like that, we could hope to get Balta at 18

Brisbane get - Pick 6 and 30 something and 1 or 2 players
Collingwood get - Pick 2 and Schache

Seriously ...?
You should go and work for Essendon's list management team.
That is outrageous.

 

[No SPIN]

They probably were at that point. GWS (and some Collingwood) fans were acting as if he was the Jesus of impact players at that point. What we've seen so far at Collingwood is a solid best 22 player who has been able to impact a few games, but hasn't been consistently brilliant. Id argue that Elliott is a way better impact player than WHE at this point, so I don't really see much wrong with that statement. (cbf going back to see who made it, if it was me then kudos to me).

If WHE was expected to be consistently brilliant, we would have paid a far higher price.
So consistent brilliance was not the benchmark, it was far lower, and still posters had doubts in the same way they are doubting Schache.

 

[Hardas]

Is it just me, but when people call into Trade radio and want to discuss Collingwood, whoever maybe the hosts give the impression they cant be bothered, and if they do discuss us its all doom and gloom. I even think Dwayne WTF Russell said players need to be careful about going to Collingwood!!!!
But if a Geelong, Hawthorn, Essendon etc supporter calls in, the hosts go into depth and sound excited talking about those clubs.

Russell is shockingly biased.

 

[Seedsfan]

He held the AA ruckman to 31 (vs 25) hitouts and 9 disposals. Considering it was his first game ever as a primary ruck it was actually an impressive effort.

There is a lot more to playing in the ruck than hit outs

 

[Stoods]

I called trade radio earlier and suggested we trade 6+36 for Schache and 12, they seem to think Brisbane wont want to get rid of 12, i think that's cr*p!

They would upgrade 6 spots and get rid of a player who doesn't want to be there and also gain pick 36 which is quite decent as well.

 

[Apex36]

If WHE was expected to be consistently brilliant, we would have paid a far higher price.
So consistent brilliance was not the benchmark, it was far lower, and still posters had doubts in the same way they are doubting Schahe.

I don't think anyone said the club expected that, the implication was that many BF posters, who have zero influence on a player's trade value, massively overrated him, and that was absolutely true. You're either unable to differentiate between the opinions of BF posters and the club, or you're trying to shift the goal posts here.

Still not sure why you're persisting with the apples and oranges comparison here. The question marks over these two players are completely different, as is the projected trade cost.

 

[Apex36]

I called trade radio earlier and suggested we trade 6+36 for Schache and 12, they seem to think Brisbane wont want to get rid of 12, i think that's cr*p!

They would upgrade 6 spots and get rid of a player who doesn't want to be there and also gain pick 36 which is quite decent as well.

Why would they accept an upgrade to 6 from 12 if they can keep 12 and still gain 6?

We'd have to offer a bigger incentive than pick 36 for them to part with 12.

 

[Hardas]

Beyond belief why you would sign a contract then want out a few months later. Terrible management, terrible thinking.

I'll pass.

From the outside, it looks like Brisbane making the best of a bad draft choice/situation.

And Schache was 'too tired' to play in the NEAFL GF - what the?

Be very wary.

A common comment I'm hearing today is: if Schache was in this draft, he'd be the best available tall.

I'm not sold on that as the argument for recruiting him.

 

[Mongo Ming]

I called trade radio earlier and suggested we trade 6+36 for Schache and 12, they seem to think Brisbane wont want to get rid of 12, i think that's cr*p!

They would upgrade 6 spots and get rid of a player who doesn't want to be there and also gain pick 36 which is quite decent as well.

You can often tell the team they have on Trade Radio just make their answers up out of thin air.

They pretty much have zero inside info and know FA about trading or players’ worth.

Think 18 coming back to us is more likely though and suits both parties.

 

[Enforcer]

Not sold on getting Schache for pick 6.

Has not developed as much as expected plus big questions around his committment to the game.

We have seen all too well the struggles with mental health issues amongst players.

Cannot image the pressure to succeed and meet the expecations of the club, supporters and family.

 

[saha]

Not sold on getting Schache for pick 6.

Has not developed as much as expected plus big questions around his committment to the game.

We have seen all too well the struggles with mental health issues amongst players.

Cannot image the pressure to succeed and meet the expecations of the club, supporters and family.

I question his aggression and ability to be resilient. I would prefer to take six to the draft

 

[Hardas]

That will make this Thread a Ton Smaller

And clearer.

 

[Buena]

I fully expect us to trade out our 2018 second round pick. We've traded a future second every year so far.

But I still reckon Schache and Brisbane's 2018 second round pick (expect to be 19 in a strong draft) for our pick 6.

I reckon Brisbane's 2nd round in 2018 will be 21 atleast. Can't see any chance of GC or North finishing above the Lions, who actually looked really good in the 2nd half of this season. would still be a handy pick to have

 

[Stoods]

Why would they accept an upgrade to 6 from 12 if they can keep 12 and still gain 6?

We'd have to offer a bigger incentive than pick 36 for them to part with 12.

They are mad if they think they can just get pick 6 for Schache, way overs

 

[Apex36]

There is a lot more to playing in the ruck than hit outs

Thanks for that Sherlock. If you want to just cherry pick poor performances (which weren't even really poor under the circumstances) then you really just invalidate any arguments you make.

Cox's last month of footy included holding Ryder to a reasonable level, dominating against Geelong in the ruck and impacting up forward, and playing a brilliant tandem game with Grundy against Melbourne. Talk it down as much as you want, but it doesn't change anything. Schache to this point hasnt produced anywhere near the sort of dominant performances that Cox had in those final two rounds in particular. He has youth on his side and a set of circumstances that might excuse him for this years performances, but arguing that he's been any more impressive than Cox on a pure performances is flat out wrong, regardless of any excuses you'll inevitably find to respond to this.

 

[TradeDraft]

They are mad if they think they can just get pick 6 for Schache, way overs

We be Stupid Enough to do it

 

[Chrispiesssss]

Pick 6 + 2018 2nd round pick for Schahe and pick 12.

I think that's fair.

 

[Apex36]

They are mad if they think they can just get pick 6 for Schache, way overs

Most Brisbane fans seem to feel that Schache and 18 or 19 for 6 is fair value and I tend to agree.

 

[No SPIN]

I don't think anyone said the club expected that, the implication was that many BF posters, who have zero influence on a player's trade value, massively overrated him, and that was absolutely true. You're either unable to differentiate between the opinions of BF posters and the club, or you're trying to shift the goal posts here.

Still not sure why you're persisting with the apples and oranges comparison here. The question marks over these two players are completely different, as is the projected trade cost.

Just to clarify, my point has been from my first post on this topic, that this is simply about talent versus exposed form in each case - both players have talent, and Schache is being doubted on exposed form as was WHE.
Looking beyond exposed form, to underlying talent, can be a problem for many.