List Mgmt. Trade and F/A - 2017/2018

[left at home]

If Tomlinson on the way out, what would we give up for him and where do people see were he plays for us

 

[Babylove]

Logically speaking that's certainly correct, but I'd like to clarify was there more context? He is a moron, but he could have said it in the context that we're a long way down the path with Thomlinson so we won't have the scope to do both deals.

On Schache please pass Collingwood! This guy is so trumped up on the back of his draft position which, IMO, was a talent ID issue. At best his value is in that 20-30 range based on what he did in 2016 and we aren't in a position to pay a premium based on past draft price and form from 12-18 months ago.

I saw it posted in the live blog on the Herald Sun website:

WHY THE PIES WON’T LAND SCHACHE

Matthew Lloyd has hosed down speculation Collingwood will be in the mix to sign Brisbane forward Josh Schache.

The Magpies clearly need a young key position forward to help Darcy Moore in attacking 50.

However, after signing the likes of Chris Mayne and Daniel Wells to big deals last year, Lloyd says the Magpies are out of money.

“I think the Collingwood (option) is a good one (for Schache) but they have got no money,” Lloyd said on Trade Radio.

“They reckon they are right up to their salary cap space. My understanding is, they like Adam Tomlinson. He is the only player they may look at through this trade period to see if they can get him on their list.”

Despite last year’s big off-season signings, Mayne and Wells combined for just 13 senior games for the Magpies.

The Lions are said to want two first round picks for Schache.

“There is no way they will get that for Schache,” Lloyd said.

“I think it will be a late selection in the first round. Maybe Brisbane will want a top 10 pick. It all depends on what the interest is.”

On Schache for me it depends on the price and how that compares to what we can draft. For example Gary Buckanara further down in that blog reckons Schache is worth a 1st + a 2nd/player, and too me I don’t agree when we could go to the draft and get someone like Balta for pick 6. However, if the deal is more in line with what has been suggested here 6 for Schache + pick 18, which we can either trade (maybe for Tomlinson) or take to the draft, then we have turned pick 6 (maybe Balta) into Schache + traded/drafted player.

 

[barrackers]

If there is an early bid they'll have to use one of them.

Bidding is now done live with the draft, therefore Richmond can trade both picks out and hope to make up the points with later picks.

 

[TW Sherrin]

Bidding is now done live with the draft, therefore Richmond can trade both picks out and hope to make up the points with later picks.

If naish is bid on by between 6 -9 using later picks wont get it done. They'll have to use a first rounder.

Saints want mids. 8 is worth 15 snd 35.

Ouch.

 

[Scodog10]

I saw it posted in the live blog on the Herald Sun website:


On Schache for me it depends on the price and how that compares to what we can draft. For example Gary Buckanara further down in that blog reckons Schache is worth a 1st + a 2nd/player, and too me I don’t agree when we could go to the draft and get someone like Balta for pick 6. However, if the deal is more in line with what has been suggested here 6 for Schache + pick 18, which we can either trade (maybe for Tomlinson) or take to the draft, then we have turned pick 6 (maybe Balta) into Schache + traded/drafted player.

My feel from the quote is that we don't have room for both, but the problem I see is that we'll probably need to include the rights to Nick Daicos plus Ayce and Jett to get it over the line. Thomlinson can't stop signing these bloody contracts!

I'm keener on Thomlinson because he's made it and Schache isn't best 22 at Collingwood. I'd normally put "IMO" there, but he's definitely behind Moore and Cox and we can't afford another 195cm+ type I50.

On Buckenara do you think the Hun actually went to Allen and got his name wrong? There's absolutely no ****ing way Josh Schache is worth anything approaching a 1st round pick + it's madness!!

 

[Babylove]

If naish is bid on by between 6 -9 using later picks wont get it done. They'll have to use a first rounder.

It comes down to the points. Two second rounds are worth more than one first round for example and they can use multiple picks to match I.e. they can use a second + a third to make up the points. Also don’t forget they’ll get 25% discount on the points they need as well. If they have their first rounders on draft night and a pick comes in before hand yes they’ll have to use one. But as long as the picks they have at their disposal on draft night can combine to make up the points needed they can still match the bid without a first round pick. That’s why over the last few years the academy teams have either had very high picks or traded out of the first round completely.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Timed to perfection with school holidays finishing, (hopefully means less silly posts)
Today is the first OFFICIAL day of trading.

Thanks bud.

 

[DAWESOME!!]

What about 6+36 for Schache+18?

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Richmond have two first round picks. What are you talking about?

They have two picks in the first round Shpesh.

Think you two are forgetting about a little father/son named PAtrick Naish that Richmond are going to have to use their first two picks on for points.

Lions want midfielders, Tigers have a few spare - Miles as an example.

We have even more to spare.

I'd wonder if we can get it done with:

Brisbane get - Pick 6 and 30 something and 1 or 2 players
Collingwood get - Pick 2 and Schache

 

[10571z]

Would people do straight swaps schache for pick 6. No chance they'll get a bette offer than that but pretty unsure on him.

 

[Thefly38]

Think you two are forgetting about a little father/son named PAtrick Naish that Richmond are going to have to use their first two picks on for points.



We have even more to spare.

I'd wonder if we can get it done with:

Brisbane get - Pick 6 and 30 something and 1 or 2 players
Collingwood get - Pick 2 and Schache

Surely you don't have to use two first round picks to match a bid for a father son ? wouldn't you just match the points or use your highest pick after the bid number.

 

[Scodog10]

What about 6+36 for Schache+18?

Change 36 to 54/55 and it's acceptable even if not my first preference.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Surely you don't have to use two first round picks to match a bid for a father son ? wouldn't you just match the points or use your highest pick after the bid number.

I'm assuming someone is the Top 10 will use their pick for him.

How many points will Richmond need to match that?

 

[Thefly38]

I'm assuming someone is the Top 10 will use their pick for him.

How many points will Richmond need to match that?

their next live bid ? i don't know lol thats what I'm asking

 

[Thefly38]

their next live bid ? i don't know lol thats what I'm asking

if a bid from us with pick 6 would make them use their first 2 picks to match surely we would do it.

 

[ThePhantom777]

If we're up to our eyes in Lynch next year then surely we don't bother with Schache?

 

[Apex36]

The Lions could involve another team for that pick.

Possibly

Tigers have to use one on Naish don't they?

They don't have to do anything. Last time I checked it was more desirable for teams to get value for early picks in trades and then use points from later picks rather than burning them on F/S bids. The most likely scenario is that the Tigers try and package a player like Miles with something to get a deal done imo.

 

[left at home]

According to gws Tomlinson will not be traded, trade radio.

 

[MagpieJoel]

According to The Moron aka Matthew Lloyd on trade radio n?

Just stop there. He has no idea.

 

[Apex36]

If naish is bid on by between 6 -9 using later picks wont get it done. They'll have to use a first rounder.

Saints want mids. 8 is worth 15 snd 35.

Ouch.

If they intend on trading their firsts out, they'll make sure they have enough points to secure Naish. If they can secure a second round pick during the trade period to do that then they will. It might require them to get creative and trade a future pick, but they'll do it if it means they'll get better value than just burning a first rounder on Naish.

 

[Rusty Beam]

What about 6+36 for Schache+18?

That's the only kind of deal I would be interested in the club doing for Schache.


There are just too many question marks over whether he is actually going to make it for mine.

 

[DaVe86]

I'm not sold on Schache. Just another bean-pole 200cm forward type. We already have Darcy Moore. I think Darcy needs a stronger buffer that allows him to play higher and also relieve him of the body on body work.

We'd be needing a fair bit back if we were to offer our pick 6 in a trade for Schache.

I think he suits Richmond well though. Would be a nice partnership with Riewoldt.

 

[DaVe86]

If they intend on trading their firsts out, they'll make sure they have enough points to secure Naish. If they can secure a second round pick during the trade period to do that then they will. It might require them to get creative and trade a future pick, but they'll do it if it means they'll get better value than just burning a first rounder on Naish.

They should be able to orchestrate something with guys like Conca and Lloyd. Premiership teams typically lose a few fringe players.

 

[Apex36]

Think you two are forgetting about a little father/son named PAtrick Naish that Richmond are going to have to use their first two picks on for points.



We have even more to spare.

I'd wonder if we can get it done with:

Brisbane get - Pick 6 and 30 something and 1 or 2 players
Collingwood get - Pick 2 and Schache

Yeah, that's not happening. Best case scenario is that we sweeten the deal enough to get Schache + 12. Brisbane aren't giving up pick 2.

 

[Tazzaye]

So Schache a pie in 10 mins from now? K ill create a welcome thread