List Mgmt. Trade and F/A - 2017/2018

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Good in front of goal is a big thumbs up, lack of athleticism is a bit of a worry with todays fast pace
 

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Apex36 said:
The problem with Schache is twofold. Firstly he’s had a remarkably similar career trajectory to Aish, who looks more and more like becoming a bust and andomeone we overpaid for substantially. Alarm bells are ringing for many.

Secondly, he just doesn’t seem to have anything dynamic in his game that makes him look like becoming a great KPF. He could still become one, but I just don’t see the major weapons that great KPF’s tend to have.

With 18 coming back, 6 is a risk I’d probably be willing to take, but tbh I’d be just as happy spending pick 6 on an athletic freak in Balta who is really raw but has the tools to become anything.
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He's also had a career trajectory that's similar (if not better) than many/most top flight AFL forwards. They tend to take time. Had a drop off this year when he was clearly struggling with the homesickness...other than that I don't really see many "issues" like many are speculating. Seems to me like the Vic media trying to frame the scenario/his worth nice and early.

As to his footballing ability I think he's got quite a lot of tools that hold him in good stead going forward: good overhead mark, capable contested mark, great kick, great skills in general, and good decision making. As I mentioned, I rate him head and shoulders above any KPP in this draft.

FWIW my intention isn't to come here and convince you he's worth pick 6 because my ideal scenario is that we keep him. I'm just saying that I personally wouldn't hesitate to give up 6 for him. I see him as a long term 50-60 goals/year forward, and they're quite valuable.
 
Gary Buckenara's article in the HUN re: Schache

"Despite struggling in his first two seasons I would command two first-round picks as a starting point and see if any club – like Collingwood or Carlton – would pay it. At the very least I’d accept a first and second-round pick for the goalkicker."

Jeepers Creepers!
 
BigHippy said:
Interesting to read the hesitancy to trade #6 here, even with #18 coming back (which isn't a trade I'd want us to be doing from a Lions perspective). Only firms my belief that he won't actually end up getting traded.

Obviously my views are skewed as a Lions fan but even when attempting to view it from a neutral perspective I see Schache as a far better prospect than any tall in this draft. If he was available at #6 and my club needed a tall, I'd hope we took him there.
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He may well be. But will he be better than someone we could draft at 6 who would fulfil one of our other needs? I don't want to take him for the sake of it because he is a tall. If we can get an elite player at 6 in one of the other positions of need we have, I'd rather do that. Personally, I hope we steer well clear of him. No offence, he just doesn't do it for me.
 
Hagla said:
Gary Buckenara's article in the HUN re: Schache

"Despite struggling in his first two seasons I would command two first-round picks as a starting point and see if any club – like Collingwood or Carlton – would pay it. At the very least I’d accept a first and second-round pick for the goalkicker."

Jeepers Creepers!
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How dumb.

We should offer not that much, see if they bite if not, off to the draft

6 for the draft works for me
 
Hagla said:
Gary Buckenara's article in the HUN re: Schache

"Despite struggling in his first two seasons I would command two first-round picks as a starting point and see if any club – like Collingwood or Carlton – would pay it. At the very least I’d accept a first and second-round pick for the goalkicker."

Jeepers Creepers!
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Christ. If that's what Brisbane want, they'll be keeping him. I'll give up completely if Collingwood even considered something so stupid
 
Pedro said:
He may well be. But will he be better than someone we could draft at 6 who would fulfil one of our other needs? I don't want to take him for the sake of it because he is a tall. If we can get an elite player at 6 in one of the other positions of need we have, I'd rather do that. Personally, I hope we steer well clear of him. No offence, he just doesn't do it for me.
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I'm not going to get offended regardless of your opinion on Schache. From what I've read around the different club boards I think he'll either stay or one group of supporters are going to be very upset about the price they paid (and then happy when Schache is a gun in a few years).

Pedro said:
Christ. If that's what Brisbane want, they'll be keeping him. I'll give up completely if Collingwood even considered something so stupid
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Hopefully!
 

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Hagla said:
Gary Buckenara's article in the HUN re: Schache

"Despite struggling in his first two seasons I would command two first-round picks as a starting point and see if any club – like Collingwood or Carlton – would pay it. At the very least I’d accept a first and second-round pick for the goalkicker."

Jeepers Creepers!
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This is why drugs are frowned upon kiddies
 
Gambit78 said:
I kinda worry that we're about to do a James Stewart, re: Schache.
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Schache has the much higher ceiling as opposed to the handy third tall Stewart all but looks like becoming.

I like the way Schache is going about it at this stage too. Obviously having troubles with home sickness, but hasn't just thrown it in and demanded to be traded, seems like he has been doing his best to make it work. Shows character imo.

Doubt Brisbane take 6 for Schache and 18 though and at this early stage Schache doesn't look like he's going to pull a McCarthy and try to really force Brisbane's hand.
 
Hagla said:
Gary Buckenara's article in the HUN re: Schache

"Despite struggling in his first two seasons I would command two first-round picks as a starting point and see if any club – like Collingwood or Carlton – would pay it. At the very least I’d accept a first and second-round pick for the goalkicker."

Jeepers Creepers!
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Is it any wonder he was a failed coach with trading strategies like that.
 
Hagla said:
Gary Buckenara's article in the HUN re: Schache

"Despite struggling in his first two seasons I would command two first-round picks as a starting point and see if any club – like Collingwood or Carlton – would pay it. At the very least I’d accept a first and second-round pick for the goalkicker."

Jeepers Creepers!
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How on Earth someone cost the Same of Treloar that not done much at AFL Level
 
BigHippy said:
He's also had a career trajectory that's similar (if not better) than many/most top flight AFL forwards. They tend to take time. Had a drop off this year when he was clearly struggling with the homesickness...other than that I don't really see many "issues" like many are speculating. Seems to me like the Vic media trying to frame the scenario/his worth nice and early.
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The Vic media have nothing to do with his trade value. They speculate just as all of us do. They don’t try to play down the worth of interstate players in some grand conspiracy, no matter how much you think they do.
As to his footballing ability I think he's got quite a lot of tools that hold him in good stead going forward: good overhead mark, capable contested mark, great kick, great skills in general, and good decision making. As I mentioned, I rate him head and shoulders above any KPP in this draft.
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I just don’t see it. As I said, I’d still be ok to take the punt with a puck coming back, but he makes me nervous.
FWIW my intention isn't to come here and convince you he's worth pick 6 because my ideal scenario is that we keep him. I'm just saying that I personally wouldn't hesitate to give up 6 for him. I see him as a long term 50-60 goals/year forward, and they're quite valuable.
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We all tend to overrate our own players so I can’t really fault you for it.
 
Hagla said:
Gary Buckenara's article in the HUN re: Schache

"Despite struggling in his first two seasons I would command two first-round picks as a starting point and see if any club – like Collingwood or Carlton – would pay it. At the very least I’d accept a first and second-round pick for the goalkicker."

Jeepers Creepers!
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Lol think he has been dropping acid
 
I couldn't put my finger on it until someone made a Cameron Wood comparison earlier with Schache. He may well end up better than Cam and I hope he does irrespective of who he ends up with. But for me the risk is too great in a draft where we have the opportunity to choose from the top shelf - for me it's Coffield or better.
 
TradeDraft said:
How on Earth someone cost the Same of Treloar that not done much at AFL Level
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Key forwards always demand a surcharge and people have quickly forgotten how good Schache was in his first season before the home sickness sinks in. Go back and look at the threads where people were asking who would be better out of Schache and Boyd and it was almost unequivocally Schache. He'll come good in the right environment; that may or may not be at the Lions. I think of all the clubs that seem to be in the running he'd be the best fit for you guys.

What's the general consensus on this board about Schache + 18 for 6 + 36?
 
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