List Mgmt. Trade and F/A 2020 Cont’d

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I posted this in the trade review thread but thought I'd place this in here too...
Hopefully I ain't gunned down for this but here it goes....


My take:
-Phillips + Atu didnt bother me at all in terms of trade return.
I have wanted to offload for Phillips for the last few years and his $600k inflated contract made it even easier to do.

-Jaidyn Stephenson
This one, there's obviously more to it behind the scenes. Club was hell bent on getting rid of him and whilst I think he is a massive talent and am disappointed we didnt retain him, I wonder as to why there was only one genuine suitor which happened to be lowly North Melbourne for his services?
A kid who we all rate highly--and not one other club wanted him at a pretty cut throat price. Alarm bells?

- Adam Treloar
The one that has polarised and divided fans the last few weeks....and i wont be popular here but once news started to break we were looking to offload him, i was hoping this deal would go through.
The main reason is I question his lifestyle choice and living arrangement and with his mental health concerns----it doesn't fill me with confidence.
Then you have the inflated salary and if reports are true the playing group wanting him shipped off.

I'm going to give people a bit of a breakdown purely on performance alone since Treloar has arrived at our club up until his departure and this may not sit well but this is factually all correct and accurate:

These are the 5 main names of our midfield (the core if you will)
-Scott Pendlebury
-Taylor Adams
-Brodie Grundy
-Steele Sidebottom
-Adam Treloar

The first 4 names in the same timeframe since Adam's spell at our club have either been an AA or had multiple AA jumpers; and have either won a BnF or won multiple BnFs too.

Adam Treloar has zero in both categories.
When you look at that--how can he be the highest paid player in the team almost let alone ahead of that midfield quartet when they've all had better achievements than him?
This makes him the most expendable name at the end of the day---it's brutal yes but it's true.
The club has made the difficult decision based on all of the above.
You make some really good points. Atu and Phillips are not contentious IMO. They left for opportunity that we couldn't match, and we took advantage of that to clear their salary from our books. JS certainly there is more behind the scenes that lead to his departure, and possibly with AT as well. Whether we wanted them out because of that or whether that made them expendable because of our cap issues we may never know. And the club is on a hiding to nothing about putting out their side of the story. If we say anything like Walsh did this morning we are being mean and throwing the player under the bus, if we don't then the narrative of the player becomes the truth for many.

The only real issue I have is that the club isn't being transparent about all of this (not about the off field but where we are and why things played out the way they did). One thing I think this off season with us has highlighted is the immaturity of the AFL in general when it comes to player movement. In the US players can be traded in contract at a moments notice and the clubs don't always speak to their player before the trade goes through. It's brutal but that's the way the business goes. In the NRL players have full free agency and can sign with a new club twelve months out. So you can spend a full year supporting a player where it is publicly acknowledged they are moving to another club in the next season and know where they are going.

In the AFL both clubs and players can't handle those sort of ideas around player movement. We are kind of stuck between the business of modern professional sport, and the old fashioned player/club loyalty that goes back to the pre-professional era. I think that's why I give credence to the assertion that Cox was discussed as possibly being offloaded but he took that much better than JS and AT. Growing up in the US that was just the brutal side of professional sport.
 
I posted a week ago about a rumour from someone who normally has pretty good mail but sometimes I think he makes it up.

He told me that Stephenson didn't really apply himself that well at the club and that also he had had a physical altercation with Harvey (too funny if Harvey gets the North coaching job). The club disciplined him by not playing until they didn't have much choice. Good kid but not yet professional and relies on his natural talent.

Sadly for us I think this move will be good for him and not sure why we didn't manage better if true.

However given his obvious talent it did surprise me that other clubs weren't interested.

I would much rather Harvey going, I really can't see what he brings to the club after all these years.

This may give some credibility to the off field assertions. I would imagine given hub life, that clubs would have been more aware of off field issues than most years because they were all living in close proximity to each other. And a lot of clubs do consider those issues along with talent when making recruitment decisions.
 

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Exactly, there's no rational way to explain the situation. Management has been grossly negligent with contract negotiations and it's all come home to roost now.

Members and supporters deserve better after all that's happened this year.

It’s been building. Clearly the writing was on the wall last year when they tried to flick Treloar and also moved on aish.

They should
I posted this in the trade review thread but thought I'd place this in here too...
Hopefully I ain't gunned down for this but here it goes....


My take:
-Phillips + Atu didnt bother me at all in terms of trade return.
I have wanted to offload for Phillips for the last few years and his $600k inflated contract made it even easier to do.

-Jaidyn Stephenson
This one, there's obviously more to it behind the scenes. Club was hell bent on getting rid of him and whilst I think he is a massive talent and am disappointed we didnt retain him, I wonder as to why there was only one genuine suitor which happened to be lowly North Melbourne for his services?
A kid who we all rate highly--and not one other club wanted him at a pretty cut throat price. Alarm bells?

- Adam Treloar
The one that has polarised and divided fans the last few weeks....and i wont be popular here but once news started to break we were looking to offload him, i was hoping this deal would go through.
The main reason is I question his lifestyle choice and living arrangement and with his mental health concerns----it doesn't fill me with confidence.
Then you have the inflated salary and if reports are true the playing group wanting him shipped off.

I'm going to give people a bit of a breakdown purely on performance alone since Treloar has arrived at our club up until his departure and this may not sit well but this is factually all correct and accurate:

These are the 5 main names of our midfield (the core if you will)
-Scott Pendlebury
-Taylor Adams
-Brodie Grundy
-Steele Sidebottom
-Adam Treloar

The first 4 names in the same timeframe since Adam's spell at our club have either been an AA or had multiple AA jumpers; and have either won a BnF or won multiple BnFs too.

Adam Treloar has zero in both categories.
When you look at that--how can he be the highest paid player in the team almost let alone ahead of that midfield quartet when they've all had better achievements than him?
This makes him the most expendable name at the end of the day---it's brutal yes but it's true.
The club has made the difficult decision based on all of the above.


You make some good points.

Phillips and Treloar not especially damaging players and their upside was limited. Stevo has massive upside but carries baggage so is a risk. Atu thrown out as a sweetener to north.

But it was the firesale and how it was managed that has people up in arms. Combine that with a refusal from the club to face up to the truth that it was a firesale.....caused by the decisions they have made over the past three or four seasons.

Some confessions from the club that “yes we stuffed up on a number of fronts and these tough difficult decisions were designed to make sure we never find ourselves in this position again” would be a good place to start. Followed by some staff changes.
 
I posted this in the trade review thread but thought I'd place this in here too...
Hopefully I ain't gunned down for this but here it goes....


My take:
-Phillips + Atu didnt bother me at all in terms of trade return.
I have wanted to offload for Phillips for the last few years and his $600k inflated contract made it even easier to do.

-Jaidyn Stephenson
This one, there's obviously more to it behind the scenes. Club was hell bent on getting rid of him and whilst I think he is a massive talent and am disappointed we didnt retain him, I wonder as to why there was only one genuine suitor which happened to be lowly North Melbourne for his services?
A kid who we all rate highly--and not one other club wanted him at a pretty cut throat price. Alarm bells?

- Adam Treloar
The one that has polarised and divided fans the last few weeks....and i wont be popular here but once news started to break we were looking to offload him, i was hoping this deal would go through.
The main reason is I question his lifestyle choice and living arrangement and with his mental health concerns----it doesn't fill me with confidence.
Then you have the inflated salary and if reports are true the playing group wanting him shipped off.

I'm going to give people a bit of a breakdown purely on performance alone since Treloar has arrived at our club up until his departure and this may not sit well but this is factually all correct and accurate:

These are the 5 main names of our midfield (the core if you will)
-Scott Pendlebury
-Taylor Adams
-Brodie Grundy
-Steele Sidebottom
-Adam Treloar

The first 4 names in the same timeframe since Adam's spell at our club have either been an AA or had multiple AA jumpers; and have either won a BnF or won multiple BnFs too.

Adam Treloar has zero in both categories.
When you look at that--how can he be the highest paid player in the team almost let alone ahead of that midfield quartet when they've all had better achievements than him?
This makes him the most expendable name at the end of the day---it's brutal yes but it's true.
The club has made the difficult decision based on all of the above.

Seriously, why are people trying to convince themselves we have been competent? If Treloar isn't better than the other 4, why give him a 5 year extension at 900k? That was the list makers decision.

Why sign Mayne up mid year for another year? Roughead? there is so much suspect talent around the edges we could have just allowed to leave.

The truth is they buggered up their calculations and the strategy they had, clearly did not have enough contingencies in it.

And so let's redo this whole trade period, knowing what we know now which is our salary cap is horrible.

Number one priority would be- don't let other sides know we want to get rid of players on big contracts because of our mistakes. Make them come to us and ask, make Stephenson someone who is wanted, not thrown out the door last minute. Get teams interested in Treloar. Support him when he says he can still play in Vic.

The mistakes are truly limitless. Any people in any other profession would be fired today. If we had an owner they would all be fired today.
 
I posted this in the trade review thread but thought I'd place this in here too...
Hopefully I ain't gunned down for this but here it goes....


My take:
-Phillips + Atu didnt bother me at all in terms of trade return.
I have wanted to offload for Phillips for the last few years and his $600k inflated contract made it even easier to do.

-Jaidyn Stephenson
This one, there's obviously more to it behind the scenes. Club was hell bent on getting rid of him and whilst I think he is a massive talent and am disappointed we didnt retain him, I wonder as to why there was only one genuine suitor which happened to be lowly North Melbourne for his services?
A kid who we all rate highly--and not one other club wanted him at a pretty cut throat price. Alarm bells?

- Adam Treloar
The one that has polarised and divided fans the last few weeks....and i wont be popular here but once news started to break we were looking to offload him, i was hoping this deal would go through.
The main reason is I question his lifestyle choice and living arrangement and with his mental health concerns----it doesn't fill me with confidence.
Then you have the inflated salary and if reports are true the playing group wanting him shipped off.

I'm going to give people a bit of a breakdown purely on performance alone since Treloar has arrived at our club up until his departure and this may not sit well but this is factually all correct and accurate:

These are the 5 main names of our midfield (the core if you will)
-Scott Pendlebury
-Taylor Adams
-Brodie Grundy
-Steele Sidebottom
-Adam Treloar

The first 4 names in the same timeframe since Adam's spell at our club have either been an AA or had multiple AA jumpers; and have either won a BnF or won multiple BnFs too.

Adam Treloar has zero in both categories.
When you look at that--how can he be the highest paid player in the team almost let alone ahead of that midfield quartet when they've all had better achievements than him?
This makes him the most expendable name at the end of the day---it's brutal yes but it's true.
The club has made the difficult decision based on all of the above.

Spin it however you want.

You can’t trade out 3 best 22 players for a return of pick 14.

21,24,27 year olds.
 
One thing I think this off season with us has highlighted is the immaturity of the AFL in general when it comes to player movement. In the US players can be traded in contract at a moments notice and the clubs don't always speak to their player before the trade goes through. It's brutal but that's the way the business goes. In the NRL players have full free agency and can sign with a new club twelve months out. So you can spend a full year supporting a player where it is publicly acknowledged they are moving to another club in the next season and know where they are going.

In the AFL both clubs and players can't handle those sort of ideas around player movement. We are kind of stuck between the business of modern professional sport, and the old fashioned player/club loyalty that goes back to the pre-professional era. I think that's why I give credence to the assertion that Cox was discussed as possibly being offloaded but he took that much better than JS and AT. Growing up in the US that was just the brutal side of professional sport.
True. My wife's cousin is an Australian baseball pitcher who plays in the ABL and in the USA. He found out he was cut from a team in the USA when a friend messaged to ask if he was OK after being cut. B.Rutal.
 

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