List Mgmt. Trade and F/A - Part 3

[ToonAussie]

Just because the clubs who ended up with the picks chose those players doesn’t mean we would have. There was plenty of potential quality around that mark in those two drafts. Harry McKay

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Harry Mckay

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26

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200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

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Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

2.4

2star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.4

5star

D

6.6

1star

K

4.6

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

G

1.4

5star

D

8.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.8

3star

G

2.0

5star

was taken at the next pick in 2015 iirc, who would be a godsend in our forward line right now.

You are correct with Harry M being taken straight after Weideman.

But there wasn't a lot of quality around in those drafts though.

In fact, Dekka's record picking in the top 20 is really good except for the Shaz / Freeman year, so he might have got it right!

Not all dekka but
05 - pendles and daisy
06 - Reid and brown
07 - (Wood)
08 - Sidey
09 - (Jolly)
10 - (Krak and Taz)
11 - (Elliot and Clarke)
12 - 18 - Grundy, 19 BenKen 20 Broomy.
13 - Shaz and freeman
14 - JDG and Moore
15 + 16 as above re (Treloar).
17 - Stevo
18 - (Beamer for 19) - protecting bid at 13 for IQ
19 - (Beams at 18)

20 - 3 champions in top 20 ?????
21 - Nick D??? and (RFA)

 

[soreplums]

Buckenara has Holland’s at 6, Phillips at 13, Reef 14, McRae 15, Cox 18 and Callow outside 50

 

[No SPIN]

Buckenara has Holland’s at 6, Phillips at 13, Reef 14, McRae 15, Cox 18 and Callow outside 50

Wow - very low for Phillips, did he say why?

 

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Buckenara has Holland’s at 6, Phillips at 13, Reef 14, McRae 15, Cox 18 and Callow outside 50

Hollands a good chance to go #1 and make Buckenara look like even more of a fool.

Phillips at 13 hahaha

 

[soreplums]

Wow - very low for Phillips, did he say why?

Just gave a description of each. Had JMU at 1, Thilthorpe at 2, DGB 3, McDonald 4 and Henry at 5.

 

[sr36]

Hollands a good chance to go #1 and make Buckenara look like even more of a fool.

Phillips at 13 hahaha

It's how he rates them. He's not trying to predict the draft.

 

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It's how he rates them. He's not trying to predict the draft.

I know that. But given that he's probably just looking at the same YouTube highlights we're watching, how could anyone not put Phillips in the top 6-7?

 

[Apples]

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Look it up instead of trying to make a stranger on the internet feel bad.

Keep your shirt on. I wasn't trying to make anybody feel bad. I was asking. I had looked it up. It doesn't appear in my dictionary.

 

[Apples]

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That may well be the internet's go-to dictionary Anzac, but it isn't mine. In a professional capacity I use the Oxford and agreeance is not listed there. The word's a dud as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Matt_352]

Buckenara has Holland’s at 6, Phillips at 13, Reef 14, McRae 15, Cox 18 and Callow outside 50

Callow outside 50 if we could get him with one of our late picks what a steal.

 

[JOELY]

Callow outside 50 if we could get him with one of our late picks what a steal.

better not mention it unless one of the other recruiters catch wind.

 

[sr36]

That may well be the internet's go-to dictionary Anzac, but it isn't mine. In a professional capacity I use the Oxford and agreeance is not listed there. The word's a dud as far as I'm concerned.

It gets a brief mention in Oxford's online site: Scottish in origin and sometimes considered non-standard, so you're not exactly wrong, but I was surprised by that as "in agreeance" isn't that uncommon, at least in some circles:

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[Jelly Bean]

Yes, GWS missed a heap and my focussing on one individual selection doesn't really show anything anyway. It's akin to saying don't trade a pick at any price becasue it could be the next Buddy Franklin

My point isn't really that you shouldn't trade two first rounders to move up in the draft. It's more that doing this shouldn't be viewed as being different to trading 2 first rounders for a player. For some reason, at the moment, it is viewed very differently. On draft night, if Essendon trade pick 7 + 8 for North's 2 in order to draft Logan Macdonald, there won't be endless talk of him costing two top 10 selections, even though that is what he will have cost. And considering how heavily traded picks are, you can make the case that every kid taken in the top 4 of a draft is effectively being viewed as worth two first round selections, becasue that's the minimum oportunity cost of taking that kid in the draft. Basically, every top 4 draft pick is valued at a similar amount or more than what we paid for Adam Treloar

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Adam Treloar

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31

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185cm

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84kg

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Mid

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28.2

5star

K

12.9

5star

HB

15.3

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

4.9

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

30.3

5star

K

16.3

5star

HB

14.0

5star

M

2.0

2star

T

3.3

4star

CL

5.8

5star

D

18.0

5star

K

11.2

4star

HB

6.8

5star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.6

4star

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Why do people think North's pick will get Logan McDonald? Teams will need pick 1 for him, because Jamarra will go pre-pick 1. What am I missing?

 

[partypie]

Why do people think North's pick will get Logan McDonald? Teams will need pick 1 for him, because Jamarra will go pre-pick 1. What am I missing?

You're missing the train of thought that the Crows will go for Thilthorpe or even Hollands as what they consider to be the best available for them with pick 1, after initially bidding on JUH. .

 

[manicpie]

You're missing the train of thought that the Crows will go for Thilthorpe or even Hollands as what they consider to be the best available for them with pick 1, after initially bidding on JUH. .

That's not Adelaide's train of thought at all, they would have to be stupid to take Thilthorpe over McDonald, that's just a BF rumour, and Holland coming off an ACL is not the ideal first choice for a team on a rebuild

 

[neilk]

Why do people think North's pick will get Logan McDonald? Teams will need pick 1 for him, because Jamarra will go pre-pick 1. What am I missing?

I thought I'd read that Adelaide would not bid on JUH at #1 because they wanted to honour their #1 pick with this accolade and the nice little bonus that goes with it. If they bid then their pick will be #2 and not get the bonus from NAB, I assume.

 

[partypie]

That's not Adelaide's train of thought at all, they would have to be stupid to take Thilthorpe over McDonald, that's just a BF rumour, and Holland coming off an ACL is not the ideal first choice for a team on a rebuild

Not saying it's Adelaide's train of thought necessarily, but at the same time it doesn't appear to be just a BF rumour either as they are still looking at Thilthorpe and Hollands as well even as recently as the weekend, if some reports are to be believed re: Adelaide doing more follow up and checking medical records for both of them.

It would be stupid of them in a lot of people's eyes to overlook McDonald of course because he looks like *the* bankable KPF, but it's not entirely outside the realms of possibility that they might be considering their options even now at this late stage.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I don’t care too much what the Crows do but given their historical inability to recruit and retain, surely a local kid would take preference when they get the chance.

 

[manicpie]

Not saying it's Adelaide's train of thought necessarily, but at the same time it doesn't appear to be just a BF rumour either as they are still looking at Thilthorpe and Hollands as well even as recently as the weekend, if some reports are to be believed re: Adelaide doing more follow up and checking medical records for both of them.

It would be stupid of them in a lot of people's eyes to overlook McDonald of course because he looks like *the* bankable KPF, but it's not entirely outside the realms of possibility that they might be considering their options even now at this late stage.

I think they will expect Thilthorpe or Hollands to fall to their pick 9 if they over look them at 1

 

[manicpie]

I don’t care too much what the Crows do but given their historical inability to recruit and retain, surely a local kid would take preference when they get the chance.

Not when you have pick 1, they'll take McDonald or they need their head read

 

[sr36]

Not when you have pick 1, they'll take McDonald or they need their head read

Or perhaps they have more knowledge than our group think.

 

[Jen2310]

Or perhaps they have more knowledge than our group think.

Also I think recruiters take in more than a few games this year. They take in the last few years. Otherwise why is JUH #1 if it was just in exposed 2020 form given no vic kids played lol Its not just based on one year.
Before June, Mcdonald was rated 10-20

 

[Gone Critical]

We’ve lost Stevo, Treloar, Phillips, Scharenberg, Varcoe, Reid, Appleby, Wills, Broomhead, Beams (although his payout will be paid in 2021), Langdon (who knows what his payout deal is), Dunn, and Bosenavulagi. All to be replaced by draftees. Only a muppet would presume we hadn’t already cleared enough cap space with those outs to enable us to retain any 1 of Phillips, Treloar, or Stevo if we wanted to. They were very specifically targeted exits.

Have to say I can't buy that. Most of the players you list were part of the normal list turnover every club does. Every year the cap refreshes as players depart. We did something very different. They were 'the sh-t is about to his the fan, we stuffed our planning and we need to burn a few players quickly' type decisions

All the stuff coming out of the club is propaganda, "we are positioning ourselves to strengthen via the draft", "we want to be in a better position to pursue free agents" etc. If there had even been minor truth to the bs we would have been planning and organising towards those ends well before time and got a much better deal.

Why we were so late to our own firesale remains unknown. Needs an explanation. There was no specific targeting. We just have let the cap problem fester, someone or everyone has been asleep at the wheel and we have to make hasty decisions. Result is we have burned A grade talent and our best junior and will struggle to get anyone near the talent of either Treloar or Stephenson from the 2019/20 drafts. Just a simple stuff up.

The propaganda the I hate the most is we loaded up going for the gold and this was the result. BS. Tiges, Cats, Eagles have injected A grade talent into their list in the last few seasons via trade or FA, we did with Treloar seasons ago. Good manangement would make this compatible with maintaining a list and not having a firesale. All these top clubs were going for it, loading up, we are the only one who messed that up and sold valuable assets way below value.

Thats what the club needs to own and a few more should fall on their sword.

 

[Gone Critical]

Now this draft we hopefully nail as the first step to make up lost ground. We are behind the pack now and need some great decisions

 

[sr36]

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Why we were so late to our own firesale remains unknown. Needs an explanation. There was no specific targeting. We just have let the cap problem fester, someone or everyone has been asleep at the wheel and we have to make hasty decisions. Result is we have burned A grade talent and our best junior and will struggle to get anyone near the talent of either Treloar or Stephenson from the 2019/20 drafts. Just a simple stuff up.

The only real explanation is that it was a reaction to getting smashed by the Cats. I think they were still planning to keep the list together before then.