List Mgmt. Trade and F/A - Part 3

[johncitizen]

He was waiting for the new coach to be announced. Obviously he is happy with the choice.

 

[jackcass]

Yes it is based on what he produced then but he's nowhere near that form now. So its not ridiculous to focus on his salary / contract length at all if he can't get back to 18 / 19 form and we have 6 more years of his 21 form.

I'm personally not fussed on clangers he makes, I'm focussed on his overall impact. The worrying thing is we had clean centre breaks when Lynch was there agst Melb and I can't recall that all season with Grundy there.

Rubbish. People were sooking about his salary even early in the year when his form was arguably on a par with 2018-19.

We just have to accept that there'll be people that'll never be happy with what he does on-field.

 

[jackcass]

Is there any obvious target to walk through using our pick 2 in the preseason draft. Lipinski, Stephens, Dawson, Weideman etc...

If Jack Martin

21

Jack Martin

Age

29

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.7

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

3.6

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.6

3star

who was rated far higher than these options in 2019 can walk to the Blues then we need to exploit this option given our ND position.

The obvious threat is North but how often due clubs select players that don't want to play there.

(Yes I remember Nic Stevens)

Pretty sure Martin got to walk through to Carlton because they front ended his contract offer so heavily that nobody else would dream of matching. Something like $1.5M in the first year of his deal .

 

[Jen2310]

Tom Morris seems to think in his trade chat that walking Lipinski through the PSD would be the best course of action.

 

[Trickster]

Rubbish. People were sooking about his salary even early in the year when his form was arguably on a par with 2018-19.

We just have to accept that there'll be people that'll never be happy with what he does on-field.

I thought he'd bounce back from his form slump last year. Not sure his form started off great tbh. Martin and English towelled him up. He improved after that but not to 18/19 form IMO. Dropped right off in second half.

If he plays like 18/19, he's worthy of that contract, hopefully with a new coach he's re-invigorated. If not, we're in a bit of trouble with the length more so.

Pretty sure Martin got to walk through to Carlton because they front ended his contract offer so heavily that nobody else would dream of matching. Something like $1.5M in the first year of his deal .

$3m over 5 years, with $1m each year for first 2 (before covid adjustments). How they got him after GC rejected a 2nd and 3rd rounder

 

[cityslick1]

I thought Dib looked pretty good in our VFL games for an underager. Had a similar impact as Ginnivan in his early games and better defensive pressure.

he has great potential. Looked a class above our VFL players in some games... clean, quick, collect, goal. At crucial times too. Playing a niche role, but he certainly has some IT factor

 

[ClaytonM]

Unless you have crystal ball to say Grundy cannot return to his best, then your point is moot.
I would equally argue, that a return to his best greatly improves our competitiveness, and a new Coach may well bring out the best in him.

When Leigh Mathews said in 2019, he was the best player in the game - I think thats speaks volumes per his quotes below.


“When you have a ruckman who can be good in the hit-out part of the game and then get the ball around the ground and be an extra midfield, ground-level player as well, it virtually gives you two players in the one jumper

“He’s the first player I’d pick if you were building a team from scratch.”

Leigh Matthews makes a BIG call about Brodie Grundy! - 3AW

AFL icon Leigh Matthews says Brodie Grundy is the most valuable player in the league and it’s the first time he can remember saying that about a ruckman. While he was well-beaten by Max Gawn on Monday, Matthews said Grundy had been his standout player in the first half of the season. “If I got […]

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I don’t agree with him. I would have Gawn in front of him easily.

Two reasons. He has been consistently good over a long time, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, he consistently takes contested marks around the ground. Statistically Gawn was 2.4 times better as a contested mark this year. As a ruck Grundy is a shockingly poor contested mark. Even Darcy Cameron has him well covered.

 

[Robroy22]

There's ALWAYS a lot of conjecture about CFC and its players. Its cos you media schmucks have to "make stuff up" to pay your own wages.

 

[ClaytonM]

Rubbish. People were sooking about his salary even early in the year when his form was arguably on a par with 2018-19.

We just have to accept that there'll be people that'll never be happy with what he does on-field.

No some will have problems with the dollars regardless of how well he plays. Puts to many eggs (dollars) in one basket which means you end up with the Treloar, Stephenson debacles.

Our list is the poorer, and we be going forward, because of that contract. How well Grundy plays will not change that.

 

[Roverjg]

I thought last year we might have a sniff around Parker given that Ned Guy was his former manager, before it was known just how bad our cap was.

Can't see him leaving Sydney

Reported on one of the click-baits last night that GCS were offering him a nice retirement package

 

[Robroy22]

No some will have problems with the dollars regardless of how well he plays. Puts to many eggs (dollars) in one basket which means you end up with the Treloar, Stephenson debacles.

Our list is the poorer, and we be going forward, because of that contract. How well Grundy plays will not change that.

I think as a "fans base" there's only one thing now that us "fans" should all do. Let's band together (pitchforks and all) and get up a petition that we can take to Brody Grundy's place (when Covid restrictions allow) that stipulates that we want him to re-negotiate a lesser contract or leave football altogether. Threaten him with that and tell him if he doesn't sign on for less...we'll get "really stroppy" and all collapse on his nature strip kicking our legs in the air and chucking a good old fashioned TANTY.

In the words of the great Timmy from Thomastown: He's been "CRUCIFYING" us Tony....and its gone on too long!

 

[ClaytonM]

I think as a "fans base" there's only one thing now that us "fans" should all do. Let's band together (pitchforks and all) and get up a petition that we can take to Brody Grundy's place (when Covid restrictions allow) that stipulates that we want him to re-negotiate a lesser contract or leave football altogether. Threaten him with that and tell him if he doesn't sign on for less...we'll get "really stroppy" and all collapse on his nature strip kicking our legs in the air and chucking a good old fashioned TANTY.

In the words of the great Timmy from Thomastown: He's been "CRUCIFYING" us Tony....and its gone on too long!

I don’t blame Grundy. Make the most out of your career.

However he may not achieve ultimate success if they players around him are not up to it. That is the club’s fault.

 

[TakingThePies]

https://twitter.com/piesource1

If anyone has Twitter, I'll try and post the information as much as on here.

 

[Apex36]

Reported on one of the click-baits last night that GCS were offering him a nice retirement package

They were saying on SEN today that GC hadn’t made him an offer because they have so many players OOC next year that will get pay rises they need to bank the cap room…

 

[LuckyLee]

I suspect its far too late but I reckon McRae is the sort of coach who could finally get consistent AFL level performance out of Sier.

 

[piemad1]

Tom Morris seems to think in his trade chat that walking Lipinski through the PSD would be the best course of action.

lipinski probably costs the most via a trade so he's definitely the one we push through PSD. Plus we get to give the bulldogs a little jab back after last year

 

[jackcass]

No some will have problems with the dollars regardless of how well he plays. Puts to many eggs (dollars) in one basket which means you end up with the Treloar, Stephenson debacles.

Our list is the poorer, and we be going forward, because of that contract. How well Grundy plays will not change that.

I don't have an issue with what he's paid. Would have loved it to be less. Would have preferred it for 4-5 years. The disrespect he's being shown here though is completely unmerited.

 

[Silky23]

It’s an actual laugh on here sometimes reading comments.

Grundy apart from Crisp is the most durable player on our list. He never misses a game, he always shows up and plays well, even his poor games are good but are just critiqued to the shit because we’ve seen him play at higher levels before. $900k/22 games ever year equates to 40k a game.

What makes me laugh is absolutely NONE of you have a problem paying JDG and Moore, who are both criminal in terms of missing games basically the same amount of money.
Moore has missed 17 games over the last 3 years which is nearly a full year or an 850k contract. JDG has also missed 17 games in the last 3 years. 34 games missed combined, which is around 1.2$ million when you combine them together.

If you wanna babble on about ‘hamstring’ contracts that hurt clubs, how about you look at some other players on our list, who frankly, are doing far worse for us, but yet you never hear anyone complain about them.

And to make things worse, I think you could honestly count on one hand the amount of games Moore and JDG have won us off their own accord in the last 3 years. Grundy time and time again has led from the front to pull us over the line. That’s what you pay for with big $ contracts.

 

[Trickster]

They were saying on SEN today that GC hadn’t made him an offer because they have so many players OOC next year that will get pay rises they need to bank the cap room…

Your little emoji looks like Stewie Dew!

 

[TakingThePies]

Lipinski and management are leaning towards Collingwood but suspect the 3 year deal from Dogs would be tempting to re-sign.

Just haven't had a chat with McRae. Won't have a meeting, call or even decision until after Dogs are finished.

Bit of a riff between Dogs/Pies after last year, I defiantly believe Coll will use the PSD as leverage.

 

[manicpie]

Lipinski and management are leaning towards Collingwood but suspect the 3 year deal from Dogs would be tempting to re-sign.

Just haven't had a chat with McRae. Won't have a meeting, call or even decision until after Dogs are finished.

Bit of a riff between Dogs/Pies after last year, I defiantly believe Coll will use the PSD as leverage.

God I hope so

 

[TakingThePies]

God I hope so

Ideal fit for us too. Would be a handy.

 

[JLC]

Sounds like Atu.

Saw him in one under 18s match and I think one vfl……fits a need from what I saw.

Lipinski and management are leaning towards Collingwood but suspect the 3 year deal from Dogs would be tempting to re-sign.

Just haven't had a chat with McRae. Won't have a meeting, call or even decision until after Dogs are finished.

Bit of a riff between Dogs/Pies after last year, I defiantly believe Coll will use the PSD as leverage.

Another word would be were were bent over backwards and spanked.

 

[TakingThePies]

Saw him in one under 18s match and I think one vfl……fits a need from what I saw.


Another word would be were were bent over backwards and spanked.

Short term pain for long term gain. Sucks but had to be done.

 

[Piestration]

It’s an actual laugh on here sometimes reading comments.

Grundy apart from Crisp is the most durable player on our list. He never misses a game, he always shows up and plays well, even his poor games are good but are just critiqued to the sh*t because we’ve seen him play at higher levels before. $900k/22 games ever year equates to 40k a game.

What makes me laugh is absolutely NONE of you have a problem paying JDG and Moore, who are both criminal in terms of missing games basically the same amount of money.
Moore has missed 17 games over the last 3 years which is nearly a full year or an 850k contract. JDG has also missed 17 games in the last 3 years. 34 games missed combined, which is around 1.2$ million when you combine them together.

If you wanna babble on about ‘hamstring’ contracts that hurt clubs, how about you look at some other players on our list, who frankly, are doing far worse for us, but yet you never hear anyone complain about them.

And to make things worse, I think you could honestly count on one hand the amount of games Moore and JDG have won us off their own accord in the last 3 years. Grundy time and time again has led from the front to pull us over the line. That’s what you pay for with big $ contracts.

That's because no other player on our list is on a 7 year deal.

No one complained about Wells and Beams you reckon? Greenwood, Langdon also had misfortune but lucky for us they weren't tied in for 7 years.