List Mgmt. Trade and F/A - Part 3

[Scodog10]

Lobb won't help them. He's a very ordinary ruck and his goal kicking average isn't very good either.

In a trade for English he would if Fremantle are subsidising his wage. He offers a much better foil for Naughton with his contested marking. JUH and Darcy can’t offer that, who knows when/ how Bruce returns and they’re win now so he should be a consideration at the very least. The catch is they’d still need to find a ruck option to replace Martin because at his best he’s a 10-15 game player in 2022.

 

[Gone Critical]

Rendell seems quite bullish.
Reckons this is a quick fix and turnaround.
Tipped us for the 8 next year....
He either knows something we dont about the players on the list or he has no idea what he is on about.

He was even more bullish on us last year. Kelly, Browns, Sier etc we’re all to break out. I think he is over enthusiastic about a list he was involved in

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

He was even more bullish on us last year. Kelly, Browns, Sier etc we’re all to break out. I think he is over enthusiastic about a list he was involved in

Exactly, l think a fair bit of his enthusiasm in our list, is to pump up or stroke his own ego...

 

[Scodog10]

He was even more bullish on us last year. Kelly, Browns, Sier etc we’re all to break out. I think he is over enthusiastic about a list he was involved in

Little bit of self congratulating from a guy that was outside trying to get back in, IMO. He’s incentivised to not run down the list for a few years yet.

 

[manicpie]

He was even more bullish on us last year. Kelly, Browns, Sier etc we’re all to break out. I think he is over enthusiastic about a list he was involved in

Our player development has been woeful for quite a few years now. It didn't help having a head coach with a thick skull. A lot of what Rendell said has made sense. Sometimes I think it's our supporters who are salty, not Rendell. Not having a go at you specificly, just in general

 

[unplugged]

Little bit of self congratulating from a guy that was outside trying to get back in, IMO. He’s incentivised to not run down the list for a few years yet.

Exactly. He's partly responsible for our list build, so I'd have been very surprised if he ripped in and called it rubbish.

 

[Quicky]

In a trade for English he would if Fremantle are subsidising his wage. He offers a much better foil for Naughton with his contested marking. JUH and Darcy can’t offer that, who knows when/ how Bruce returns and they’re win now so he should be a consideration at the very least. The catch is they’d still need to find a ruck option to replace Martin because at his best he’s a 10-15 game player in 2022.

Lobb is very overrated. He takes some really clean contested marks so looks a million bucks. But he doesn't do enough of it or other aspects of the game to contribute much. I don't think he'd be a good pickup for them.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

If the Madge is not seriously thinking about applying for a new job by the end of the working week.. I will not be renewing my membership.

I have absolutely had it up to my eyeballs with this shit man.. I can't anymore.. I'm done.

 

[loki04]

Melbourne in the last few years have added Lever, May and Brown. That is how you do it. Use your early picks for best available and fill holes through trade.

Yes fill holes with trade but that is not exclusive to just KPP holes.

They also invested in the draft.

Also to land quality GUN KPP in trades is much harder then people pretend not only do you need one ro actually want out of their original club but then u need to win the bidding war on them.

I think T.Lynch and J.Cameron should have us show caution on ignoring the draft in favour of one day landing some other clubs big fish.

Melb also lucked out that other clubs baulked at a 70 goal a ff in Brown and Norf had a firesale moment.

Lever cost them.

Mcdonald is also a handy kpp through draft.

May they invested pick 6 and also got Kolijashne.

Weid and others drafted who ultimately put pressure on the 22 kpp.

Based on the personnel. It seems you rate Darcy Moore very differently to me but he can be the best CHB in the league. Howe one of the best intercepters. Maynard one of the best general defenders. Plenty of drive from Crisp and Quaynor. Roughead rarely gets beaten. I rate Ruscoe + Nick Daicos likely begins his footy journey at half back. That group can be league best and is the foundation we should build from.

Yep but Roughy (31 in 2022) and Howe (32 in 22) both in 30s and time is not on their side.

 

[loki04]

I’m sure if you took the time to have a close look he’s had plenty of misses. The most glaring one currently being Weideman over H McKay.

Every recruiter will have misses but if the ledger swings too far too one side there's an issue especially with first and 2nd rounders

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Rendell seems quite bullish.
Reckons this is a quick fix and turnaround.
Tipped us for the 8 next year....
He either knows something we dont about the players on the list or he has no idea what he is on about.

If I'm being honest, I've been saying in the BigFooty Pies Discord that I think we make the 8 too. If enough stuff can go right.

 

[Scodog10]

Lobb is very overrated. He takes some really clean contested marks so looks a million bucks. But he doesn't do enough of it or other aspects of the game to contribute much. I don't think he'd be a good pickup for them.

In a trade for English though if Lobb’s wage were subsidised? I’d personally argue English is also overrated and done less than Lobb to justify it. Considering English would be moving to be with his partner I think acquiring Lobb would be making the best of a bad situation (I’m completely ruling Darcy out).

FWIW if we moved two of Cameron, Lynch and Cox plus Fremantle subsidised his wage I would take Lobb off their hands.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Under the context/cloud of our Draft situation and Cap squeeze, we could do a LOT worse than adding Daicos, Lipinski and Kreuger this off season.

 

[Frankie23]

Under the context/cloud of our Draft situation and Cap squeeze, we could do a LOT worse than adding Daicos, Lipinski and Kreuger this off season.

If we get Lipinski, Kreuger and keep our 2022 1st and 2nd round picks in tact then I'll consider it win. That's the benchmark i'll be judging our trade period on.

Really need to go into the 2022 Trade/FA period all guns blazing, we'll have a fair idea where out list sits this time next year.

 

[manicpie]

If we get Lipinski, Kreuger and keep our 2022 1st and 2nd round picks in tact then I'll consider it win. That's the benchmark i'll be judging our trade period on.

Really need to go into the 2022 Trade/FA period all guns blazing, we'll have a fair idea where out list sits this time next year.

Yeah, I don't think we will be doing much more than Lipinski and Krueger this year. We could add stengle and another KPP from DFA. I reckon we are going to go hard next year

 

[well left]

In a trade for English though if Lobb’s wage were subsidised? I’d personally argue English is also overrated and done less than Lobb to justify it. Considering English would be moving to be with his partner I think acquiring Lobb would be making the best of a bad situation (I’m completely ruling Darcy out).

FWIW if we moved two of Cameron, Lynch and Cox plus Fremantle subsidised his wage I would take Lobb off their hands.

Interesting thought Sco and I was of the same impression. I just did the comparison on the AFL site though and their seasons were pretty much on par. Lobb the slightly better forward at 1.5 goals per game compared to 1.2, 1.5 score involvements more per game and slightly more contested marks inside 50 but Cameron the better ruck.

You instinctively go with Cameron as the younger player whereas he’s 26 compared to Lobb’s 28.

All in all it’s probably a sideways move that doesn’t improve us dramatically.


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[TakingThePies]

Anyone worried by the lack of draft picks to match the daicos bid?
Whos going to get offloaded for picks to make it happen?

No, because there are multiple ways and trades to get done to get picks. People thinking Collingwood are genuinely panicking about it are silly.

Cox will go, Lynch likely plus can upgrade picks for points.

 

[Scodog10]

Interesting thought Sco and I was of the same impression. I just did the comparison on the AFL site though and their seasons were pretty much on par. Lobb the slightly better forward at 1.5 goals per game compared to 1.2, 1.5 score involvements more per game and slightly more contested marks inside 50 but Cameron the better ruck.

You instinctively go with Cameron as the younger player whereas he’s 26 compared to Lobb’s 28.

All in all it’s probably a sideways move that doesn’t improve us dramatically.


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For me in terms of where my mind instinctively goes it’s value and I see value in Lobb if Fremantle are paying part of his wage or his trade cost is non existent*. The improvement comes from the trade capital we acquire for moving those players on rather than what Lobb does v Cameron for instance.

Playing it out further I think Cameron gets us a top 25 pick which might be Brisbane’s 2022 1st (with later pick swaps involved) and if you supplement that loss with Lobb you haven’t lost anything on field, but you’ve gained a further 1st Rd pick which you can either hold or trade into the 2021 draft.

There’s clearly a lot of moving parts there so I’m not suggesting that’s what we should do rather that it’s an avenue we should consider.

*I think the catch is that unless you’re dealing with Ned Guy you don’t get both a trade and salary discount and we’d need both to bring Lobb in.

 

[Horaceg]

Can we now be sure the Kangas will pick Horne at number 1, considering his performances in the SANFL finals. Im sure they now consider him the best player in the open draft, surely....Hopefully Daic's is bidded on at 3 or 4.....

I'm resigned to Nick Daicos going at 1, what other Clubs decide is up to them.

There is benefit to Norf getting the No 1 draft pick, media, loyalty, 10k bonus. Unless they come out and say either way, we won't know until the draft. They may even consider Horne the best kid in the draft but decide they want us to pay full whack.

 

[Horaceg]

If the Madge is not seriously thinking about applying for a new job by the end of the working week.. I will not be renewing my membership.

I have absolutely had it up to my eyeballs with this sh*t man.. I can't anymore.. I'm done.

I'm not a fan of Madge the footballer, I think we can do better but he gives it a crack every week, stop playing the man, go those who allow him to play if that's the way you see it.

He seems like a pretty decent human being.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I think we need to really have a look at the DFAs and UFAs this year as experience top up to help kids out and fill holes for next year.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

I'm not a fan of Madge the footballer, I think we can do better but he gives it a crack every week, stop playing the man, go those who allow him to play if that's the way you see it.

He seems like a pretty decent human being.

Not having a crack at the Madge per se.. his history.. future prospects.. bleak re. He's a delist job or a steaknive in a trade.

Couldn't care less if he's a decent human being either. Not sure what that's got to do with the price of a Mortan Bay bug re.

 

[JLC]

I think we need to really have a look at the DFAs and UFAs this year as experience top up to help kids out and fill holes for next year.

I agree the current list has holes.

If the holes are due to the inexperience then the question is, why do we have salary cap issues?

What area of the ground do we have a surplus of players?

Which ever way you slice the salary cap ie apportioning the cap by:

a) positions on the ground I.e. spend 20% on defenders, 40% mids and 40% forwards
b) having a pyramid structure
c) salary based on age brackets
d) benchmarking against Melbourne

We clearly have over paid players that need to be identified and moved on.

If someone can show me a breakdown of our list whereby no one is over paid then I would love to see.

 

[TradeDraft]

Can we now be sure the Kangas will pick Horne at number 1, considering his performances in the SANFL finals. Im sure they now consider him the best player in the open draft, surely....Hopefully Daic's is bidded on at 3 or 4.....

It's no sure thing

 

[LuckyLee]

Lipinski is turning 24 and couldn't even crack Bulldogs emergencies, his value should be close to zero.

Lynch couldn't get games ahead of Cameron and Cox in a team that finished 17th. In the eyes of other Clubs, his value would be close to zero.

(As supporters, we have an unconscious bias towards over-rating our own players and undervaluing those of opposition teams)