List Mgmt. Trade and F/A - Part 3

[Piestration]

Jeremy Finlayson available. 25 years old. Averaging 4.5 marks and 1.3 goals per game. Start the Welcome thread TD.

Biggest Crab in the system but somehow he looks like a superstar and kicks bags when playing the Pies

 

[snagbreac]

First round compo picks for Beams retiring?

I wish. AFL house doesn't like Collingwood doing too well. It's interesting that financial strugglers Bulldogs, Tigers and Demons have won in the past six years.

 

[snagbreac]

Biggest Crab in the system but somehow he looks like a superstar and kicks bags when playing the Pies

He is not a professional. Apparently he's quite blasé at training and not very committed. Club is looking to relieve salary pressure more than anything.

 

[No SPIN]

Agree, Bianco could replace him at HB.

Bianco would be exposed for pace and size compared to Maynard. Bianco sadly could not cover a Darling or Reiwolt.
I’d prefer we tried Ruscoe to cover Maynard.

 

[Kirby]

The bad news is the team who finished 17th is once again stuck with a salary cap about to burst.

The good news is our senior players and leaders are doing extremely well financially.

 

[Mick F]

Herald Sun saying Giants might bid (edit: take) Mac Andrew at pick 2. That could certainly help the pies out

If I was North I would be nominating Daicos and Darcy.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I'm not as confident that Lipinski will give us the option of the PSD. According to reports, Carlton also pitched an offer at him, if the offers are similar, if I was him, I'd prefer the Blues to the PSD route with the uncertainty of North lurking in the background.

He won’t get picked up by North against his wishes. He’s not that big a name, despite Trade Radio banging on about him.

His agent will just say “you want to get to Collingwood? Sit tight and one way or another we’ll get you there”. It isn’t made “nearly impossible” by the Bulldogs offering a contract like the Fox Sports article suggests, and Carlton’s interest or lack thereof isn’t relevant either. He’s agreed to be traded to us, and we will have told him we’ll make it happen.

 

[Everybody Panic]

No one is paying is paying Lipinski $800,000 a year with the knowledge he will / could walk at the end of the year.

Pretty sure that means we would have to keep the 800k in our cap for next year, which is not going to happen given our troubles. We will pay for him, I wouldn't be surprised if it was 39 which will move down to 41 at least.

 

[whiskeytown]

He won’t get picked up by North against his wishes. He’s not that big a name, despite Trade Radio banging on about him.

His agent will just say “you want to get to Collingwood? Sit tight and one way or another we’ll get you there”. It isn’t made “nearly impossible” by the Bulldogs offering a contract like the Fox Sports article suggests, and Carlton’s interest or lack thereof isn’t relevant either. He’s agreed to be traded to us, and we will have told him we’ll make it happen.

If he doesn’t get to the pies by the end of trade week two things will happen

1) dogs will push the 3 deal back in front of him... pay him compliments... basically wine and dine him in the hope he changes his mind

2) NM will be on the phone promising his manager the same contract and the same midfield minutes as Collingwood

Cause he will be the best player available in the PSD... so why would a team crying out for quality like NM overlook him?

And Lipinski might just think to himself that North aren’t a bad club after all... so long as he gets to stay in Melbourne and play weekly... what’s the difference?

In saying all that, I think he gets to the pies for a future 3rd

 

[sr36]

Edmund and Looney are still going on about our pick swap for pick 1 this year calling it a nightmare.
We did what every club would do with a father-son in the wings otherwise it would be lost in the bid.
Got 3 picks in last years draft which were 24, 30 and a future 4th.
Used 24 for the McInnes bid, 30 for Poulter and used the future 4th for a pick swap with Brisbane. Not too shabby.
What don't they understand?

We didn't do what every other club would do. It has probably happened, but I'm not sure if I can think of any other club that has traded out the year before on the presumption that their and the kid involved's seasons would work out the way predicted. And in an off season with so much turmoil - making the upcoming season very unpredictable. And sold out for unders as well.

 

[partypie]

Trade radio just announced GWS will call Darcy then Daicos and JHF will go at 1 so North get that marketing boost.

I'd be checking the source if I were you...

 

[No SPIN]

Yeah, Lynch isn't agile or fast.

at least as good as Grundy on both, but Lynch has a better tank.

 

[partypie]

If I was North I would be nominating Daicos and Darcy.

And piss all over the aspirations of the player they will take in JHF, when he is on the record as saying that he is striving to be the #1 pick and, with his performance in the SANFL prelim last week against grown men, has probably done enough to warrant to actually be taken with pick #1 at this point (at least as much as Daicos or Darcy has)?

That wouldn't be a very smart move by the Kangaroos and I reckon it perhaps wouldn't excite Noble that much either given how morale and culture driven he is.

 

[Football God]

Here’s hoping with this new coaching set up we have, we gain an attractive style of footy and positive culture to be a destination club once again. For instance Lipinski’s leaving his boyhood club he supported to come to us. Things are looking bright!

 

[Go Woods]

https://www.afl.com.au/news/682701
Stengle anyone?

 

[No SPIN]

If he doesn’t get to the pies by the end of trade week two things will happen

1) dogs will push the 3 deal back in front of him... pay him compliments... basically wine and dine him in the hope he changes his mind

2) NM will be on the phone promising his manager the same contract and the same midfield minutes as Collingwood

Cause he will be the best player available in the PSD... so why would a team crying out for quality like NM overlook him?

And Lipinski might just think to himself that North aren’t a bad club after all... so long as he gets to stay in Melbourne and play weekly... what’s the difference?

In saying all that, I think he gets to the pies for a future 3rd

NM - are overloaded with midfielders, they’d be wasting their pick on Lipinski. And doubt he would be happy battling for a spot again.

 

[sr36]

He won’t get picked up by North against his wishes. He’s not that big a name, despite Trade Radio banging on about him.

His agent will just say “you want to get to Collingwood? Sit tight and one way or another we’ll get you there”. It isn’t made “nearly impossible” by the Bulldogs offering a contract like the Fox Sports article suggests, and Carlton’s interest or lack thereof isn’t relevant either. He’s agreed to be traded to us, and we will have told him we’ll make it happen.

I think you're probably right. We are the perfect club for him, in that he'll get games, as well as the opportunity to learn from some old masters. A fringe player wouldn't usually get that level of mentorship as well as such likelihood of being best 22. He should be trying hard to get to us.

But I also don't know if I would take that risk if I was Lipinski - as I wouldn't want to go to North. I don't see why we wouldn't be ruthless and use the pSD route, but under the same theory, I don't see why North wouldn't be ruthless and take him in the PSD if they rate him. To me there is a risk for Lipinski there and also for his manager who wouldn't want to piss off his client by saying -you'll definitely make it to Collingwood, when it isn't definite - unless North can walk someone into that draft first.

I actually don't think we'll either be ruthless or drag it right out. At the Hawks, GW generally did incredibly quick and amicable trades. Us both having father sons and wanting academy points might be a stumbling block though. Something neat involving Lynch would be ideal.

 

[partypie]

at least as good as Grundy on both, but Lynch had a better tank.

Don't confuse running 2k time trials with having a good tank.

Grundy's tank in an actual game is as good as any going around and I'd rate him well ahead of Lynch on that front until he (Lynch) has proven that he can make it to 80+ ruck contests in a game on the bigger grounds and still be a presence around the ground.

 

[Mavs13]

Let’s assume Collingwood plays hard ball with Maynard, Moore & Degeoy next year and says $600k max.
They all Walk. We get1st round compo picks for each of them.
We come 16th next year.
Does that mean we get pick 3, 4, 5, 6 in the draft?

 

[Go Woods]

Very interesting interview from GW.

Seems to me that GW is happy to stock pile some talls especially “ruckman” and he seemed to put Cox in that category.

Kreuger will have the opportunity to play forward.

Grundy, Lynch, Cox as ruck options.

Lipinski super versatile
—————————my thoughts
I still am happy to take the long odds that the club will try and offload Grundy.

To set a benchmark about contracts going forward then Grundy gets offloaded.

SEN saying one of Moore, Maynard, De Goey. Happy to lay those options.

Grundy would be my choice to trade, Moore, JDG and Maynard more valuable to us.

 

[partypie]

Let’s assume Collingwood plays hard ball with Maynard, Moore & Degeoy next year and says $600k max.
They all Walk. We get1st round compo picks for each of them.
We come 16th next year.
Does that mean we get pick 3, 4, 5, 6 in the draft?

Correct.

 

[No SPIN]

Don't confuse running 2k time trials with having a good tank.

Grundy's tank in an actual game is as good as any going around and I'd rate him well ahead of Lynch on that front until he (Lynch) has proven that he can make it to 80+ ruck contests in a game on the bigger grounds and still be a presence around the ground.

Not sure how you can dismiss the correlation so emphatically.

It’s logical that Lynch should manage at least equal 80 contest endurance, as Grundy, based on 2k endurance time trial.

 

[TradeDraft]

 

[gouki88]

Not sure how you can dismiss the correlation so emphatically.

It’s logical that Lynch should manage at least equal 80 contest endurance, as Grundy, based on 2k endurance time trial.

That isn't really logical at all. Running 2kms fast and rucking for 2 hours are not the same at all in terms of endurance,

 

[partypie]

Not sure how you can dismiss the correlation so emphatically.

It’s logical that Lynch should manage at least equal 80 contest endurance, as Grundy, based on 2k endurance time trial.

Pretty simple really, Grundy is a (relatively) poor 2km time trial runner and yet he has one of the biggest tanks ever seen on a ruckman.

Lynch runs a good 2k time trial but he hasn't done anything in a game yet to suggest that his good time trial performances carry over to functional endurance in the ruck position in a game of football (at AFL level), especially on bigger grounds.

There are many more aspects to endurance in football than running laps around a track under no physical pressure, indeed I'd venture to say that track-running type endurance has less impact on a ruck's performance than it would for say a midfielder.

It's not logical at all that Lynch should match Grundy's ability to get to contests on the field until he actually does it, you just want it to be to further whatever point it is you're making. I'm not saying that Lynch can't have (or rather develop) the same sort of elite functional endurance for a ruck that Grundy has, but he hasn't even come close to proving that yet, so to say that he automatically does just because he can run a faster 2k time trial doing laps on a track is a bit silly really.