Mega Thread Trade and List Management discussion

[Roscoe_au]

To be honest, I'd still rather Marchbank
Getting Wright, Marchbank, Menadue/Cockatoo/Garlett would be great way to start off the draft

BMac and Dalrymple are big on Jack Steele. There will be a look of utter horror if he goes earlier than 25.

Don't be surprised if we end up packaging a player and a second rounder for some thing in the teens.

 

[Roscoe_au]

And just on Greenwood, he would be a great addition. He'd end up sending Boyd to the VFL and probably Stevens to the bench.

Teach Boyd to go to the media to complain about his one year deal...

 

[Roscoe_au]

West was cooked and he even conceded that he was after he retired .

If you'd seen that game, West didn't move very quickly and got a lot of possessions from his knees. Still, an utter champion who in a better side might have snuck a Brownlow.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

To be fair, the worst of these were only raised as idle hypotheticals by posters with too much time on their hands while waiting for some real news.

BF being what it is these "hypotheticals" almost instantly assumed a gravitas and life of their own.
Before you can say boo it's being reported on the radio as the latest trade rumour ...

I've never once brought up a trade hypothetical. Admittedly, I have had a little too much time on my hands these past few days.

Now about Macrae...

 

[TempleKelvington]

The only reason I would lean towards Frawley is purely the what if. Draft picks are and always will be speculative at best. Paul Roos says it himself. We dont waste picks on Ruckmen. We get someone else to develop then we trade for them. Swans have done it for years. Even there key position players are mostly from other clubs. Talls are the most hardest to draft. Pick 5 for the kids could easily be delist in three years time. Pick 5 and Frawley you know what your getting. We may differ on price but I think we could agree on the principal.

Pick 5 or thereabouts gets you mids like Macrae, Stringer and the Bont, even if you want to go with the theory that you don't draft talls with high picks which totally disagree with anyway. Riewoldt, Franklin, Roughead were all high picks. I'd take Darcy Moore this draft in a heartbeat even above the other 2.

 

[TempleKelvington]

There is absolutely no way to judge a players worth objectively. Surely what other clubs are willing to pay for them (and taking into account their age) is the best we've got. If it isn't, offer a better way. Then add into that the need for equalisation meaning the picks are linked to ladder position and I think you've got a pretty decent system. Can' think of a better one.

I can don't have it at all.

 

[TempleKelvington]

The AFL said it themselves last year that free agency compensation was never meant to be fair. It was never meant to provide a like-for-like replacement to a club, it was to ensure that clubs were not left empty-handed at the end of the free agency period.

Obviously the compensation favours more lower placed clubs, but that's not a bad thing IMO.

Why can't it be fair? The whole idea of free agency was to allow older players the ability to move to get opportunity, it could be fair too. Why not? Logic suggests it could achieve both.

 

[TempleKelvington]

I always though of Macrae more as a Stevie-J type of player, a creative midfielder
completely different player to Dangerfield

I hate these comparisons but for my 2 cents worth (for the kiddies on here it's old currency made from copper), Jong is more like Danger then Macrae.

 

[TempleKelvington]

Jong will play as a tagger next year. Wallis will go straight into the midfield.

I really hope not. Jong is an attacking beast. He just needs to be allowed to go and get the pill and take the game on with his bursts out of traffic. Wally, has the happy knack of getting his own pill while restricting his opponent. Wally is my man to do the run with jobbies in the a similar vein as Ling did. Wally is already in the midfield.

 

[TempleKelvington]

Inside mid!!!!!!!

As for the Jong tagging thing, my god he'd need to improve his tank to get anywhere near that role. Watched him live try and follow Gibbs around last year. Couldn't get within 20m of the guy. Jong is a burst player at this point in his career. Role him through the midfield but don't make him tag.

I don't want wallis tagging this year either. Picken and Boyd can share the duties IMO. Or if we land greenwood, just have Boyd, wallis and greenwood playing strong defensive mid roles rather than hard tags.

Half agree....just posted my thoughts on Jong and Wally. Jong is better at just getting his own ball and taking the game on. Wally is the ideal run with. In my ideal world, neither Boyd or Picko make my best 22 next year. Picko maybe gets a role as back pocket stopper. Boydy comes in and out, plays the sub at times. Much like Gia.

 

[TempleKelvington]

It's looking like to get Reece Mckenzie is going to need a late first rounder now. If we can't trade up to ensure we get Wright or McCartin then we need to trade up to get another late first rounder.

In theory that has got to be easier. I will be disappointed if we can't get one of these forwards.

 

[inyourfacedunk]

And just on Greenwood, he would be a great addition. He'd end up sending Boyd to the VFL and probably Stevens to the bench.

Teach Boyd to go to the media to complain about his one year deal...

Boyd went to the media to complain about the 1 year deal?
Really?

Is this the same as when you wanted Minson out because he allegedly walked out on his player review, even though they made it clear that he and Macca walked out together?

This is why people get so upset with players and the club. People like you make up stories and pass them off as fact. Too much time spent on the Bulldogs facebook page.

 

[Zephiisdaman]

To be honest, I'd still rather Marchbank
Getting Wright, Marchbank, Menadue/Cockatoo/Garlett would be great way to start off the draft

Don't think Wright is going to fall to us. Hope I am wrong, but way I see it unless we dumbly trade up to get an earlier draft pick then I don't see how we can get Wright.

 

[Gmod23]

Don't think Wright is going to fall to us. Hope I am wrong, but way I see it unless we dumbly trade up to get an earlier draft pick then I don't see how we can get Wright.

I can't see us being able to move up in the draft. Might be better off moving our first pick back in the draft and get 2 later first rounders to get McKenzie and KPD that will be available mid first round.

 

[_M_16_]

I can't see us being able to move up in the draft. Might be better off moving our first pick back in the draft and get 2 later first rounders to get McKenzie and KPD that will be available mid first round.

And then when we trade back, and Wright slips to pick 5 in the draft. That's why I think it is important to sit tight and not move back based on what may or may not happen. When the percentage of a key forward sliding is fairly high at this stage. Imagine the shit storm it will create if that happened. That is the main reason why I feel we won't even think of dropping back.

And Gold Coast will not give up two first rounder's just to move up two places, so unless we traded all of our picks in the 20's its hard to pull off. McKenzie and Marchbank could slide anyway, and I would rather be in the running for Lever and Durdin at pick 5, a potential A grade player, rather than be left over with likely B graders. One of those two might not even be there come the latter pick. Would rather use three picks 5, 25 and 26 on a potential A grader and two potential B graders, as opposed to just two picks at 9 and mid teens which are likely to be B graders.

The more picks inside the top 30 the better. That's just my opinion though Run with what we have

 

[Gmod23]

And then when we trade back, and Wright slips to pick 5 in the draft. That's why I think it is important to sit tight and not move back based on what may or may not happen. When the percentage of a key forward sliding is fairly high at this stage. Imagine the shit storm it will create if that happened. That is the main reason why I feel we won't even think of dropping back.

And Gold Coast will not give up two first rounder's just to move up two places, so unless we traded all of our picks in the 20's its hard to pull off. McKenzie and Marchbank could slide anyway, and I would rather be in the running for Lever and Durdin at pick 5, a potential A grade player, rather than be left over with likely B graders. One of those two might not even be there come the latter pick. Would rather use three picks 5, 25 and 26 on a potential A grader and two potential B graders, as opposed to just two picks at 9 and mid teens which are likely to be B graders.

The more picks inside the top 30 the better. That's just my opinion though Run with what we have

I see the price to move up as probably too high. Why did the team play so well rather than possibly no trying to win this year to get a higher draft pick?

 

[_M_16_]

I see the price to move up as probably too high. Why did the team play so well rather than possibly no trying to win this year to get a higher draft pick?

Because we'd get in a lot of crap from the AFL and lose all of our picks completely if you were suggesting we should have tanked

It may cost us a bit, but we won't be that stupid to give up anything completely absurd. Sometimes you have to make big sacrifices to get what you want. Paid of for the Hawks big time.

Would have to give up something to drop back and get two picks in the teens anyway. Drop back pick 5, then trade up a second round pick or two to get a second one in there. I would still rather have more picks in the top 30, than just a couple. I think two picks in the teens, and two picks in the 20's wouldn't be to far a part in the type of player we can get from them. The only difference is, one we keep pick 5 and draft a player likely to be better than any two players in the teens.

 

[EASTWESTDOGS]

The only young players i would trade to get better draft pick is Hrovat and Wallis not sure that will get the draft picks we need to get that KPF we need.
I would just go to the draft with what we have or maybe try package up our two 2nd round picks trying to get a late first round pick off Sydney,Hawks,North or the Bombers and hope Reece Mckenzie is available at that late first round.
I doubt the Bombers would help us out after Crameri last year.
So just go to the draft Doggies build our own.

 

[_M_16_]

The only young players i would trade to get better draft pick is Hrovat and Wallis not sure that will get the draft picks we need to get that KPF we need.
I would just go to the draft with what we have or maybe try package up our two 2nd round picks trying to get a late first round pick off Sydney,Hawks,North or the Bombers and hope Reece Mckenzie is available at that late first round.
I doubt the Bombers would help us out after Crameri last year.
So just go to the draft Doggies build our own.

We will be paying massive overs just to go up three places by giving up a young star as well, as much as a couple of smug Melbourne fans think we should give up more, and that they rightfully deserve it. The only way I can see a deal working and being fair, would be something like

Bulldogs: Wallis and Pick 5
Demons: Pick 2 and a 2nd or 3rd rounder

Or even Pick 5 and 25, for Pick 2, is a fair and reasonable trade if you took into account how the NFL grades each pick by a points worth system. But unfortunately the AFL is a very greedy industry and people are always overvaluing things or demanding so much more than what something is truly worth.

To me that is very fair, Wallis is worth more than just a measly 3 pick upgrade, so the value is still rather in Melbourne's favour. So I think a later pick in return will balance the trade out a bit and be fair to both parties. Melbourne get a good young midfielder with already three years in the system, and will probably be better than Brayshaw, and can use pick 5 on a key defender to replace Frawley. And the Dogs get their key forward and a later pick to build more depth.

Keep seeing things like us having to give up Pick 5, Pick 25 AND a young star as well. Would be pissed off if we gave up that much, as to me that is massive overs. If we have to give up something like that, would rather sit put and take the chance on a forward sliding instead. And then watch the negative brigade tear every forum apart when we don't land one, and didn't sell the farm to destroy the team like many of those dimwits want. Better than giving up to much in my opinion.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

FFS, we're not trading Griffen, we're not trading Wallis.
Wallis wears the #3, has history with the bulldogs and before his injury was one of our best players. It's no coincidence that our dip late in the year coincided with his injury.

 

[Wizard17]

Anybody else think that Michael Talia could be part of the talks with the KPD depth of this draft?

 

[ThirdLegUp]

Goes by the name of DANIEL CROSS

whose he? lol. forgot all about crossy, was thnking that nicholson or mckenzie or nathan jones or some such egg head.

 

[VitalDread]

FFS, we're not trading Griffen, we're not trading Wallis.
Wallis wears the #3, has history with the bulldogs and before his injury was one of our best players. It's no coincidence that our dip late in the year coincided with his injury.

silly season, it's called the silly season

 

[VitalDread]

Anybody else think that Michael Talia could be part of the talks with the KPD depth of this draft?

Why would we trade a KPP player thats playing pretty well in the vfl and will be a top 22 player within two years (i.e. morris finishing his career)

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Why would we trade a KPP player thats playing pretty well in the vfl and will be a top 22 player within two years (i.e. morris finishing his career)

He'll be a best 22 player this year, with Roberts
Roughead will be a swingman, will play forward, ruck, or back, depending on the flexibility and role needed given the opposition.