Mega Thread Trade and List Management discussion

[Dav1d]

Ok enough's enough. Let's get back on how we get our team better.

Hmm

Mid season trades, for or against it?

 

[gangsta deluxe]

Ummm I reckon some roids might make the players all buff and shit. Good strategy to make the team better Pan?

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Hmm

Mid season trades, for or against it?

For

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Ummm I reckon some roids might make the players all buff and shit. Good strategy to make the team better Pan?

Ok then. That's an unusual turn in events.

 

[Yojimbo]

Hmm

Mid season trades, for or against it?

For- If it is between two AFL clubs who may have an excess in a certain
area and a deficiency in another that is highlighted by injury. (west coast
key defenders)

Against- The argument that you have had plenty of opportunity to plan
your recruiting strategy, and it is a little arrogant to think the big clubs
can raid smaller teams or leagues and cherry pick their stars to fill needs.

Probably against on balance, but you would need too see the model first.

 

[Hrovat24]

Players would then mid season want to go to the clubs that are a chance at a flag , would be the same result as free agency

 

[Yojimbo]

Players would then mid season want to go to the clubs that are a chance at a flag , would be the same result as free agency

It's hard to legislate for bad luck and when they do it does not take the
smart people long to find a loophole and exploit it.

 

[BRWB]

All for a mid season draft in the bye round. Could add a lot of interest to the AFL.

However, I would restrict it to players who are not on an AFL list, or of the AFL listed players - no first , second or third year players; or AFL listed players who have played less than say 10 games out of the 42 games prior.

Without restrictions like the above, we are just creating FA on roids which is fine if we want the Hawks/Syd to win the next 20 GFs.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Hmm

Mid season trades, for or against it?

Please god no.

NBA is dreadful because of such movement. If you don't keep up with the news for any day during the year, you could wake up the next morning and find that half your team is different. I like being able to look at the list and know who I'll be supporting for the year. It's an added challenge as well - manage your list appropriately over the off-season as you are stuck with that list of 44 for the year.

 

[Zgope1]

nah i like Chris Scott's comments. There's something to the art of list management that means you need to be somewhat prepared for everything

 

[TimlinOfficial]

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl...ialSF&utm_source=HeraldSun&utm_medium=Twitter

Thoughts? $650k is far too much imo

 

[TedDougChris]

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl...ialSF&utm_source=HeraldSun&utm_medium=Twitter

Thoughts? $650k is far too much imo

Agreed. Role player, not KPP or match winning. A highlight reel yes, player to win you a flag - probably not....

 

[TBOW]

Please god no.

NBA is dreadful because of such movement. If you don't keep up with the news for any day during the year, you could wake up the next morning and find that half your team is different. I like being able to look at the list and know who I'll be supporting for the year. It's an added challenge as well - manage your list appropriately over the off-season as you are stuck with that list of 44 for the year.

Yeah, that's pretty much my feeling on it too. Would hate to see guys in our jumper one week & someone elses the next.

Lets get future pick trading happening first regardless. Needs to come in asap.

On future picks- if it was bought in would people be happy to trade this years first round pick for Carlisle & next years for WHE?

That would be 3 consecutive years without a high pick...

 

[Yojimbo]

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl...ialSF&utm_source=HeraldSun&utm_medium=Twitter

Thoughts? $650k is far too much imo

$400k to $500k would be more realistic.
How would you know though, how indeed ?

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Yeah, that's pretty much my feeling on it too. Would hate to see guys in our jumper one week & someone elses the next.

Lets get future pick trading happening first regardless. Needs to come in asap.

On future picks- if it was bought in would people be happy to trade this years first round pick for Carlisle & next years for WHE?

That would be 3 consecutive years without a high pick...

If that were to happen, we're selecting and investing high picks players young enough to get value out of them - also players who you can bet are worth a top pick, unlike the luck of the draw with drafting. Their exposed form warrants high picks. The problem manifests itself when you start throwing around 1st rd picks for 28-30yo players. That leaves a hole in your list. If you're throwing them at younger players, you don't get the dreaded "5 year gap" in your list.

 

[TedDougChris]

On future picks- if it was bought in would people be happy to trade this years first round pick for Carlisle & next years for WHE?

That would be 3 consecutive years without a high pick...

I'm completely opposed to the trading of future picks. Not just at our club, but across the league. You'll see some clubs selling out their forseeable future on a pipedream, it'll bring clubs to their knees - Melbourne style....

As an example, imagine trading next years pick and missing out on the next Fyfe/Bontempelli..... Personally, I'm seriously against the concept.

 

[TimlinOfficial]

Yeah, that's pretty much my feeling on it too. Would hate to see guys in our jumper one week & someone elses the next.

Lets get future pick trading happening first regardless. Needs to come in asap.

On future picks- if it was bought in would people be happy to trade this years first round pick for Carlisle & next years for WHE?

That would be 3 consecutive years without a high pick...

Love the idea of future picks trading. Don't think it would be too big an issue due to the relative youth of those two players

 

[BallaratBulldog]

Well Carlsie is 23 not 30. Will the next great midfielder win us a premiership or will a key defender?

Ultimately you need to back in your recruiter"s knowledge and be confident.

 

[TedDougChris]

If you're throwing them at younger players, you don't get the dreaded "5 year gap" in your list.

You would still get the gap if the players were injured (Daisy Thomas), misbehaved (Andrew Lovett), retired (personal reasons), reached 3 strikes, became disillusioned with the club - whole raft of reasons.

I accept that the same applies of draftees, but it still creates a potential issue in my view.

 

[nathy]

Yes Fronk clearly stated he has inside info. Likewise with Pann.

So he will be in a doggies jumper next year? I highly doubt that! I guess we can all just cream towards the ceiling and hope for the best!

 

[Hrovat24]

So he will be in a doggies jumper next year? I highly doubt that! I guess we can all just cream towards the ceiling and hope for the best!

Why doubt him ? You have been around 5 minutes give people a chance before judge them

 

[TBOW]

I'm completely opposed to the trading of future picks. Not just at our club, but across the league. You'll see some clubs selling out their forseeable future on a pipedream, it'll bring clubs to their knees - Melbourne style....

As an example, imagine trading next years pick and missing out on the next Fyfe/Bontempelli..... Personally, I'm seriously against the concept.

But surely that is each clubs prerogative?

List management has come a huge distance in the last ten years. I think all clubs would be confident of not shooting themselves in the foot.

As an alternate hypothetical, imagine Fyfe or Bontempelli requesting a trade to Hawthorn. How on earth would you get a commensurate deal when their first round pick is 18 and their second is 36?

 

[nathy]

Why doubt him ? You have been around 5 minutes give people a chance before judge them

Not judging him at all! hes probably a good bloke, I just highly doubt it!

 

[Hrovat24]

Not judging him at all! hes probably a good bloke, I just highly doubt it!

Carlisle will most likely stay but was a big Bulldogs supporter as a kid and still loves the club , fonk is a player agent so has heard rumours carlisle wants out another poster a richmond supporter has said its essendon or us have faith mate

 

[Dogsman16]

I'm completely opposed to the trading of future picks. Not just at our club, but across the league. You'll see some clubs selling out their forseeable future on a pipedream, it'll bring clubs to their knees - Melbourne style....

As an example, imagine trading next years pick and missing out on the next Fyfe/Bontempelli..... Personally, I'm seriously against the concept.

I would love trading future picks. I reckon trade week and interest in the season would go up ten fold.

Heres a good example/hypothetical.

Lets just say Melbourne persuaded Fyfe to leave the dockers for a big money contract at the end of the season. Freo would rightly demand Judd like compensation. So lets say Melbourne gave up a top 4 pick + jeremy howe and to add to that they also gave up their 2016 first rounder.

Freo fans would take great interest in where that first rounder was to land, Melbourne could easily rise up the ladder with the best player in the game, or they could lose a couple of players to injury, Fyfe underperforms and they get the spoon.

So essentially Freo get say 2015 (pick 3), Howe and 2016 (pick 1). If you want to steal the best player in the game you should be forced to take a big gamble. Freo could make a killing out of a bad situation. Also the dees wouldn't want to be near the bottom of the ladder. Tanking could be somewhat removed as Melbourne wouldn't want to give freo a huge legup. Dee's would be determined to make sure that pick falls outside the top 10.

I'd love for it to happen.