Strategy Trade and List Management thread 3 (...The pining for the departed. Edition)

[josh the gent]

I disagree with the idea that the draft is the panacea to an even competition. 3 teams have dominated the last decade.

The competition is now consistently losing talented young players because the system pushes them a days travel away from family and friends. Players are starting to choose family and friends over playing in the AFL. It's a worrying trend IMO.

I really like the idea that the Perth teams are predominantly made up of western Australians for example. Encourage all teams to develop their own through academies. They can still pay market rates for them at the draft, and we have caps on player salary and footy department spend as other equalisation measures as well.

I just think it's something the AFL should be talking about.

Disagree.

The draft may not be the answer by itself, but it's a big part of the answer.

Pretty sure Hawthorn, Geelong and Sydney have had high football dept spends too - which is where the playing field is currently not level.

Worse still, are the academies brought in for Sydney, GWS, Brisbane (if they could ever keep their players), and Gold Coast - which are an absolute disgrace to the integrity of the competition. So was Sydney / GWS getting COLA.

Purely measures designed to ensure those teams stay near the top - i.e. Unbalance the comp.

That alone will turn people away from the game more than anything else.

My view, is that the Execs at AFL should be punted.

 

[ossie_21]

I think players should just harden the **** up & play for who they are drafted by. Free agency is breeding a generation of disloyalty.

 

[Fossie 32]

I think players should just harden the **** up & play for who they are drafted by. Free agency is breeding a generation of disloyalty.

Yes, and I think for supporters loyalty is one of the great aspects of the game but the way it is going this is going down the drain.
Care factor for AFL = $$ >>> daylight >>> other stuff

Edit - hmm I actually based my avatar on a loyalty theme hehe

 

[AliPud]

Every club should have an academy or no club should have an academy:
"1 for all and all for 1"

 

[Boristown]

Every club should have an academy or no club should have an academy:
"1 for all and all for 1"

I would prefer to risk losing some kids in those non traditional areas to other sports, rather than advantage one club over others.

 

[dogzrule]

I would prefer to risk losing some kids in those non traditional areas to or sports, rather than advantage one club over others.

especially when it undermines the evenness of the competition

 

[The Original Swooper]

A full state orientated draft could not work. SA WA run away laughing 10 VIC clubs sharing one state (probably sans Riverina gifted to NSW) is going back to the days we don't need to revisit, but our northern teams would be hit worst. So......

What about the player nominates for a State draft or a National Draft ? The State based noms get a lower based contract than those nominating to go to the Nats. Lower salary is qualified and offset by the eradication of travelling to parts unknown ?

Or.... A home state biased bidding system for say the 1st, and maybe 2nd rounds ?

 

[Bont2Bruce]

Hamling article today on afl website includes a headline about being closer to his ill father.

Hamling wanted move home to be with ill father

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-15/joel-hamling-wanted-move-home-to-be-with-ill-father

Does anyone know if his dad is in Perth or Cable Beach?

 

[Testekill]

Hamling article today on afl website includes a headline about being closer to his ill father.

Hamling wanted move home to be with ill father

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-15/joel-hamling-wanted-move-home-to-be-with-ill-father

Does anyone know if his dad is in Perth or Cable Beach?

I think that his dad lives in Denmark, WA.

 

[Pugz89]

Think this is relevant for this thread.. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...ialSF&utm_source=HeraldSun&utm_medium=Twitter

 

[Dogs Rule]

Hamling article today on afl website includes a headline about being closer to his ill father.

Hamling wanted move home to be with ill father

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-15/joel-hamling-wanted-move-home-to-be-with-ill-father

Does anyone know if his dad is in Perth or Cable Beach?

Sometimes I wish players would just be upfront in the first place. If you want to go home because of a sick parent, say so, if you want to play with your best mate, say so, if you prefer the surf beaches somewhere else, say so.

Not questioning Hamling, but the sick parent thing seems to be used a hell of a lot these days and it's hard not to think it's sometimes a convienent excuse.

 

[ringa5]

Hamling article today on afl website includes a headline about being closer to his ill father.

Hamling wanted move home to be with ill father

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-15/joel-hamling-wanted-move-home-to-be-with-ill-father

Does anyone know if his dad is in Perth or Cable Beach?

Good luck to Hamling.
But save the bull----.Just like Harbrow Gold coast _Cairns.
Cable beach _Perth.
Amazing how players all over the world play for Real Madrid etc make plenty of money.
And never complain about being homesick.
Anyway Hamling will always be a bulldog 2016 immortal.Beat Lance Franklin.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Nice headline. Sounds much better than "Hamling went home for more cash and an extra year." Wouldn't sell as many papers, that one.

 

[murphy2bedabest]

i really couldn't care less about Hamling leaving. he's gone lets get over it, we have at least 7 guys who will be coming back into this side hungry for success, a young core playing group who don't want to settle for just one and the best coach in the comp who players want to play for and will not let them ease up.

no other side still has so much upside to their team, no other side has the confidence that they can do anything, anywhere, anytime like we do.

how we are $6 to go back to back is beyond me, there is nothing we can't do in 2017, no challenge too great, no mountain too high.

 

[ScragCity]

i really couldn't care less about Hamling leaving. he's gone lets get over it, we have at least 7 guys who will be coming back into this side hungry for success, a young core playing group who don't want to settle for just one and the best coach in the comp who players want to play for and will not let them ease up.

no other side still has so much upside to their team, no other side has the confidence that they can do anything, anywhere, anytime like we do.

how we are $6 to go back to back is beyond me, there is nothing we can't do in 2017, no challenge too great, no mountain too high.

$6 represents good value id think. GWS and Sydney are our only threats and we've had Sydneys measure for a couple years now. Also we have beaten GWS 2 out of 3 times in the last 2 years and the one game we lost to them we were fielding a VFL quality side on their home deck.

 

[SCRAY72]

Seen several phantom drafts with the Dogs taking Marshall at 18.
Has there been an orchestrated leak from within?
Or are people just assuming the Dogs will take him because most of our tall forwards are over 28 years old?

 

[Dogsman16]

Seen several phantom drafts with the Dogs taking Marshall at 18.
Has there been an orchestrated leak from within?
Or are people just assuming the Dogs will take him because most of our tall forwards are over 28 years old?

Nah Because it seems he will slide and we have been linked to him.

And why wouldn't we be. Every other aspect of our house is in pretty good order except our tall forwards and rucks. English won't make to 18 (and I wouldn't take him anyway). Perfect opportunity to take the best key forward available.

I like Ryan with that second pick would instantly fill Morris/Boyd intercepting roles when they retire. I like berry too.

 

[immortalmike]

Nice headline. Sounds much better than "Hamling went home for more cash and an extra year." Wouldn't sell as many papers, that one.

Doubt a headline including Hamling is going to sell many papers regardless.

 

[SCRAY72]

Nah Because it seems he will slide and we have been linked to him.

And why wouldn't we be. Every other aspect of our house is in pretty good order except our tall forwards and rucks. English won't make to 18 (and I wouldn't take him anyway). Perfect opportunity to take the best key forward available.

I like Ryan with that second pick would instantly fill Morris/Boyd intercepting roles when they retire. I like berry too.

Freo should take English.
I think Williams is a good replacement for Boyd
Morris is irreplaceable

Good deep draft, smart move to trade into top 30.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Doubt a headline including Hamling is going to sell many papers regardless.

Unless "Swine and Fish Monthly" becomes a big seller.

 

[Bemoreboyddog]

I'm uneasy about Marshall...

 

[murphy2bedabest]

I'm uneasy about Marshall...

How come ?

 

[Dav1d]

I'm uneasy about Marshall...

You were uneasy about every single final to
Didn't turn out so bad

 

[ScragCity]

Marshall will be a gun. I'd be happy with him at 18. Would prefer English but don't see him sliding

 

[Dogs Rule]

I'm not uneasy about anything. We won the flag!