Strategy Trade and List Management thread 3 (...The pining for the departed. Edition)

[The Inbetweener]

I thought he played pretty well last night?

Gets plenty of it and his defensive work was good, just getting a bit sick of his turn overs although he isn't alone there.

 

[The Inbetweener]

Hrovat is having a good year with North, wonder if he would be getting a game with us ATM? His balk use going into 50 would be handy

 

[Mattdougie]

Hrovat is having a good year with North, wonder if he would be getting a game with us ATM? His balk use going into 50 would be handy

God no were aren't that bad

 

[Cadillac]

Another player I would look at is Indigenous forward Jake Neade from port. Lighting quick and can kick goals and put on defensive pressure. Just can't break into Ports team this year. We are severely lacking that type of player.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Another player I would look at is Indigenous forward Jake Neade from port. Lighting quick and can kick goals and put on defensive pressure. Just can't break into Ports team this year. We are severely lacking that type of player.

He is not very good at all from my perspective. Port fans don't want a bar of him and from what I've seen, nor do I.

 

[Cadillac]

He is not very good at all from my perspective. Port fans don't want a bar of him and from what I've seen, nor do I.

Just throwing up some suggestions. Something needs to be done at the end of the year in regards to a pressure forward. I'm sick of seeing the ball effortlessly get run out of our forward line with zero pressure. Targeting someone like Shai Bolton in the draft last year would have been ideal.

 

[Cadillac]

So do we.

 

[BRWB]

Just throwing up some suggestions. Something needs to be done at the end of the year in regards to a pressure forward. I'm sick of seeing the ball effortlessly get run out of our forward line with zero pressure. Targeting someone like Shai Bolton in the draft last year would have been ideal.

What about Lipinski?

Not sold on spending on sm fwds who are largely dime a dozen.

Realistically, we should be targeting free agents to avoid spending at all if possible.

 

[Mofra]

Just throwing up some suggestions. Something needs to be done at the end of the year in regards to a pressure forward. I'm sick of seeing the ball effortlessly get run out of our forward line with zero pressure. Targeting someone like Shai Bolton in the draft last year would have been ideal.

We have a pressure forward - his name is Mitch Honeychurch. I don't to trade for something we already have. I suspect he'll get a game or two this year, although if McLean had 13 tackles to go with his 27 touches as reported then he's automatically in this week.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Just throwing up some suggestions. Something needs to be done at the end of the year in regards to a pressure forward. I'm sick of seeing the ball effortlessly get run out of our forward line with zero pressure. Targeting someone like Shai Bolton in the draft last year would have been ideal.

Ballantyne's a free agent

 

[Doggy]

We have a pressure forward - his name is Mitch Honeychurch. I don't to trade for something we already have. I suspect he'll get a game or two this year, although if McLean had 13 tackles to go with his 27 touches as reported then he's automatically in this week.

Wasn't it 17 tackles?

 

[Cadillac]

We have a pressure forward - his name is Mitch Honeychurch. I don't to trade for something we already have. I suspect he'll get a game or two this year, although if McLean had 13 tackles to go with his 27 touches as reported then he's automatically in this week.

Yep. Honey played two games last year. One really good game against port. And an average one against the cats (they all did) and was never to be seen again. Surely Bevo can see our forward pressure is not existent. And gives the kid a chance?

 

[Mofra]

Wasn't it 17 tackles?

Could well be - either way it's a very important aspect of our play last year that appears to be lacking this year. Against Geelong we did seem to have quite a few tackles broken, more than I can remember in the last 18 months and was probably the main factor in us losing.

 

[BRWB]

Yep. Honey played two games last year. One really good game against port. And an average one against the cats (they all did) and was never to be seen again. Surely Bevo can see our forward pressure is not existent. And gives the kid a chance?

Playing Cloke and Redpath is a big factor - both extremely slow. Not sure it should happen again.

What hurts more than lack of pace is turnovers. No shortage of those if Honey plays. Also can't kick a set shot to save himself. Honey ain't the answer IMO. Simple answer is play Dahl fwd more and pick another decent mid while one of Red and Cloke goes.

 

[Golden_6]

Playing Cloke and Redpath is a big factor - both extremely slow. Not sure it should happen again.

What hurts more than lack of pace is turnovers. No shortage of those if Honey plays. Also can't kick a set shot to save himself. Honey ain't the answer IMO. Simple answer is play Dahl fwd more and pick another decent mid while one of Red and Cloke goes.

That's definitely not the answer. Dahl is probably worse at turnovers and even a worse set shot on goal compared to Honey. It also takes away our second best mid who is elite with pressure and has pace.

Give Honey a chance. He brings a ton of energy and will essentially be playing for his career, he will be hungry.

 

[Northernsoul74]

What about Lipinski?

Not sold on spending on sm fwds who are largely dime a dozen.

Realistically, we should be targeting free agents to avoid spending at all if possible.

It's a shame Lipinski got injured when he did. The way he was traveling I reckon there was a spot for him to debut.

 

[bullish23]

Could well be - either way it's a very important aspect of our play last year that appears to be lacking this year. Against Geelong we did seem to have quite a few tackles broken, more than I can remember in the last 18 months and was probably the main factor in us losing.

Could not agree more. Opposition are better generally this year in getting a handball away when tackled. Not sure if our tackling technique needs tweaking

 

[Boristown]

Could not agree more. Opposition are better generally this year in getting a handball away when tackled. Not sure if our tackling technique needs tweaking

Geelong were able to take possession and just tumble it forward without any semblance of a legitimate disposal. Pretty easy to break tackles when you don't need to actually handball. The HTB rule is a joke right now.

 

[compact72]

Could not agree more. Opposition are better generally this year in getting a handball away when tackled. Not sure if our tackling technique needs tweaking

Seems like it was tweaked in the 1st few rounds but have lost it. We were tackling with holding one arm down, the only change it was no throw if they got it on the boot

 

[jdz101]

Geelong were able to take possession and just tumble it forward without any semblance of a legitimate disposal. Pretty easy to break tackles when you don't need to actually handball. The HTB rule is a joke right now.

The holding the ball rule and high contact rules were different for Joel Selwood than the other 35 players on the ground.

 

[inyourfacedunk]

Could not agree more. Opposition are better generally this year in getting a handball away when tackled. Not sure if our tackling technique needs tweaking

I think it's a combination of things, but tackling technique seems to be one of them. A lot of jumper tackles this year. Clay Smith seems to be the only player who regularly applies the full body tackles/takedowns.

 

[Ozil]

Don't think we can double down on pressure forwards, one of Honeychurch or Clay Smith fits in that forward line and I know which I prefer.

Not sure it's a big problem for us anyway, our leaky stoppage setups are giving me more headaches.

Agree with those calling for Lipinski when fit. Super smart and clean, lord knows we need that across half forward.

 

[VogonProsthetnic]

The holding the ball rule and high contact rules were different for Joel Selwood than the other 35 players on the ground.

The inconsistency of the prior opportunity rule frustrates the hell out of me.

Pick up the ball when you know you are about to be tackled, bury the ball under you or get spin around three times, wait 20 seconds and no penalty. Yet if someone grabs your jumper as you dispose and the crowds yells- instant free kick.

The Selwood one in the last was a shocker He must have had the ball for 5 seconds - he didn't need to pick it up and he fell over when Cloke grabbed him. We wasn't tackled high, no-one touched in the back.

 

[TBOW]

I think people need to realise that adding a specialty forward damages our midfield rotation strength.
Having a team full of midfielders who can be adequate forwards is how we won the flag last year, and imo playing to many forwards is why teams like Adelaide and West Coast beat up on shit teams but get ground out in a dog fight.

 

[Mofra]

I think people need to realise that adding a specialty forward damages our midfield rotation strength.
Having a team full of midfielders who can be adequate forward's is how we win the flag last year, and imo playing to many forwards is why teams like Adelaide and West Coast beat up on shit teams but get ground out in a dog fight.

All of our forwards rotate into the high-forward role at times which means they are effectively pseudo-midfielders for that portion of their rotation.
Even Crameri & Dickson rotate high & low and they're as close to specialist forwards as we have.