Strategy Trade and List .Management thread 5 (...the post coitus cigarette. Edition)

[Hobdog]

Do the rumours about Stringer and Dahlhaus bullying Tom Boyd have any legs?

I did hear the rumour about Jake bullying him but not Dahl


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[Chicago1]

In the place the first, we should prefer that Stringer be retained as a warrior whose service is not yet runneth out like the blood of an ox that hath been sacrificed to Baal. The circumstances of his condition are such that he will play like the anointed one in 2018 for the tribe that is his, the Western Bulldogs. There is time indeed for all wounds to be healed. And there will be time in 12 moons for good trade to be meted and doled if they are not.

That said, if the tribe of Geelong are ready to parteth with their sacred picks 19 and 22, that would value Him close to the pick which is 6. But if they say, "that is too high a price to pay for this man," the addition of some offal, the 2018 pick of the fourth round that has been bestowed by the tribe that is the Heave-Ho Donkers as part of the treasure exchanged for the gladiator Crozer, that would lower His price to the pick which is 9.

Hath the high priests of the Club spake and said "verily it must be a top 10 pick?" Or can their meaning be so divined that it must equate to so much and no less? Indeed, then the trade bartered with the tribe who are also known as the Cats might be profitable.

If then, as some have sayeth, the Germanic gladiator that is known as "the Love Schache" is available for trade for the price of 9 and 27 and his tribe's number 18 be passed with him, that would value he that is called Schache at 14, which the usurers may consider to be in their cant "moneyball" of the very good if not surpassing variety.

And thus it came to pass that the tribe that is the Western Bulldogs part with Stringer, 9, 28 (for its value is dropping), 2018 4th and go to the Temple of the Draft with sacraments 18, 19 and 22 to compliment the bonded servitude of Schache.

Divination of the entrails suggests that Western receives around the number 2778 in value and relinquishes around 2493.

Oh, and if all that is stated above was to come to pass Leviticus would shaft of Cloke (he that is completely cooked and is not even burnt offerings) before Honeychurch and, with the addition of Trengove, the great general Morris could now retire with dignity to tend his farm and raise his children. This rather than sacrifice Crameri or Campbell.

I believe a false prophet(profit?) is in our midst as predicted by the Book of Revelation, disguised as a book(also known as Vaykira) from the Torah. Please beware if his post count gets to 666.

 

[Royal Doulton]

In the place the first, we should prefer that Stringer be retained as a warrior whose service is not yet runneth out like the blood of an ox that hath been sacrificed to Baal. The circumstances of his condition are such that he will play like the anointed one in 2018 for the tribe that is his, the Western Bulldogs. There is time indeed for all wounds to be healed. And there will be time in 12 moons for good trade to be meted and doled if they are not.

That said, if the tribe of Geelong are ready to parteth with their sacred picks 19 and 22, that would value Him close to the pick which is 6. But if they say, "that is too high a price to pay for this man," the addition of some offal, the 2018 pick of the fourth round that has been bestowed by the tribe that is the Heave-Ho Donkers as part of the treasure exchanged for the gladiator Crozer, that would lower His price to the pick which is 9.

Hath the high priests of the Club spake and said "verily it must be a top 10 pick?" Or can their meaning be so divined that it must equate to so much and no less? Indeed, then the trade bartered with the tribe who are also known as the Cats might be profitable.

If then, as some have sayeth, the Germanic gladiator that is known as "the Love Schache" is available for trade for the price of 9 and 27 and his tribe's number 18 be passed with him, that would value he that is called Schache at 14, which the usurers may consider to be in their cant "moneyball" of the very good if not surpassing variety.

And thus it came to pass that the tribe that is the Western Bulldogs part with Stringer, 9, 28 (for its value is dropping), 2018 4th and go to the Temple of the Draft with sacraments 18, 19 and 22 to compliment the bonded servitude of Schache.

Divination of the entrails suggests that Western receives around the number 2778 in value and relinquishes around 2493.

Oh, and if all that is stated above was to come to pass Leviticus would shaft of Cloke (he that is completely cooked and is not even burnt offerings) before Honeychurch and, with the addition of Trengove, the great general Morris could now retire with dignity to tend his farm and raise his children. This rather than sacrifice Crameri or Campbell.

 

[Cori]

Do the rumours about Stringer and Dahlhaus bullying Tom Boyd have any legs?

I have never commented on this sort of stuff before and I'm hesitant to start now, but I know that Dahl, Libba and Stringer did some really dumb shit to Boyd last year.

 

[jdz101]

I have never commented on this sort of stuff before and I'm hesitant to start now, but I know that Dahl, Libba and Stringer did some really dumb shit to Boyd last year.

I have heard about it but was just heresay.

If its true and it has contributed to Boyd's state of mind that is absolutely rotten.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

funny to have picks in the 20s be talked about as obscure picks. Surely the draft isn't that shallow. Heaps of guns still to be had in the 20s every other year.

 

[Cori]

I have heard about it but was just heresay.

If its true and it has contributed to Boyd's state of mind that is absolutely rotten.

Probably not the right channel to discuss it, but if we're talking about the same thing, it definitely happened and there was a lead up of 'the lads' taking things way too far with him. Definitely contributed to his wellbeing.

 

[Zgope1]

Thought the Boyd scenario was extremely suss. He was coming along b.e.a.utifully and then we held him out and were flaking on why for a little while. It smelt to me.

 

[dogzrule]

Would we even use 2 2017 second rounders if we received them?

With Crozier, Trengove and Roarke Smith onto the main list and Murphy, Boyd, Hamilton and Stringer off it, aren’t we only going to use 2 live picks (and need to still move on one of Honey, Campbell or Crameri to even do that) and we still hold pick 9?

Unless we are cutting 2 of the 3 players mentioned, or have an agreement to turn those 2 second rounders into a single pick, we'd be burning pick 25 odd for a rookie upgrade if I'm not correct?

This is the whole issue we wouldn't need to and why we want a high first rather than 2 x second rounders with equivalent points but not value

Also why most of the media speculation is just crap commentary with no analysis

It is a list management issue why we don't want 2x seconds


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[BrisDog]

If Stringer is retained and Western goeth to the Draft with the required 3 choices, being 9, 28 and 83 (80-whatever), could not they first delist Honey Church and then use 8ty-whatever to relist he?

Out: Murphy, M Boyd, Hamilton, Honey Church, 40&82. (= 5 off)
In Trengove, Crozier, 9, 28, 8ty whatever=>Honey Church (= 5 on).

Leviticus thinks that Honey Church's tale is not yet fully told and it would be like a tumbleweed in the wind if he were moved on for pick 82.

Leviticus thinks that R Smith can be re-rookied so that Western has time to ascertain the extent of his recovery. All Ok, draft in 2018.

Brisdog concurs that posting in the ‘third person’ gives validity and possibly ‘special powers’.

Good to see you back ScragCity.

 

[jdz101]

Probably not the right channel to discuss it, but if we're talking about the same thing, it definitely happened and there was a lead up of 'the lads' taking things way too far with him. Definitely contributed to his wellbeing.

Not surprised Stringer is on the way out of the club then. That sort of behaviour is unacceptable in a club that was meant to have a decent locker room culture.

His value has been destroyed this trade period and lets hope we can salvage a first somehow and move on.

 

[dogzrule]

Is there any reason to upgrade Smith? I would be surprised if opposition clubs would be that interested in a guy who's played a couple of games and is coming back from a second acl.


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He is third year rookie in 2017 which is the maximum time you can be on rookie list so it's either an upgrade to main list or delist

I take it club rates him highly if the want to promote him. May have been upgraded earlier if not for his knee injuries


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[Dav1d]

He is third year rookie in 2017 which is the maximum time you can be on rookie list so it's either an upgrade to main list or delist

I take it club rates him highly if the want to promote him. May have been upgraded earlier if not for his knee injuries


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He can't be delisted and taken on the rookie list again if he fell through?

 

[Dry Rot]

Probably not the right channel to discuss it, but if we're talking about the same thing, it definitely happened and there was a lead up of 'the lads' taking things way too far with him. Definitely contributed to his wellbeing.

Then it begs the question what the club did or didn't do about this poor situation at the time.

And in 2018 two of the bullies will still be at the Dogs.....

 

[dergert]

I hope stringer stuffs up at essendope

 

[Lance Uppercut]

In the place the first, we should prefer that Stringer be retained as a warrior whose service is not yet runneth out like the blood of an ox that hath been sacrificed to Baal. The circumstances of his condition are such that he will play like the anointed one in 2018 for the tribe that is his, the Western Bulldogs. There is time indeed for all wounds to be healed. And there will be time in 12 moons for good trade to be meted and doled if they are not.

That said, if the tribe of Geelong are ready to parteth with their sacred picks 19 and 22, that would value Him close to the pick which is 6. But if they say, "that is too high a price to pay for this man," the addition of some offal, the 2018 pick of the fourth round that has been bestowed by the tribe that is the Heave-Ho Donkers as part of the treasure exchanged for the gladiator Crozer, that would lower His price to the pick which is 9.

Hath the high priests of the Club spake and said "verily it must be a top 10 pick?" Or can their meaning be so divined that it must equate to so much and no less? Indeed, then the trade bartered with the tribe who are also known as the Cats might be profitable.

If then, as some have sayeth, the Germanic gladiator that is known as "the Love Schache" is available for trade for the price of 9 and 27 and his tribe's number 18 be passed with him, that would value he that is called Schache at 14, which the usurers may consider to be in their cant "moneyball" of the very good if not surpassing variety.

And thus it came to pass that the tribe that is the Western Bulldogs part with Stringer, 9, 28 (for its value is dropping), 2018 4th and go to the Temple of the Draft with sacraments 18, 19 and 22 to compliment the bonded servitude of Schache.

Divination of the entrails suggests that Western receives around the number 2778 in value and relinquishes around 2493.

Oh, and if all that is stated above was to come to pass Leviticus would shaft of Cloke (he that is completely cooked and is not even burnt offerings) before Honeychurch and, with the addition of Trengove, the great general Morris could now retire with dignity to tend his farm and raise his children. This rather than sacrifice Crameri or Campbell.

Genuinely one of the best posts I've read on BF

 

[ScragCity]

Brisdog concurs that posting in the ‘third person’ gives validity and possibly ‘special powers’.

Good to see you back ScragCity.

wtf did I just read

 

[dogzrule]

He can't be delisted and taken on the rookie list again if he fell through?

No, no more rookie he reached li,it I believe so needs to go on main list if retained

If he gets a good run at it I think he will make it


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[ScragCity]

I have never commented on this sort of stuff before and I'm hesitant to start now, but I know that Dahl, Libba and Stringer did some really dumb shit to Boyd last year.

Suddenly the dots are connecting between Boyd's depression, rumours of Dahl and Libba not being at the club next year which have never been fully explained, and the whole Stringer saga. So three players have ****ed up massively and we have chosen to make an example of the ringleader no matter what the cost is in terms of trade value. People criticizing the club about "devaluing" Stringer by publicly airing his problems and making our stance clear might have been incredibly short-sighted. An action which potentially unifies a club in which disharmony has appeared is more valuable than any draft pick return or any single player. We have sent a huge message to the players that we won't tolerate whatever those three were involved in, whether our hand was forced in that choice remains to be seen I guess. Either way, I'm comfortable with the action.

BTW: Could someone please PM me whatever the rumours are. I don't care about reliability of sources or anything, just let me know whatever you've heard.

 

[FROGGR]

Suddenly the dots are connecting between Boyd's depression, rumours of Dahl and Libba not being at the club next year which have never been fully explained, and the whole Stringer saga. So three players have ****ed up massively and we have chosen to make an example of the ringleader no matter what the cost is in terms of trade value. People criticizing the club about "devaluing" Stringer by publicly airing his problems and making our stance clear might have been incredibly short-sighted. An action which potentially unifies a club in which disharmony has appeared is more valuable than any draft pick return or any single player. We have sent a huge message to the players that we won't tolerate whatever those three were involved in, whether our hand was forced in that choice remains to be seen I guess. Either way, I'm comfortable with the action.

BTW: Could someone please PM me whatever the rumours are. I don't care about reliability of sources or anything, just let me know whatever you've heard.

Isn't this all hearsay until the club makes a statement regarding it? Which in all likelihood will never happen... Boyd would have to come forward publicly before it could be addressed.

 

[maddog37]

Isn't this all hearsay until the club makes a statement regarding it? Which in all likelihood will never happen... Boyd would have to come forward publicly before it could be addressed.

It must be true tho cos I read it on an Internet forum. Duh

 

[GreatSouthWest]

Did the boys list Toyds' Beamer on Carsales? They order a pizza to his house? Listed him on Grinder?

 

[ScragCity]

Isn't this all hearsay until the club makes a statement regarding it? Which in all likelihood will never happen... Boyd would have to come forward publicly before it could be addressed.

You are absolutely right.

However, it all adds up far too well for me to believe that it's unlikely to be true. I'm not trying to persuade anyone on this forum either way and I certainly don't want to vilify any of our players when:

a) I don't know for sure whether the rumours are true

and even more importantly,

b) I still don't even know the specifics of what the rumours are.

But following a simple philosophical premise such as Occam's Razor, the rumour that Boyd was bullied by at least those three players mentioned explains so many things which had left me previously perplexed and in my mind now seems the most logical explanation for all of it. It's the one story that seems the easiest to reconcile with everything else that's happened. Let's take a look at a few things:

Tom Boyd takes a lot of leave for clinical depression mid-year. The club is firm that he won't retire. He comes back at the end of the year and plays in the VFL finals. There were RUMOURS that he had refused to play with Jake Stringer.

At some point around the same time that Boyd took leave, there were RUMOURS on this board about Libba and Dahl not being at the Dogs next year. Those rumours also showed up briefly in some AFL media. Never been explained why those stories were circulating.

The bombshell drops after the season that we are looking to get rid of Jake Stringer. The club publicly crucifies him and none of us really know exactly why. Yes, we know there was infidelity. Yes, we know there was a gambling problem. But why wouldn't you HELP a player in that situation? What kind of club just throws out players as soon as they run into problems in their personal life? How is any of that even our business? It makes no sense and never has.

All three of those things could be explained by different, unconnected stories but the Boyd bullying rumour single-handedly explains all three and by means of efficiency alone makes the most sense.

That's all I'm gonna say on it, don't bother responding to this post because I'm not going to defend it any further and I don't care whether anyone else subscribes to this theory.

 

[FROGGR]

It must be true tho cos I read it on an Internet forum. Duh

I was merely pointing out that it was a drawing a rather long bow...

 

[webbo]

You are absolutely right.

However, it all adds up far too well for me to believe that it's unlikely to be true. I'm not trying to persuade anyone on this forum either way and I certainly don't want to vilify any of our players when:

a) I don't know for sure whether the rumours are true

and even more importantly,

b) I still don't even know the specifics of what the rumours are.

But following a simple philosophical premise such as Occam's Razor, the rumour that Boyd was bullied by at least those three players mentioned explains so many things which had left me previously perplexed.

Wouldn't Occam's razor dictate that the simplest explanation is that most things that are said to be true online, are in fact, false.