Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 4 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

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adogsfan5 said:
Watch Dedoros wrap up on the dons website. He won’t be trying again if there’s a “second” trade period. We wanted pick 8 and next years first which he isn’t willing to do and won’t be happening. Said he wants to be transparent with their fans.
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Just watched it and it smacks of desperation. "Guys please don't be angry with me. They wanted 8 and next years 1st! I couldn't!"
 
Can see this continuing into a second trade period though, if there is one. There's untested ground between 7 + 2021 2nd and 8 + 2021 1st. Dodo won't give us the latter but he'll try to see if there's something between the two Power might still take, and honestly there might be.

What about something like 8 + 2021 1st for Dunks and 26? Then flip 8 to a team for their 2021 1st and late 2020 picks for the points we need (obviously a team that considers themselves in finals contention). Also room to keep splitting picks like 33 for more points. Who knows.

Or we just relax and rest on the fact that we just had a shit hot time. I'm happy.
 
GWS now have picks 10,13,15,20. If there is a second trade period, there are some interesting trade down options there for Essendon where they could do 8 for 15,20. Flip 15 to us and next years 1st for Dunkley. We still get our two 1st rounders including that potentially very valuable 2021 Bomber's 1st (top 3 - top 5 pick?) and another pick this year to bank for more points and possibly a future 2nd or 3rd (we traded our future 2nd and 3rd round picks in this period).
 

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Serious question - Will the opposition be able to touch the ball next year?

Pumped with Treloar, the more class the better.


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My youngest (just 17) sent me a starting team for 2021 - he had Caleb at Full Back on the premise that the ball won’t get past the mids


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Doggies7 said:
GWS now have picks 10,13,15,20. If there is a second trade period, there are some interesting trade down options there for Essendon where they could do 8 for 15,20. Flip 15 to us and next years 1st for Dunkley. We still get our two 1st rounders including that potentially very valuable 2021 Bomber's 1st (top 3 - top 5 pick?) and another pick this year to bank for more points and possibly a future 2nd or 3rd (we traded our future 2nd and 3rd round picks in this period).
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Second trade period is for players only. We can trade before and during the draft. We'll probably downgrade our future first to some combination of current and future 2nd's (so we don't have to then use four picks at the end of the draft in addition to JUH), but we'll only do that once we've matched the bid.
 
I have a question if anybody can answer it.

We have heard that Collingwood is paying $300k per year toward Treloar's $900k contract and we are only paying $600k p.a. So maybe it's worth $1.5m over 5 years.

But is that really the case?

We have also heard (somewhere in this thread) that Treloar's contract runs something like this:

2021 $900k
2022 $600k
2023 $600k
2024 $700k
2025 $800k-$900k

Now if that's correct - or something close to those numbers - I'd be surprised (but rapt) if we're only paying $300k in each of 2022 and 2023.

It seems more likely that we are paying no more than $600k p.a. and Collingwood are paying any excess. That would only amount to about $600k over the life of the contract.

I guess his Collingwood contract also included bonus payments as that was reported to be part of their problem, but I've no idea how bonus payment clauses would translate to the WB environment. Maybe we incorporate and fund our own (mutually agreed) bonus offerings?

I know we never hear the exact and complete details of contracts but we usually get a fair idea of them through leaks and whispers.

Can anybody clarify this situation? In particular how much we are committing to his contract over 5 years.
 
yebiga said:
Collingwood's trade period, on the other hand, is an inexplicable disaster. I can't help but suspect they have breached their salary cap and have been leaned on to correct it immediately. Or they have been forced to promise De Goey some huge contract. It just doesn't make sense.
Even these speculations are ridiculous. Can anyone make sense of it?
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Their cap must have been close to 2m over. Only explanation.
 
dogwatch said:
I have a question if anybody can answer it.

We have heard that Collingwood is paying $300k per year toward Treloar's $900k contract and we are only paying $600k p.a. So maybe it's worth $1.5m over 5 years.

But is that really the case?

We have also heard (somewhere in this thread) that Treloar's contract runs something like this:

2021 $900k
2022 $600k
2023 $600k
2024 $700k
2025 $800k-$900k

Now if that's correct - or something close to those numbers - I'd be surprised (but rapt) if we're only paying $300k in each of 2022 and 2023.

It seems more likely that we are paying no more than $600k p.a. and Collingwood are paying any excess. That would only amount to about $600k over the life of the contract.

I guess his Collingwood contract also included bonus payments as that was reported to be part of their problem, but I've no idea how bonus payment clauses would translate to the WB environment. Maybe we incorporate and fund our own (mutually agreed) bonus offerings?

I know we never hear the exact and complete details of contracts but we usually get a fair idea of them through leaks and whispers.

Can anybody clarify this situation? In particular how much we are committing to his contract over 5 years.
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Short answer is that it's impossible to know. Incentives and different balance of match/base salaries inherently make this stuff messy.

What we do know from reported journalists (mainly Sam Edmund).

  • Pies owed Treloar $4.5 million over next 5 years by back-ending contract extensions during/after the initial deal they signed him from GWS
  • Pies are coughing up $1.5 million to trade him and get him off their salary cap books.
Both those numbers could be lower. Impossible to know. I'd trust what's being reported in the media by journalists getting good intel over an anonymous BF poster, even if the BF poster is being more specific.
 
Fun facts:

1. Though Adam Treloar is 8 cm shorter than Dunkley he has 16 hitouts to his credit over his 9 year career :)

2. Only one of those 16 hitouts came after the third man up was outlawed :(
 
Bulldogs Legend said:
Before i fall asleep can I just finish with a big F..k You to all the media over all the forms who we’re repeating ad nauseam how Dodo always gets his man

their is a new sheriff in town and dont you forget it

Sam Power is waiting in the darkness on the edge of town and he is born to run and will leave you pissants dancing in the dark with Dodo
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I recognize that you have likened Sam Power to a Boss. Hence all the Boss song titles.
This was one of those Glory Days and Whitten Oval is becoming Badlands.
 

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If the rules stay the same for the NGA bidding of only being allowed to take as many picks as list spots available and assuming that the list size will drop to 38 as reported, we’ll need to open up six lost spots.

We current have six players on the senior list who are out of contract in Trengove, Duryea, Porter, Suckling, Cavarra and Hayes, as well as Khamis and Smith on the rookie list (Roarke I think has done his three years on the rookie list so would need to be delisted if not upgraded). Duryea would surely get re-signed but it’ll be a nervous wait for the others. Personally I’d be disappointed if Cavarra gets cut without getting opportunities. Obviously the option of delisting a contracted player and picking them up again as a rookie is an option to open up a spot but there doesn’t look like any obvious candidates on that part.

In the first year they changed the draft picks / list spots rule they allowed GWS to carry extra picks because they had traded in future picks the year prior before the AFL decided to change the rule and it was thought unfair for them to plan for the academy bidding and then a rule change meant they couldn’t use the picks they acquired. I wouldn’t be surprised if they do that this year where we keep the extra two picks from the list spots going down so we only have to open up four list spots.
 
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In breaking news Dodo and Eddie have joined (current) POTUS in petitioning the US Supreme Court to reverse the results of all recent elections and trade periods

One Peter Gordon representing the defendants and the Free World and the lovers of liberty in most places other than Essington, Collingwouldiftheycould and anywhere but the US mid west have submitted a one page defence entitled “We the people humbly submit you should GAGF”

Jurists the world over are convinced Gordon has the Power behind him


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Yojimbo said:
Pegged Josh Dunkley naked out in the sun and baked him and used his brother as well, lucky i am not a vindictive man.
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Poor old Kyle is collateral damage. Nice work, AD
 
perro_loco said:
7 quality mids might mean a new footy strategy from Bevo. he might just turn them into 7 quality rucks. bonty rucks, libra rucks, dunks rucks, Treloar rucks, Macrae rucks, et al rucks.... the best ruck midfield in the history of afl... and a new Bevo tactic is born. fu@k the third man rule.:)
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I don't think you actually KNOW what the ruck you are on about.
 
Bulldogs Legend said:
Before i fall asleep can I just finish with a big F..k You to all the media over all the forms who we’re repeating ad nauseam how Dodo always gets his man

their is a new sheriff in town and dont you forget it

Sam Power is waiting in the darkness on the edge of town and he is born to run and will leave you pissants dancing in the dark with Dodo
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This is greatest piece of writing I've seen

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sackofballs said:
Here ya go, something quickly thrown together. I checked all his goals but didn't see any footage of him grabbing his jumper I don't think
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That skinny kid was a pretty good kick for goal. How come he copped so much flack?
 
Hobdog said:
Rise and shine time in the hobdog house and I just remembered what happened yesterday. Can I just say how much of a pleasure it was to ride out the last day/night of the trade period with you all yesterday!


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Have a good day mate. Line in the sand moment last night for sure.
 
Boyd oh Boyd said:
Well that was good reading. I'll be counting handballs in my sleep now. Bont, to Macrae, to Treloar, to Dunkley, to Libba, to Smith, to...
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... to Power in the goalsquare!
 
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