Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Libbaaaa]

We really should have waited with Caleb.

If they give him 4 years I'll be fuming.

 

[Doggy]

If they give him 4 years I'll be fuming.

Hardly the only player to have a down year. Most have.

He's still important and just needs redeployment upfield. No need to be "fuming"

 

[doggies ftw]

It’s funny we tend to think players just stop at 30, in reality Jack Macrae will probably still be playing good footy at 33 6-7 years from now.

Our absolute peak will be when Bont, Macrae etc are all 29-31 and Jamarra, Darcy are like 23. Ideally we sack the coach now and start to prepare…

 

[_Mike_]

JJ was ripping games apart in 2015/2016. And he was coming into his prime. I don't understand how he could get worse from there. He only changed position due to having no impact from the backline once he started getting a hard tag. Good players get through that, he didn't.

JJ played the role of a rebounding 1/2 back flanker and that role needs support when that player gets pinned down. He was getting minimal support when he was targeted in 2017 by the opposition. Niggling injuries look to have gotten the better of him now.

 

[Libbaaaa]

Hardly the only player to have a down year. Most have.

He's still important and just needs redeployment upfield. No need to be "fuming"

It’s not on the back of this year, more about list balance. 3 years is more than enough for a guy pardon the pun of his stature. I’d rather give Bailey Dale and Ed Richards the years and dollars.

 

[doggies ftw]

It’s not on the back of this year, more about list balance. 3 years is more than enough for a guy pardon the pun of his stature. I’d rather give Bailey Dale and Ed Richards the years and dollars.

More years = less money.

Daniel is what he is, he’ll probably play good football til 35 I don’t think he’s barely ever missed a game through injury, doesn’t rely on speed or athleticism. I’d happily give him 5 years if it shaves 100-150k PA off. Which I think would be a win for everyone.

 

[Libbaaaa]

More years = less money.

Daniel is what he is, he’ll probably play good football til 35 I don’t think he’s barely ever missed a game through injury, doesn’t rely on speed or athleticism. I’d happily give him 5 years if it shaves 100-150k PA off. Which I think would be a win for everyone.

Fair enough, I just don't want him locked into a contract where he'll be on the wrong side of 31 making $500k+ a year.

 

[Bald]

Seriously who says no.

Bailey Smith

6

Bailey Smith

Age

23

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

or Josh Dunkley

5

Josh Dunkley

Age

27

Ht

191cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.8

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.3

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

20.7

5star

K

7.0

3star

HB

13.7

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

5.3

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

14.2

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

4.0

5star

CL

1.4

4star

to Hawthorn for Mitch Lewis and steak knives.

 

[Doggy]

Seriously who says no.

Bailey Smith or Josh Dunkley to Hawthorn for Mitch Lewis and steak knives.

No to Smith

 

[immortalmike]

Seriously who says no.

Bailey Smith or Josh Dunkley to Hawthorn for Mitch Lewis and steak knives.

No to Smith. Yes to Dunkley but steak knives going our way.

 

[Bald]

No to Smith. Yes to Dunkley but steak knives going our way.

If it's Smith, we are receiving steak knives. If it's Dunkley, we'd likely be giving up steak knives.

 

[dergert]

It's nuts that in this day and age where recruiters have a heap of talent identification resources that Hawthorn picked Lewis up with a pick in the 70s. They'd be bonkers to let him go.

 

[Doggy]

It's nuts that in this day and age where recruiters have a heap of talent identification resources that Hawthorn picked Lewis up with a pick in the 70s. They'd be bonkers to let him go.

Still think it was a partial joke to start out with and he turned out to be a player

 

[maddog37]

personally, i wouldnt be paying overs for English or Dunks, happy to let them go if they get big offers.

both have limitations, Dunkley speed, kicking, English poor tap ruckman, softish, wont play forward, hard to pair with a second ruck

Who rucks when English leaves

 

[Norm De Guerre]

personally, i wouldnt be paying overs for English or Dunks, happy to let them go if they get big offers.

both have limitations, Dunkley speed, kicking, English poor tap ruckman, softish, wont play forward, hard to pair with a second ruck

Given the difficulty we've had in attracting rucks in recent years.

Im not sure that I'd be comfortable going into next year with Sweet as the one ruckman on the list.

Seriously who says no.

Bailey Smith or Josh Dunkley to Hawthorn for Mitch Lewis and steak knives.

 

[W W Biscuit]

Still think it was a partial joke to start out with and he turned out to be a player

Could we trade both Bailey Smith and Josh Dunkley, then draft someone with our last pick called Josh Bailey? It has worked before.

 

[TiAn_]

Why trade for a KPF that was drafted late when we could simply continue to use our own late picks on half backs and small midfielders.

 

[GetDimmaBack]

Could we trade both Bailey Smith and Josh Dunkley, then draft someone with our last pick called Josh Bailey? It has worked before.

Bailey Dunkley has more upside, IMO.

 

[Chops]

Who rucks when English leaves

Why is it a worry? English is more a ruck rover than a ruck. It’s obvious Bevo doesn’t rate ruck work anyway.
Sweet for one. Darcy in time. Get a experienced one with few years left and and vfl one.

 

[immortalmike]

If it's Smith, we are receiving steak knives. If it's Dunkley, we'd likely be giving up steak knives.

No thank you. Straight swap at worst.

 

[TiAn_]

Bailey Dunkley has more upside, IMO.

 

[go the dogs]

Seriously who says no.

Bailey Smith or Josh Dunkley to Hawthorn for Mitch Lewis and steak knives.

Me no thankyou. If jamarra is to be the player every1 thinks no point getting another forward. His time has to start next year. Bruce is back as well
Key defender is the only thing I'm trading any of our mids for.

 

[Bald]

Me no thankyou. If jamarra is to be the player every1 thinks no point getting another forward. His time has to start next year. Bruce is back as well
Key defender is the only thing I'm trading any of our mids for.

I took this into consideration.

I think it allows Naughton to go back which seriously solves our defensive issues (in my opinion - I'd like to get another interceptor, but I don't think we need to spend much for this). I don't want Naughton to go back but I'm genuinely not sure what our alternative is.

Bruce is 30 next year and is coming off a knee, pair him with Mitch Lewis and Jamarra will continue to develop. It costs us a generational midfielder, for sure, but we've got to give up to get and we aren't going to fix our woes with anything other than something we don't want to lose.

 

[weltschmerz]

Honestly wonder if Will Gould would want to come somewhere he can get a game. Hasn't debuted. Absolute unit of a kid, not quick, but a good mark with a pinpoint kick and a bit of a brick wall. Could be cheap.

 

[dergert]

Ben Miller plz.