Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Munnez]

Now to draft a key back, small forward and winger.

Josh Weddle, Charlie Clarke & Jaxon Binns

 

[Dogs Rule]

Personally I have always hated Rory Lobb. The bloke looked like a regular kent the last decade.

And now?

 

[BrisDog]

And now?

Something about him. He seems to have matured and his chest has broadened considerably. I would not say I currently like him but come March next year if he keeps up his current trajectory I may well give him a chance. I also like his hair.

 

[ossie_21]

“It’s obviously a talking point that everyone is starting to be more aware of because of the American sports and the way they can move around,” the 25-year-old began on the topic

Nothing he says after this point can be considered as valuable.

I get what he means with some players moving and not having a choice about it, but that risk is known from the very start of you want to be a pro.

The American system is shit across a number of sports and a good amount of time it’s to do with the money on offer to move teams.



Oh

 

[Testekill]

I get what he means with some players moving and not having a choice about it, but that risk is known from the very start of you want to be a pro.

The American system is s**t across a number of sports and a good amount of time it’s to do with the money on offer to move teams.



Oh

If he wants it to be like the American system then we can offer him to whoever gives us the best offer and he gets no say in it. It's his own fault for having a contract that ended a year before his free agency.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Highly doubt the AFL will ever go down the American system they get payed millions of dollars to play NBA,NFL,NHL,MBL

Exactly. The players won't get an NBA style free agency if clubs can't trade players without their permission and the club's wont get to trade players without their permission unless the players are making significantly more coin than they do now. Not sure you can do one without the other.

 

[Dogs Rule]

If he wants it to be like the American system then we can offer him to whoever gives us the best offer and he gets no say in it. It's his own fault for having a contract that ended a year before his free agency.

But remember he's trying to justify himself and his decision (twice) to leave.

If he had a half decent manager and people around him they would tell him to shut up and put his head down, but no, he's whinged about player movement and told us all that good old best mate Fages is all sweet.

We just shipped off a massive pain in the a***. Excellent.

 

[lachy]

Unsure why we are continuing with Dunkley discussion in this thread any more. Not our player, never will be again who cares what hae thinks, comments or try's to justify any more. He is now irrelevant to Doggies discussions going forward

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[Dry Rot]

Dunkley is now irrelevant to Doggies discussions going forward

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Until we play the Lions, and West belts him.

 

[doggiesin08]

Exactly. The players won't get an NBA style free agency if clubs can't trade players without their permission and the club's wont get to trade players without their permission unless the players are making significantly more coin than they do now. Not sure you can do one without the other.

… and if they’re happy waiting until they’re 20-22 years old and more physically developed before getting drafted and having the clock start on free agency.

 

[Pep_x]

Unsure why we are continuing with Dunkley discussion in this thread any more. Not our player, never will be again who cares what hae thinks, comments or try's to justify any more. He is now irrelevant to Doggies discussions going forward

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Well said.

I've already exacted the ultimate millennial revenge on him by unfollowing him on Instagram. That'll show him.

 

[doggiesin08]

Obviously depends on who we pick up the draft but which opposition players coming out of contract at the end of 2023 are we all going to be talking about in this thread next year?

Our own uncontracted list is looking much more manageable than 2022 (maybe with the exception of Sam Darcy and Ed Richards

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who would not unreasonably back themselves in to get a bigger offer by putting off talks until mid-way through the year) so we can all have fun looking externally. My early shouts:

• Josh Worrell if we don’t pick up Weddle
• Jordan Butts if Keath isn’t going on in 2024
• Kai Lohmann because we need a small forward and **** the Lions
• Chad Wingard for a pack of chips if we’re contending
• Ben McKay although surely North would match any offer. If they’re shit again though and he wants out they might begrudgingly accept pick #1 as compensation
• Miles Bergman our wing is yours
• Hunter Clark if he gets through a year without injury and wants out again

 

[Doggy]

Obviously depends on who we pick up the draft but which opposition players coming out of contract at the end of 2023 are we all going to be talking about in this thread next year?

Our own uncontracted list is looking much more manageable than 2022 (maybe with the exception of Sam Darcy and Ed Richards who would not unreasonably back themselves in to get a bigger offer by putting off talks until mid-way through the year) so we can all have fun looking externally. My early shouts:

• Josh Worrell if we don’t pick up Weddle
• Jordan Butts if Keath isn’t going on in 2024
• Kai Lohmann because we need a small forward and * the Lions
• Chad Wingard for a pack of chips if we’re contending
• Ben McKay although surely North would match any offer. If they’re s**t again though and he wants out they might begrudgingly accept pick #1 as compensation
• Miles Bergman our wing is yours
• Hunter Clark if he gets through a year without injury and wants out again

Hunter Clark was told some home truths about his training standards and he didn't like it, sooked and tried to get out.

Ben McKay for pick 1? :O

Hard to trade up from pick 18

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Obviously depends on who we pick up the draft but which opposition players coming out of contract at the end of 2023 are we all going to be talking about in this thread next year?

Our own uncontracted list is looking much more manageable than 2022 (maybe with the exception of Sam Darcy and Ed Richards who would not unreasonably back themselves in to get a bigger offer by putting off talks until mid-way through the year) so we can all have fun looking externally. My early shouts:

• Josh Worrell if we don’t pick up Weddle
• Jordan Butts if Keath isn’t going on in 2024
• Kai Lohmann because we need a small forward and * the Lions
• Chad Wingard for a pack of chips if we’re contending
• Ben McKay although surely North would match any offer. If they’re s**t again though and he wants out they might begrudgingly accept pick #1 as compensation
• Miles Bergman our wing is yours
• Hunter Clark if he gets through a year without injury and wants out again

 

[flipper83]

Obviously depends on who we pick up the draft but which opposition players coming out of contract at the end of 2023 are we all going to be talking about in this thread next year?

Our own uncontracted list is looking much more manageable than 2022 (maybe with the exception of Sam Darcy and Ed Richards who would not unreasonably back themselves in to get a bigger offer by putting off talks until mid-way through the year) so we can all have fun looking externally. My early shouts:

• Josh Worrell if we don’t pick up Weddle
• Jordan Butts if Keath isn’t going on in 2024
• Kai Lohmann because we need a small forward and * the Lions
• Chad Wingard for a pack of chips if we’re contending
• Ben McKay although surely North would match any offer. If they’re s**t again though and he wants out they might begrudgingly accept pick #1 as compensation
• Miles Bergman our wing is yours
• Hunter Clark if he gets through a year without injury and wants out again

There not really that many players out of contract next year that excite me but Noah Balta is one. Richmond have just brought in 2 big contracts so he might not be happy with what they offer.

 

[flipper83]

Hunter Clark was told some home truths about his training standards and he didn't like it, sooked and tried to get out.

Ben McKay for pick 1? :O

Hard to trade up from pick 18

He's a free agent so if they finish last and he gets band 1 compensation, they get pick 2.
Would be very tempting with the top end of next year looking very strong.

 

[Tommycash]

Bad news everyone. I have just seen Tim English at Queenstown airport. Seems likely he will be seeking a trade to the Otago Nuggests.

 

[Golden_6]

There not really that many players out of contract next year that excite me but Noah Balta is one. Richmond have just brought in 2 big contracts so he might not be happy with what they offer.

Paying Balta will be a big priority to them and something I’m sure they’ll do. Riewoldt, Cotchin, Grimes & Dusty could be all be close to retirement next offseason.

 

[Sentinel]

He's a free agent so if they finish last and he gets band 1 compensation, they get pick 2.
Would be very tempting with the top end of next year looking very strong.

Doubt North finish last again next year. Think Hawthorn or West Coast should be leading that race. Regardless they'd potentially be looking at a top 5 pick as compo for him.

 

[doggies ftw]

Can anyone work out how many list spots both main & rookie we currently have available, assuming both Martin & Butler get delisted & Wally gets 1 more year.

Also on Stack if he’s really interested in having another go Id sign him to Footscray and let him show us he will work for it, if he puts his head down has a good year then reassess next year - similar to Stengle & McCartin - let them earn it with a season at the lower level showing their dedicated to giving it another shot. If that’s not something he’s interested in so be it.

I’d be interested in one of Rowe or Frederick so long as we still have room for 3 picks & 1 rookie (providing it’s not Sullivan) I remember Fredericks first game off half back was great but tbf haven’t seen a lot of him since - but it is something we could still use in defence IMO with a real running mindset & a pretty nuggety guy who seems to try hard & compete defensively. I don’t think Dale & Daniel fit as they both have similar styles whereas Frederick could compliment Dales kicking with some speed and add another running option to Richards who has more of a defence first mentality.

I wonder if he’s ever been tried on the wing or more likely due to his height forward? Might suit him as finding the ball in the forward line is less of a concern so long as he’s using his speed to chase & tackle and his skills - but dunno if he’s ever been tried there. Otherwise Rowe as a specialist goalsneak could get a lot of opportunity in our forward line front & centre of the big blokes - but the lack of defensive pressure is a concern in a forward line which already struggles defensively and is now even taller.

Surely we don’t keep Martin? We have two rucks in the side (and Darcy who can help if things get desperate) plus Sweet who is the perfect, durable back up which you know what you’ll get from him. There is no use for Martin he’s just hindering development. Let’s face it there’s no point Sweet playing forward at VFL level, he will never be a second ruck but he can still develop his ruck craft to be a better first ruck back up, which is what he’ll be whilst he’s on our list.

We need to draft another ruck late/rookie to start coming through under Sweet, you should always have one of these types developing IMO as you can find gold cheap

 

[MrChristo]

Exactly. The players won't get an NBA style free agency if clubs can't trade players without their permission and the club's wont get to trade players without their permission unless the players are making significantly more coin than they do now. Not sure you can do one without the other.

Also private ownership in almost every other major sport means the only obligation they ever have is to win and screw the rest.

As long as the AFL hold the licences it's in their best interest to maintain some kind of equalisation measures.

 

[NthBondiDoggies]

Our midfield looks good on paper but so does every other top 8 midfield. I don’t really think we have that big (if any) of an advantage. Is Bont, Macrae, Libba, Treloar really that much better than Trac/Oliver/Viney/Langdon or Neale/Mcluggage/Zorko/Lyons/Bailey/Dunkley or Parker/Mills/Heeney/Warner or Bolton/Martin/Prestia/Cotchin/Taranto/Hopper or Cripps/Walsh/Hewitt/Cerra?

All those midfields look pretty good on paper.

I do think we still have an advantage but the drop off from Dunkley and hence Brisbane improvement means we don’t have the clear advantage we have had.

But do need to look at quality (A Grade) and quantity of solid B who for periods can be A grade (ie would have some A grade games (like 25+ or 10+ contested etc). So let’s say A is 3 points, B is 2 and regular 22 is 1 point. Haven’t included wings. So can probably only have 7-8 Mids in a team (including resting in forward line) - 21+ is great and 24 is about max.

Bont/Libba/Macca/Trelor/Smith are all A and McLean is a good B. West, García are high potential but only 1. Others like McComb, McNeil etc are not regular at this stage. So 19 points. Dunkley out drops us 3 points but McLean coming back gives us a very good player and so only one point down. Have a good ish pick so could get another good one.

Trac/Oliver/Viney/Brayshaw are all A. Harmes is a B and so is Sparrow. James Jordan a 1. Not as much depth in the Mids (BTW have an overflow of small forwards). Langdon is a winger. So 17.

Neale, Dumpley, McCluggage are As - was clear their was a gap to the next - Stop Neale and you stop Brisbane hence the need to chase Dumps. , Lyons (close), Bailey and Zorko are good Bs - not really elite but solid. Raynor is a very good talent but hasn’t shown it in the midfield - better as a forward. Berry is a good young player who is starting to step up and his size and aggression will make them better this year. So 17.

Bolton, Martin, Prestia, Cotchin and Taranto are A. McIntosh, Hopper, Graham are Bs. Short a C. Have lost Edwards but address their biggest weaknesses beautifully with Taranto and Hopper = CPs. So 22 and best on paper - could be challenged by inconsistency perhaps but now in the lead passing us. Don’t have a high draft pick but arguably don’t need one.

Premiers: Danger, Guthrie are A. Duncan and Menegola are B. Parfit a C. Loss of Selwood leave them a bit short in the guts. So 11 and amazing that they have so little talent here but perform so well. In their dynasty they had arguably one of the best on record. But they have the best spread in all areas of the ground.

Others not quite there.

 

[doggies ftw]

I do think we still have an advantage but the drop off from Dunkley and hence Brisbane improvement means we don’t have the clear advantage we have had.

But do need to look at quality (A Grade) and quantity of solid B who for periods can be A grade (ie would have some A grade games (like 25+ or 10+ contested etc). So let’s say A is 3 points, B is 2 and regular 22 is 1 point. Haven’t included wings. So can probably only have 7-8 Mids in a team (including resting in forward line) - 21+ is great and 24 is about max.

Bont/Libba/Macca/Trelor/Smith are all A and McLean is a good B. West, García are high potential but only 1. Others like McComb, McNeil etc are not regular at this stage. So 19 points. Dunkley out drops us 3 points but McLean coming back gives us a very good player and so only one point down. Have a good ish pick so could get another good one.

Trac/Oliver/Viney/Brayshaw are all A. Harmes is a B and so is Sparrow. James Jordan a 1. Not as much depth in the Mids (BTW have an overflow of small forwards). Langdon is a winger. So 17.

Neale, Dumpley, McCluggage are As - was clear their was a gap to the next - Stop Neale and you stop Brisbane hence the need to chase Dumps. , Lyons (close), Bailey and Zorko are good Bs - not really elite but solid. Raynor is a very good talent but hasn’t shown it in the midfield - better as a forward. Berry is a good young player who is starting to step up and his size and aggression will make them better this year. So 17.

Bolton, Martin, Prestia, Cotchin and Taranto are A. McIntosh, Hopper, Graham are Bs. Short a C. Have lost Edwards but address their biggest weaknesses beautifully with Taranto and Hopper = CPs. So 22 and best on paper - could be challenged by inconsistency perhaps but now in the lead passing us. Don’t have a high draft pick but arguably don’t need one.

Premiers: Danger, Guthrie are A. Duncan and Menegola are B. Parfit a C. Loss of Selwood leave them a bit short in the guts. So 11 and amazing that they have so little talent here but perform so well. In their dynasty they had arguably one of the best on record. But they have the best spread in all areas of the ground.

Others not quite there.

I agree with the premise but I don’t think you can put Bont, Macrae, Trac, Oliver, Neale, Martin & Danger’s output in the same class as the other A graders, so I think it needs a new tier for A+ (4points) and Martin & to a lesser extent Danger are definitely A+ at their best but hard to say if they’ll get the consistency or even play enough midfield time going forward to get a proper A+ midfield rating next year but we’ll leave em there for arguments sake.

But overall definitely agree with the premise, I think Tigs have the scope to be the best midfield next year if they all fire but there’s a few question marks there like Dusty & Cotchs output, Prestias injury history & how the new blokes fit in.

I think we still have Brissy covered in the top end (Bont, Macrae, Libba > Neale, Mcluggage, Dunks) but could change quite easily as I really think Dunkley will do wonders in releasing Neale to be even better and especially help Mcluggage’s role plus they have more scope for improvement with the likes of Raynor, Ashcroft & Berry whereas our only main midfielder that could realistically get better is Baz.

Melbourne I still think we have covered due to depth, Bont, Macrae, Libba, Trac, Oliver & Viney pretty much cancel each other out - you could play 10 games and I reckon you’d come out pretty close to our trio outperforming them 5 times & vice versa. Our depth is much much better but they have the ruck & wing advantage in a big way - hopefully we close the gap there this season.

I think midfield we will end up being in the top 2 but yeah we really need English & Lobb ruck duo to play to their best to finally give us the service we need, and we desperately need to find some quality wingers as our stocks are dire - I’m honestly happy to use a large chunk of our draft hand on this position tbh as I think it’s super important and there’s some really strong options around our picks.

 

[immortalmike]

You’re one of the posters I respect the most on here. I know I’ve been away for a while but I have to say the negativity here sincerely surprises me.

I hope we can all get back to cheering on our team as we win more games, finals and another premiership or six

It's been a build-up DD. Tried to give the benefit of the doubt for years but am struggling.

Will always cheer and see some reason to be positive. Naughton, Marra, Darcy and Smith is an amazing young core to build from. Need some class on the wings, some good young mids and a developing key defender next. I also live in hope that Bont and Macrae can play until their mid 30s.

But don't quite and never will get how we ballsed up a golden opportunity.

 

[Beasley]

Something about him. He seems to have matured and his chest has broadened considerably. I would not say I currently like him but come March next year if he keeps up his current trajectory I may well give him a chance. I also like his hair.

I don’t reckon Lobb will be losing any sleep if you dislike him or not.