Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 6 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Bulldog Brent]

Should throw a couple of red herrings their way!

 

[adogsfan5]

Rather try and shake out a depth player in his 20s (key back) and use our picks on midfielders. Let the Hawks have Barrass. I reckon Battle will stay if they’re gone Barrass.

 

[Doggy]

Rather try and shake out a depth player in his 20s (key back) and use our picks on midfielders. Let the Hawks have Barrass. I reckon Battle will stay if they’re gone Barrass.

They're offering Battle stupid money. Guarantee Saints will be pushing him to take it for the compensation they'd get which will be ludicrous

 

[mattwa]

I think with the new facilities and the thought of playing with JUH and Darcy for the next 10 years who will dominate the comp our free agent luck will turn. Seems like most of the successful sides using FA haven't made the big splash it's the complimentary role players and attacking the draft.

As others have said another 1st rounder on Kpp is too much collateral on that type of position

 

[AFDogs]

We have managed to attract some solid players over the years. Duryeah, Harmes, Bruce, Keath etc.

Seems we never quite land that big fish though.

 

[Mofra]

I think with the new facilities and the thought of playing with JUH and Darcy for the next 10 years who will dominate the comp our free agent luck will turn. Seems like most of the successful sides using FA haven't made the big splash it's the complimentary role players and attacking the draft

I'd rather keep most of what we have than chase a FA this season.
We picked up Jones and Bramble for free anyway and they've been fantastic for us.

 

[Mofra]

We have managed to attract some solid players over the years. Duryeah, Harmes, Bruce, Keath etc.

Seems we never quite land that big fish though.

Is the form 207cm CHB of the competition a big enough fish?

 

[adogsfan5]

The new facility at Whitten Oval is going to be big for us in recruiting. Plus 60k members. Would be nice to start getting bigger crowds too.
But, we are no longer a “minnow” football club.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

To play devil's advocate on Barrass:
1. I reckon it was way back in 2011/12 that we heard Tom Hawkins

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12.7

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8.6

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5.1

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2.2

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' back was ****ed, that it was going to end his career, that he'd never find form again etc. It has flared up a few times but he's been a dominant KOF for much of that time in spite of it.
2. If Sydney were prepared to pay big bucks on a long deal, and now at least three clubs are willing to do the same (and trade for a contracted leader), is it really likely that the concern here is based on fact?
3. If we genuinely think he's the missing piece, does it really matter if he doesn't play the full 5 years? Nobody talks about the Boyd deal anymore because he helped us win a premiership.

I'm not certain we need him or that he's the best target (although could be convinced if English leaves), but I'm not sure I buy some of the info/concerns given here.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

To play devil's advocate on Barrass:
1. I reckon it was way back in 2011/12 that we heard Tom Hawkins' back was ****ed, that it was going to end his career, that he'd never find form again etc. It has flared up a few times but he's been a dominant KOF for much of that time in spite of it.
2. If Sydney were prepared to pay big bucks on a long deal, and now at least three clubs are willing to do the same (and trade for a contracted leader), is it really likely that the concern here is based on fact?
3. If we genuinely think he's the missing piece, does it really matter if he doesn't play the full 5 years? Nobody talks about the Boyd deal anymore because he helped us win a premiership.

I'm not certain we need him or that he's the best target (although could be convinced if English leaves), but I'm not sure I buy some of the info/concerns given here.

Yep. I find it strange that people can be dead cert that Barrass's back is cooked, but he's still fronting up and playing excellent footy every week. I'd take the evidence of his play over the rumour mill of his back, which nobody is sure if is true or not.

That, and on top of the certainty that Lobb will be some sort of good established best 22 key defender next year. He's still a player on the wrong side of 30 being played out of position and still might be required forward or in the ruck if other players get injured (or if English leaves). It's looking more likely by the week, but it's not a certainty people are making out, and even if it was, he still might decline on age like every player.

Gardner and Keath are non-factors, O'Donnell has played his best footy at AFL level with two taller defenders in the team. There's absolutely a need for Barrass.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

To play devil's advocate on Barrass:
1. I reckon it was way back in 2011/12 that we heard Tom Hawkins' back was ****ed, that it was going to end his career, that he'd never find form again etc. It has flared up a few times but he's been a dominant KOF for much of that time in spite of it.
2. If Sydney were prepared to pay big bucks on a long deal, and now at least three clubs are willing to do the same (and trade for a contracted leader), is it really likely that the concern here is based on fact?
3. If we genuinely think he's the missing piece, does it really matter if he doesn't play the full 5 years? Nobody talks about the Boyd deal anymore because he helped us win a premiership.

I'm not certain we need him or that he's the best target (although could be convinced if English leaves), but I'm not sure I buy some of the info/concerns given here.

Much the same was said about Patrick Cripps. He seems to be going ok.

Im for the most part agnostic about Barrass' recruitment, so I haven't tr=relly bothered to get into the back and forth. However, I trust the list management decisions of Power and Co. and if they think it's a need that needs to be prioritised above all else given the cost, then thats ok with me. Personally my priorities would be a top line mid or dynamic half forward. Then a small lockdown defender. But what would I know.

 

[Angak]

Finn Callaghan on his strong relationship with Bevo and growing up as a Dogs supporter. Quotes are from 2023.

Out of contract end of 2025.

 

[GetDimmaBack]

Finn Callaghan on his strong relationship with Bevo and growing a Dogs supporter. Quotes are from 2023.

Out of contract end of 2025.

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Callaghan to the Dogs confirmed

 

[bobs head soup]

I'd rather keep most of what we have than chase a FA this season.
We picked up Jones and Bramble for free anyway and they've been fantastic for us.

Also JOD, Poulter and Baker, all for free and outside of the drafting process. Those 5 will collectively provide a great deal of value for no cost.

 

[Mofra]

Also JOD, Poulter and Baker, all for free and outside of the drafting process. Those 5 will collectively provide a great deal of value for no cost.

JOD is a huge gift. Average KPDs are going for over $800k per season and massive trade capital.

 

[Libbaaaa]

JOD is a huge gift. Average KPDs are going for over $800k per season and massive trade capital.

Blessing in disguise for min that JOD can develop at a more natural pace with Lobb roaming the backline. We were asking way too much of him.

 

[54Bulldog16]

I’d be ok missing out on Barrass, if we use B. Smith pick for Cam Rayner, right age, and playing some great footy.

 

[Bald]

If we do lose Bailey Smith

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and Tim English and as a result end up with two first round picks in the mid-late teens, coupled with the suggestions Jack Macrae may be looking at the Saints, would we look at trying to grab one of St Kildas early first round picks for Jack and both of our later picks?

 

[Bulldog Brent]

Why the F would Smith and English want to leave - upwards trajectory, new digs ..... don't understand that. But money does talk I suppose!

 

[Mutt]

Is the form 207cm CHB of the competition a big enough fish?

The Lobster is not a fish!

 

[JTCWBFC]

If we do lose Bailey Smith and Tim English and as a result end up with two first round picks in the mid-late teens, coupled with the suggestions Jack Macrae may be looking at the Saints, would we look at trying to grab one of St Kildas early first round picks for Jack and both of our later picks?

Would be a huge regeneration if we lost Smith, English, Macrae & Caleb in one off season.

 

[Golden_6]

Would be a huge regeneration if we lost Smith, English, Macrae & Caleb in one off season.

And at the same time, none have contributed to this seasons success other than English. Macrae's now out of the 22 and could probably be replaced by Sanders full time or someone like Harmes.

I never like the thought of pushing out great clubmen but we do currently have a lot of deadweight in our cap. Smith, Daniel & Macrae is probably $2 million in cap and all it's produced is some solid football from Jackson in a replaceable role.

 

[Pugz89]

Would be a huge regeneration if we lost Smith, English, Macrae & Caleb in one off season.

We have some influence on most of them. English we can match, and Macrae and Daniel are both contracted. Smith is the only one we aren't able to control. Given that, if we lose multiple people from above, I would expect it would be because the club is 'fine' with it.

 

[RWnBluey]

I’d be ok missing out on Barrass, if we use B. Smith pick for Cam Rayner, right age, and playing some great footy.

All things considered, I’d much prefer us to go after Rayner than Barrass.

 

[stefoid]

To play devil's advocate on Barrass:
1. I reckon it was way back in 2011/12 that we heard Tom Hawkins' back was ****ed, that it was going to end his career, that he'd never find form again etc. It has flared up a few times but he's been a dominant KOF for much of that time in spite of it.
2. If Sydney were prepared to pay big bucks on a long deal, and now at least three clubs are willing to do the same (and trade for a contracted leader), is it really likely that the concern here is based on fact?
3. If we genuinely think he's the missing piece, does it really matter if he doesn't play the full 5 years? Nobody talks about the Boyd deal anymore because he helped us win a premiership.

I'm not certain we need him or that he's the best target (although could be convinced if English leaves), but I'm not sure I buy some of the info/concerns given here.

1. All back inuries arent the same - this is car crash style damage Barrass is talking about - like, he struggles to get out of bed and get moving every day. Who knows what happens if he cops another hit to the same area? OK, he may play another 4 years, who knows, but just because Hawkins had a bad back has nothing to do with Barras' situation.

2. Its risk reward. If we were gagging for a key back right now, the reward would be greater, but we aernt. Jones and Lobb are in good shape. JOD, Croft and Buss are as good up and coming key defenders as we have ever had. Barrass might make us better, but the risk/reward is not favourable for us as it might be for some other clubs.

3. IMO he is not the missing piece. I dont know too much about him, but Ive heard of him described as a good interceptor that is suspect in 1:1s. If thats true, then hes even less the missing piece. If we have missing pieces right now its the wings. And looking forward we are going to need to replace libba and treloar in the midfield.