Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 6 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Mutt]

These situations are difficult because you’re damned if you do and dammed if you don’t.

Getting a poor offer in contrast to getting nothing for him going to the PSD is not ideal.

If you keep accepting unders - you'll forever be offered unders by every other team. Smith won't be the last high value player to request a trade.

 

[Munnez]

If Baz is actually all about $ and length of contract, rather than having a deal already in place with Geelong, I hope he's willing to go to the club that offers us the best return for him.

Pipe dream as for his profile he will want a level of success to go with the dollars

 

[Dazb86]

Wouldn't be fussed if this one ended up at the PSD.

The club has to stop letting itself get reamed

 

[Fossie 32]

Would happily march Baz to the PSD if the only other option is getting well unders from Geelong.

We got stitched up in the Dunks trade, if the club accepts unders again, I’ll be fuming.

Tell Baz, we aren’t accepting the Cats offer, so he needs to find another solution.

** Baz, ** the cats!!

Yeah maybe short term pain would result in long term gain / strengthen our position in future

 

[Doggy Dan]

These situations are difficult because you’re damned if you do and dammed if you don’t.

Getting a poor offer in contrast to getting nothing for him going to the PSD is not ideal.

You could easily make an argument that at least you are not strengthening a contending opponent.

 

[Libbaaaa]

You can also lock in that Geelong double up now for the fixture release except we’ll probably have to play at the cow paddock twice.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

At some point this should stop though Norm.

I agree with every word you've written, but I wish we as a club had the courage to fight the good fight and try to change the inevitability of our destiny.

If the club communicated to supporters that it wants to renegotiate its place in the AFL world—buckle up, this will get bumpy—I'll wager that 90% or more of Bulldogs supporters would be on board.

It's a time-honoured cliché, but I'm sick of accepting mediocrity.

The former skateboard riding, mohawk wearing teenage anarchist in me would whole heartedly agree with the notion of burning the competition down just to assert our place in it. The older corporate sellout hack in me understands the institutional roadblocks inherent in a game that has always favoured the haves over the have-nots that make this a practical impossibility. It's why I think the threat of walking him to the PSD something that except for in the most extreme cases where the relationship is completely broken. Is an empty one, something that all clubs understand.

All that would result from using this nuclear option beyond making a few hard core fans momentarily happy with some hollow posturing, is the making of a prime competitor stronger and us weaker.

I know that it's not a popular view (my specialty at times) straight after going out of finals. But I think that our club is run as professionally and well as any medium sized club that this inequitable competition allows for. However, I do recognise that we still carry a significant historical weight that holds us back, one that always comes to the fore when discussion turns to the value of departing players. Or attracting elite talent to the club. It's a bit sad that the only real exemplars of this are two guys that for the most part fell into our lap in Tom Boyd and Adam Treloar. The former needed some skullduggery and the latter was just a gift from our betters.

Anyways. I moved through all the first 4 stages of grief 247 zeptoseconds after I heard that Smith was requesting a trade and I now find myself quite comfortable in my current state of acceptance. It's now over to Sam Power to get the best, most realistic deal possible give the limitations that the game imposes on doing so. And use that capital wisely.

 

[geoffjennings79]

You can also lock in that Geelong double up now for the fixture release except we’ll probably have to play at the cow paddock twice.

Yep, AFL will want to maximise Smith/Geelong rubbing our faces in it, so I expect our visit to the dung heap to be very early, possibly even pre-round 0!

Hopefully Smith's first outing against us ends on the end of a legal pole-axe. I'd suggest Lobb or Naughton, but poetic justice would be an accidental clean up from Bont.

Or maybe we can rookie Jarrod Harbrow...

 

[Cookie]

Gallagher too (the pick in the 30s). So probably not the worst return, but you can’t keep losing A grade talent and replacing them with bits and pieces.

BINGO!

 

[BIG_BONTS]

What I don’t understand about Geelong vs PSD is that it’s not just that there are two options. Surely there are 2-4 other clubs that could offer something decent that aren’t Norf or Richmond. Does the player have to agree to the trade?

 

[RWnBluey]

These situations are difficult because you’re damned if you do and dammed if you don’t.

Getting a poor offer in contrast to getting nothing for him going to the PSD is not ideal.

Sometimes it’s best to lose the battle in order to win the war. In this instance sending him to the PSD would be that battle

 

[RWnBluey]

What I don’t understand about Geelong vs PSD is that it’s not just that there are two options. Surely there are 2-4 other clubs that could offer something decent that aren’t Norf or Richmond. Does the player have to agree to the trade?

According to Ralph on the couch a short time ago no other clubs are interested

 

[Foxman98]

Sometimes it’s best to lose the battle in order to win the war. In this instance sending him to the PSD would be that battle

There’s really not that much downside to sending him to the PSD,

The picks they have are shite so we are taking garbage and strengthening a rivals weak spot for the next 5 years and it sends a strong message to any other OOC players to make sure they pick a club that can satisfy us in a trade

 

[Doggy]

There’s really not that much downside to sending him to the PSD,

The picks they have are shite so we are taking garbage and strengthening a rivals weak spot for the next 5 years and it sends a strong message to any other OOC players to make sure they pick a club that can satisfy us in a trade

He can also nominate his terms though and still potentially get here anyway

 

[Foxman98]

He can also nominate his terms though and still potentially get here anyway

This works when you want to drop 1-2 spots in the PSD not 16

 

[Doggy Dan]

He can also nominate his terms though and still potentially get here anyway

We can draft him back before Geelong get to him…..truly f*ck him and f*ck Geelong.

 

[MaxiBont]

There’s really not that much downside to sending him to the PSD,

The picks they have are shite so we are taking garbage and strengthening a rivals weak spot for the next 5 years and it sends a strong message to any other OOC players to make sure they pick a club that can satisfy us in a trade

We got Joel Freijah with pick 45 in last year's draft, it's always better to have picks than to not have picks.

 

[Cookie]

The club needs to develop a policy where they grade players and any trades are done like for like.
I object to any trade that weakens our club or strengthens any other club at our expense.
The Dogs have a huge investment in Smith and that investment has to be matched by anyone who wants him.

 

[Martyn_30_]

Why is Smith worth more than a pick in the 20s? His highest b&f finish is 7th, he finished 13th and 15th in his last two seasons. He can’t kick, I cannot think of a bulldogs player worse at delivering the ball inside 50 in my time watching and doesn’t run defensively which is why he wasn’t getting the midfield time he wanted.


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[Foxman98]

We got Joel Freijah with pick 45 in last year's draft, it's always better to have picks than to not have picks.

Lucky we already have our own picks in that range

 

[bullish23]

The Dogs have a huge investment in Smith and that investment has to be matched by anyone who wants him.

I feel that position is pretty tenuous considering we only offered 2 years. So how invested were we in Bailey moving forward?

 

[Norm De Guerre]

If Baz to Geelong has been in the offing for 18 months as has been suggested, surely the Cotton On arrangement has to be scrutinized.

Looking back at those crappy shirts he 'designed', a lot of them just happen to be in navy and white.

Taking the piss really.

Joke of a comp and salary cap system will let it slide.

You must be new to following the AFL.

There is no way known that the AFL want to publicly look into the festering arseh*le that is the under the table deals that the games elite high profile players, their managers and club benefactors have always made.

It's no coincidence that the rumblings about Smith started at the same time as he signed on to Cotton-On as a brand ambassador. Nor is it a coincidence that Nigel Austin the companies founder and person behind that deal has deep roots in Geelong and inside the Geelong football club.

What I don’t understand about Geelong vs PSD is that it’s not just that there are two options. Surely there are 2-4 other clubs that could offer something decent that aren’t Norf or Richmond. Does the player have to agree to the trade?

I just got of the phone with him and Jade Rawlings doesn't like this post.

It doesn't really matter what other clubs might offer. Assuming that Smith is committed to Geelong and as Ive outlined above all indications are thats where he'll end up. Then it makes little difference what other clubs might offer. Although Im sure that it won't stop the media churning out shit takes saying a club is willing to offer 3 first rounders or some such.

He'll get to exactly where he wants to go. The AFL and the AFLPA have seen to that.

 

[Dogs Rule]

The bonus for the rest of the team will be they will no longer be blinded by the reflection from a locker full of mirrors.

 

[Deadly Darcy]

the Dunkley trade happened because Brisb traded out anything of value in poor faith and we buckled late because it would have looked bad to deny Dunks a trade after the Essendon one fell through.

this is different. no reason to avoid the PSD if Geelong intend to low ball it. Power wont get overs, but he'll get a fair deal

I didn’t mind the way Brisbane went about it in hindsight. The reverse option being: “we need 2 first round picks for Bailey. Don’t ring us until you have that on the table or we don’t deal”

I wouldn’t let the campaigners into the room unless a hand waggling a contract through the door, with 2 first round picks signed off on it, proceeded the cats delegation.

 

[SweatOnMySkin]

just here to state that if the offer is poor, I am also in favour of PSD and the ensuing carnage that would bring. Would really brighten an otherwise dull offseason