Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 7 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Doggy]

Reckon we switch off the radio and tv for the next two weeks. Nothing good will happen for the dogs this period

Don't be negative!

 

[BLACAE]

Should get all the Bulldog members and fans to jump on Cotton On and leave 1 star reviews. See how happy they are with back door deals when they hurt their bottom line.

Same with the builder company.

(Am I petty.... yes, yes I am.)

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[DannyB4]

It is isn't it? Really illuminating.

They have clubs they don't question, favourite clubs and others that they bash and undermine relentlessly.

According to the media, Scott is a genius, the Cats recruiting and admin are Gods and everything that club does is beyond reproach.

We have a lazy captive media.

On a side note, let's never forget that James Frawley because he was a free agent attracted Pick 3. Pick 3. The whole system is screwed.

Free Agency Compo has always been a joke..I'm pretty sure Frawley was Pick 2 actually. Meanwhile Prime Buddy Franklin was Pick 19. Compensation is just a roll of the dice.

 

[Pencil case]

Ned McHenry

25

Ned Mchenry

Age

24

Ht

179cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.7

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.7

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

0.0

1star

D

9.7

2star

K

4.0

1star

HB

5.7

3star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.3

3star

G

0.0

1star

D

10.0

3star

K

3.6

2star

HB

6.4

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.0

1star

worth a shot? I grew up playing footy with him, he was a mad Doggies supporter.

 

[Foxman98]

Ned McHenry worth a shot? I grew up playing footy with him, he was a mad Doggies supporter.

Not good enough

 

[Mofra]

Would fulfil our need for speed

2018 AFL Draft Combine Test Results

Basi on those results we should sell the farm for that Laitham Vandermeer kid.
Can kick and jump!

 

[Mofra]

Ned McHenry worth a shot? I grew up playing footy with him, he was a mad Doggies supporter.

Can cover ground really well, but not much else

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Reckon McHenry will dominate at a state league team next season but doesn’t seem to have enough tools to make it at AFL level

 

[Ash1337]

Might have to deal with GWS to get the deal done in the end for both Smith & O'Halloran.

 

[Foxman98]

With the Battle compo + Lombard/Ashcroft and potentially Kako bid our first this year would've been 15-16, Huge turn around of form late makes the Sanders trade look very good was very worried after that Port game but realistically now ends up being 13 + 23 (useless Croft bid anyway) + 15/16 for 6

 

[threenewpadlocks]

With the Battle compo + Lombard/Ashcroft and potentially Kako bid our first this year would've been 15-16, Huge turn around of form late makes the Sanders trade look very good was very worried after that Port game but realistically now ends up being 13 + 23 (useless Croft bid anyway) + 15/16 for 6

Still probably a slight overpay, but only slight, and not the disaster a lot try to make it out to be.

 

[Foxman98]

Still probably a slight overpay, but only slight, and not the disaster a lot try to make it out to be.

Pretty much for us 13 + 15/16 even though in theory could've potentially traded the 23 for points or future picks

 

[weltschmerz]

Ned McHenry worth a shot? I grew up playing footy with him, he was a mad Doggies supporter.

Worse than Vandermeer and McNeil.

 

[maddog37]

Based on trade period so far I think we should shut the club down.

 

[Anja_Nees]

Based on trade period so far I think we should shut the club down.

Melbourne has had the equivalent of Bont and Libba trying to leave only to be held to their contracts so let’s not be too harsh.

 

[maddog37]

Melbourne has had the equivalent of Bont and Libba trying to leave only to be held to their contracts so let’s not be too harsh.

But we missed out on Pleatring!!

 

[Doggy]

But we missed out on Pleatring!!

Peatling

You're underselling the guy again

 

[Northernsoul74]

Yep - the whole point being that if we were to "rescind" the lack of free agency rights on Smith (not possible under the current rules but operating in theory), we'd get more in compensation than if Geelong were trading for him, and it wouldn't be Geelong who pay the price (losing their draft pick), it would be the 16 other clubs (everyone goes back 1 draft spot, with us getting the compensation pick and Geelong getting their player).

Shows how it's a broken system.

The fact a player has more freedom when they’re younger and out of contract than they do after they’ve paid their dues up to
FA is just plain wrong. And the fact clubs get better compensation for losing a FA who has paid their dues compared to a younger player who just chooses to not re-sign makes it even fecking worse.

 

[geoffjennings79]

AFL. Rorting the system ever since they created it.

Draft, MRP, AFLW, umpiring, drug 'code', Brownlow, repeat rule changes on a yearly basis (that are only enforced for a few weeks) - totally incompetent and corrupt. And that's without even looking at the integration with AFL 'media' or betting agencies.

One of the most spectacular and marketable sports on the planet... run by a bunch of industry and old school tie in-breds with no genuine supporters in their number. Dollar signs in their eyes, young female PAs in their sights, yet blinkers (blindfolds?) on when it comes to viewing the actual game.

What else does anyone expect? It's a boys-club industry, not a sport.

 

[Bonty4]

When you have dangerflog as head of the aflpa you know it’s a shit system. One of the biggest figjams to come into the afl.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

An arbitration panel for unrestricted free agents would have solved it, and make the acquiring club pay in draft pick points rather than bumping others down the order.

It’s utterly stupid as it is now.

Its stupidity seems to be by design.

Its a system that is a rickety as it could possibly be without falling over under the weight of the concessions that its had to give in order for the likes of Academies, Father Sons, RFA, FA and whatever other compromises its had to make. Just to stave off the threat of players filing a restraint of trade action before the courts. The prospect of which would terrify the clubs.

It seems to me that the clubs, its players and the games administrators all understand this. Players know that as contracts are structured they have all of the power in negotiating new contracts. Thats why their initial post draft contracts are only ever incremental and designed to get them to a) RFA, b) FA or c) the big fat multi-year, multi-million dollar **** off contract that can hang like an albatross around the neck of a club should it go wrong as it currently is with Petracca and Oliver at Melbourne.

It also seems to me that clubs understand that this system means that in all likelihood once a player elects to leave anytime before FA. That they are unlikely to receive fair compensation. Given players invariably get to exactly where they want thus negating any real leverage that the club has over the player. The flip side to this power imbalance seems to be that the AFL has attempted to correct this increasing imbalance with their usual lack of opacity and a confusing system of over generous FA compensation that seems designed to bring some sort of equilibrium to trading.

This is why in my view the threat of sending players to teh PSD will remain just that. A threat.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Would be nice if we addressed at least some of our needs this trade and draft period coming up. I know it's a stretch, but most clubs seem to have a crack at it...

 

[CarnTheScray]

Battle is worth around pick 20 at most. Compensation system is a joke, it’s the afls way of making player movement as easy as possible like other sports but keeping both parties happy.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Its stupidity seems to be by design.

Its a system that is a rickety as it could possibly be without falling over under the weight of the concessions that its had to give in order for the likes of Academies, Father Sons, RFA, FA and whatever other compromises its had to make. Just to stave off the threat of players filing a restraint of trade action before the courts. The prospect of which would terrify the clubs.

It seems to me that the clubs, its players and the games administrators all understand this. Players know that as contracts are structured they have all of the power in negotiating new contracts. Thats why their initial post draft contracts are only ever incremental and designed to get them to a) RFA, b) FA or c) the big fat multi-year, multi-million dollar **** off contract that can hang like an albatross around the neck of a club should it go wrong as it currently is with Petracca and Oliver at Melbourne.

It also seems to me that clubs understand that this system means that in all likelihood once a player elects to leave anytime before FA. That they are unlikely to receive fair compensation. Given players invariably get to exactly where they want thus negating any real leverage that the club has over the player. The flip side to this power imbalance seems to be that the AFL has attempted to correct this increasing imbalance with their usual lack of opacity and a confusing system of over generous FA compensation that seems designed to bring some sort of equilibrium to trading.

This is why in my view the threat of sending players to teh PSD will remain just that. A threat.

All of this can be true but I'm not sure how you draw the conclusions of the final two sentences from what you posted above.

By all accounts with the Dunkley trade we were willing to let him walk to the PSD, we told Brisbane of the fact, and they improved their draft offer.

For the "threat" to have any weight behind it, it had to be sincere, which is exactly was that, which got us a bit extra in the Dunkley trade. Otherwise it's a bluff. Clearly as part of the trade negotiations with Brisbane we would have printed out the email from the board members with the authorisation and handed it over to the Lions, to demonstrate the fact.

The risk for getting no trade return - that Brisbane would not capitulate and add a bit more to the trade - was apparently low enough and didn't eventuate, that was worth the fact that we did indeed get a bit more in the trade.

Which makes sense because they practically weren't adding a whole lot more to the trade.

Which proves it's a matter of perspective. From Geelong's POV if all they have to do, is instead of paying a F2 pick, is to pay a F1 and get a F2 back, it's not that much of an upgrade, and Geelong would be silly to go through the whole rigmarole of the PSD, just to marginally get a better draft hand themselves. They're the ones that are committed to the player. While we might lose out on a good draft pick through sending Smith to the PSD, it's an abstract concept and not a commitment, we wont lose any reputational damage by failing to utilise on pick 20 in the draft, even if it's a lost in an abstract sense for future wins. Geelong on the other hand will fail to see see through a commitment to a player because they will have to go to Smith and his manager "sorry, we were committed to you, but not so committed that we'd prefer to keep a sole first round pick, rather than have two second round picks instead - lets go through the process of us drafting you instead.

 

[King Harold]

I would imagine De Koning is worth more on the trade market than Smith is. Hope we target SDK, good player already / outstanding prospect but if its either of us adding something to the deal, its probably us

I can't imagine them allowing De Koning to leave

Someone just told me :
All three clubs currently discussing,
McKay to Melb
SDK to Carlton
Oliver to Geelong

Have no idea if this has any credibility.