Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 7 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[doggy_dog]

We hold absolutely all the cards with Macrae, Saints can ‘play hardball’ all they want but I’d feel extremely confident Sammy Power won’t bend on that one. Doesn’t blink when we have control

 

[Doggies7]

We didn't go around to the other clubs during trade week and try salary dump Macrae. The Saints sounded him out immediately after (obviously would have started during the season) and got him to commit to requesting a trade there because they think he will be a very good fit in their midfield. You can't then turn around and say oh but look at his contract, oh my, end of the draft pick at best dogs. You knew his contract when you got him to commit, we'd be pulling this piss asking for pick 24 for him, but a reasonable pick for a contracted player of his quality is not outrageous.

 

[Anja_Nees]

Yeah St Kilda can GAGF if they won’t pay up.

He’ll still get games with us. Might just have to get used to that HFF/sub configuration.

 

[Mojorisin]

Yeah St Kilda can GAGF if they won’t pay up.

He’ll still get games with us. Might just have to get used to that HFF/sub configuration.

I think Ralph is getting far to much credit here, he wouldn't have the first clue what is going on.

 

[Bulldogs85]

I think Ralph is getting far to much credit here, he wouldn't have the first clue what is going on.

Did that come for Ralph then I will take that with a grain of salt

 

[Dogs 13]

Did that come for Ralph then I will take that with a grain of salt

He’d want 2 firsts if Jack was a Richmond player.

 

[Claythesmiths]

It's highly likely the club told Macrae in his exit interview that he might not be in our best 22 plans next year, and that we wouldn't stand in his way if he wanted to seek a trade. I think being petulant about wanting a mid-40s pick would be standing in his way.

 

[Bulldogs85]

He’d want 2 firsts if Jack was a Richmond player.

Bloke is a w***er

 

[TiAn_]

He was severely underplayed there in 2023. He has to take responsibility to because he had an awful season regardless of where he was playing but he really should have got opportunities.

When he went in when Treloar was out and played head to head roles against Carlton and Adelaide, he was probably our best player. 15 coaches votes in the two games, 30 and 37 touches. Then Treloar came back and he was back to half forward and having zero influence. Should've stayed in the midfield and played a role similar to what Richards played this year. There was room

Think he would have had a big year if he didn't do his knee because I think they would have given him those chances for sure. Do agree that Richards has gone ahead of him for now, but probably would have been handy to have both of them with our main midfielders closer to the end than the start of their careers. He was never staying after he did the knee unfortunately.

Treloar was much better than Smith in 2023. We probably leaned too hard on the main 3 though.

It's highly likely the club told Macrae in his exit interview that he might not be in our best 22 plans next year, and that we wouldn't stand in his way if he wanted to seek a trade. I think being petulant about wanting a mid-40s pick would be standing in his way.

It’s interesting though because it’s hard to overstate how shithouse the Saints midfield is. And they’re about to play Marshall forward more and replace him in the midfield with bit of a stiff in Soldo. I reckon they’re coming out a little guns blazing on the posturing because they’re actually a little bit ****ed for next year if they don’t add a good inside mid like Macrae.

 

[AFLinsight2023]

Re: Nader

Keep in mind during last year's trade period;

Taylor Adams

3

Taylor Adams

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

24.9

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

11.4

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

4.8

5star

CL

5.0

5star

D

20.4

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

5.9

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

18.2

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

7.2

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.0

5star

CL

2.2

4star

went for pick 33, Shane McAdam

23

Shane Mcadam

Age

29

Ht

186cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.5

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

1.8

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.3

5star

G

0.8

4star

D

6.5

1star

K

4.8

2star

HB

1.8

1star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.3

4star

G

0.8

4star

D

6.5

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

1.8

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.3

5star

G

0.8

4star

went for pick 25 (2024), Esava went for pick 25, Tyler Brockman went for pick 44, Tom Fullarton went for pick 47 and the 43 that St.Kilda are playing hardball over was what they received for Jack Billings

14

Jack Billings

Age

29

Ht

185cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

19.7

5star

K

11.7

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.3

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

4.6

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

.

If it's not a salary dump, I wouldn't be settling for anything less than the 25 - 35 range.

 

[DueWest]

Saints fans think it’s a salary dump I find that funny since the media and a few people on here saying that’s not the case.

No way he’s on over $800. Anyway just keep him he offers good back up if not top 22 giving we have no cap issues in 2025

 

[DueWest]

Re: Nader

Keep in mind during last year's trade period;

Taylor Adams

3

Taylor Adams

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

24.9

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

11.4

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

4.8

5star

CL

5.0

5star

D

20.4

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

5.9

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

18.2

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

7.2

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.0

5star

CL

2.2

4star

went for pick 33, Shane McAdam

23

Shane Mcadam

Age

29

Ht

186cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

6.5

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

1.8

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.3

5star

G

0.8

4star

D

6.5

1star

K

4.8

2star

HB

1.8

1star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.3

4star

G

0.8

4star

D

6.5

2star

K

4.8

2star

HB

1.8

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.3

5star

G

0.8

4star

went for pick 25 (2024), Esava went for pick 25, Tyler Brockman went for pick 44, Tom Fullarton went for pick 47 and the 43 that St.Kilda are playing hardball over was what they received for Jack Billings

14

Jack Billings

Age

29

Ht

185cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

19.7

5star

K

11.7

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.3

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

4.6

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

.

If it's not a salary dump, I wouldn't be settling for anything less than the 25 - 35 range.

Good research and yes that range is about right

 

[Bulldogs85]

No way he’s on over $800. Anyway just keep him he offers good back up if not top 22 giving we have no cap issues in 2025

Mojorisin mentioned half way through the year how much Jack was on it was nothing like 8OOk

 

[Bald]

Mojorisin mentioned half way through the year how much Jack was on it was nothing like 8OOk

I’m fairly certain he’s on 800k next year, but only 500k in 2026 and 27 so it averages out at 600k per year, and if he does fall off a cliff after next year the remainder is small relatively speaking.

I’d want a pick at or around 30, but I’m fully expecting it’ll be a third rounder.

 

[SweatOnMySkin]

I’m fairly certain he’s on 800k next year, but only 500k in 2026 and 27 so it averages out at 600k per year, and if he does fall off a cliff after next year the remainder is small relatively speaking.

I’d want a pick at or around 30, but I’m fully expecting it’ll be a third rounder.

saw something similar reported today I think. Next year is apparently the big year thats left in his contract.
Yeah that sorty of money we could evaporate pretty quickly signing Darcy and Richards, but if we're under no cap pressure then we can probably get those done anyway with Smith out

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Mojorisin mentioned half way through the year how much Jack was on it was nothing like 8OOk

Actually pretty sure he said he is on.$800k next year but drops off after that

 

[Dogs Rule]

I’m fairly certain he’s on 800k next year, but only 500k in 2026 and 27 so it averages out at 600k per year, and if he does fall off a cliff after next year the remainder is small relatively speaking.

I’d want a pick at or around 30, but I’m fully expecting it’ll be a third rounder.

Saints are screaming out for a player like Macrae. A solid, highly skilled, reliable mid. You know what you're going to get and he'll deliver week in week out. That's worth more than a crappy third rounder. Pick in the 30s.

 

[Munnez]

Saints risk blowing what little credibility they have, if they convince Macrae to request a trade to them and they don't follow through. Especially as Macrae is a definite need to bolster their paper thin midfield.

Pick 43 would not be great but given the service of Macrae probably take it just to facilitate the move and be seen to be taking care of a long term servant of the club.

Wish Macrae all the best just not so much on the team success if he gets to the Saints

 

[Anja_Nees]

Saints risk blowing what little credibility they have, if they convince Macrae to request a trade to them and they don't follow through. Especially as Macrae is a definite need to bolster their paper thin midfield.

Pick 43 would not be great but given the service of Macrae probably take it just to facilitate the move and be seen to be taking care of a long term servant of the club.

Wish Macrae all the best just not so much on the team success if he gets to the Saints

Trading Stringer to Essendon was a masterclass in making sure a trade wouldn’t bite us.

I feel every bit as confident trading a player to North or St Kilda.

 

[Freshwater]

I know sentiment doesn’t win you premierships but to see

• Jake Stringer
• Luke Dahlhaus
• Joel Hambling
• Lachie Hunter
• Jordan Roughead
• Josh Dunkley
• Zane Cordy

and now potentially Jack Macrae and Caleb Daniel

35

Caleb Daniel

Age

28

Ht

171cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

19.5

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

CL

1.0

3star

D

16.4

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.2

2star

finish their careers at opposition clubs is disappointing. I get a couple maybe, but something is not quite right for there to be that many.

 

[TiAn_]

I know sentiment doesn’t win you premierships but to see

• Jake Stringer
• Luke Dahlhaus
• Joel Hambling
• Lachie Hunter
• Jordan Roughead
• Josh Dunkley
• Zane Cordy

and now potentially Jack Macrae and Caleb Daniel finish their careers at opposition clubs is disappointing. I get a couple maybe, but something is not quite right for there to be that many.

To an extent it’s probably a by-product of being such a young premiership team.

 

[geoffjennings79]

I know sentiment doesn’t win you premierships but to see

• Jake Stringer
• Luke Dahlhaus
• Joel Hambling
• Lachie Hunter
• Jordan Roughead
• Josh Dunkley
• Zane Cordy

and now potentially Jack Macrae and Caleb Daniel finish their careers at opposition clubs is disappointing. I get a couple maybe, but something is not quite right for there to be that many.

A number of premiership Hawks - Hodge, Lewis, Mitchell, Suckling, Duryea, Franklin(!), B.Hill, Smith, Shiels - finished elsewhere. Gunston left and went back.

 

[Freshwater]

A number of premiership Hawks - Hodge, Lewis, Mitchell, Suckling, Duryea, Franklin(!), B.Hill, Smith, Shiels - finished elsewhere. Gunston left and went back.

They got four flags out of a number them, we got one. I get Hambling had made a promise to go home. Roughead and Dunkley were the two we could have kept, both had a falling out with Bevo over Bevo’s strategy over ruckman.

 

[Philthy1]

I know sentiment doesn’t win you premierships but to see

• Jake Stringer
• Luke Dahlhaus
• Joel Hambling
• Lachie Hunter
• Jordan Roughead
• Josh Dunkley
• Zane Cordy

and now potentially Jack Macrae and Caleb Daniel finish their careers at opposition clubs is disappointing. I get a couple maybe, but something is not quite right for there to be that many.

what difference does it make?

We need to be more ruthless if we want to win. There is good reason for that list to have moved on.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Treloar was much better than Smith in 2023. We probably leaned too hard on the main 3 though.

Yeah, no issue with Treloar being in there but it should have been a situation where they were both in there and not just playing the main three every time, like how Richards complimented them this season.

With Richards this season it would have been interesting to know the plan had Libba not got hurt again the second time. We only had the Hawthorn game as the sample size, so not enough to know anything, and Richards spent a really long amount of time at half forward and little time as a genuine midfielder, I hope that wasn’t going to be the plan. Obviously when Libba came back Ed had firmly cemented his spot as a midfielder and having the four of them spend the majority of their time in the middle was a far more healthy mix.