Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 7 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Dazb86]

Speed speed and more speed, mids and small fwds is surely the Main focus for the draft?

Mids, wingmen and small forwards surely.

 

[grassman75]

Mids, wingmen and small forwards surely.

Maybe Baz can hook us up with some

 

[Munnez]

If u guys get Butters to agree to request a trade to the Dogs, you guys do realise how much it will cost you.

How many future firsts do u guys have?

Do you realise the value he could bring ? Sometimes you just pay the price e.g. Horne Frsncis
Can jog on now mate no one is under any illusion he would be cheap

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

We got Harvey Gallagher in the same draft with a pick in the 40s.
The draft was a dud, Gags isn't.

I'm not quite there yet with Gags. Showed flashes this year and has good attributes, but needs to find a way to get more involved in the game. Good signs, but not a sure thing yet imo.

 

[weltschmerz]

I'm not quite there yet with Gags. Showed flashes this year and has good attributes, but needs to find a way to get more involved in the game. Good signs, but not a sure thing yet imo.

I don’t see his future as an inside mid. His attributes scream flanker to me.

 

[DannyB4]

If past performance is indeed the most effective indicator of future performance and the more recent its, the more predictive, than surely Daniel's actual 2024 season is the most relevant predictor here?

Daniel played two good games in the final two rounds of the H&A season but other than that it was a generally poor season including being ineffectual often when coming on as the sub, and he himself playing poorly which was a factor in costing us the win vs Geelong in the gather round game.

All of this without outstanding VFL forn this year when he played there - even Oskar Baker was the better VFL player in games they played together.

I agree Daniel is a champion of our club and has reinvented himself before and could do so again. It is through that possibility we got pick 25, a meaningful pick with a reasonable chance of a good player (unlike e.g. the 38 we gave up for Kennedy, which is a pick that significantly drops off). But it's strange not to treat his 2024 season for what it was - even worse than Macrae`s?

Past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance.

 

[Highlander]

Past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance.

Past performance is the only indicator of future performance.

 

[Unorth]

Gallagher was a turnover machine from limited touches. Don’t think he was played in the right position either. The more space he had in front of him the more inclined he was to make the wrong decision. Never quite seemed to call for the ball in the right spots in transition either.

I wouldn’t mind seeing him in that VDM role. Fast and aggressive but unlike vdm actually has a willingness/ability to hit the scoreboard and get involved as a forward. He’d be a somewhat credible threat around goal compared to a complete non factor. Much higher ceiling.

His midfield minutes were a bit of a disaster but I’d revisit that once he settles to the speed of the game, which seems to be the main issue and hopefully resolves in time.

Can see why we like him and at vfl level you can see where he’s more comfortable and what he projects to be as a player. But we tried to force the issue last season when maybe we should have played him less, as the sub or more forward…the way we used him didn’t achieve much.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Past performance is the only indicator of future performance.

We're all sounding like a super fund ad now.

 

[Chalky White]

I'm not quite there yet with Gags. Showed flashes this year and has good attributes, but needs to find a way to get more involved in the game. Good signs, but not a sure thing yet imo.

He's a turnover merchant. Until he gets more consistent with decision making and disposal he will always be a huge question mark.

 

[doggy_dog]

He's a turnover merchant. Until he gets more consistent with decision making and disposal he will always be a huge question mark.

Needs to play half back, give him a touch more time and have the play in front of him

 

[doggy_dog]

Didn’t realise what a weak draft 2022 was, puts Clarke into perspective a bit. In hindsight Joe Richards was probably the choice at the Clarke pick but would have been a huge reach at the time

 

[DannyB4]

Past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance.

Past performance is the only indicator of future performance.

We're all sounding like a super fund ad now.

Compare the pair.

 

[TiAn_]

I'm not quite there yet with Gags. Showed flashes this year and has good attributes, but needs to find a way to get more involved in the game. Good signs, but not a sure thing yet imo.

He wasn’t really on the draft radar until he was moved to half back for the Pioneers half way through his draft year and started racking up 30-40 disposals games. I watched him on the last Champs game that year have a great game at half back and came away hoping we’d pick him up as a defender. I think at the moment he’s a bit like Richards when we were playing him at half forward. He’s not a low volume player by nature.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

He wasn’t really on the draft radar until he was moved to half back for the Pioneers half way through his draft year and started racking up 30-40 disposals games. I watched him on the last Champs game that year have a great game at half back and came away hoping we’d pick him up as a defender. I think at the moment he’s a bit like Richards when we were playing him at half forward. He’s not a low volume player by nature.

I think he's just too short in modern AFL footy to play out of defence

 

[DannyB4]

I think he's just too short in modern AFL footy to play out of defence

Sarcasm?

 

[TiAn_]

I think he's just too short in modern AFL footy to play out of defence

He’s a little taller than Duryea and about the same size as Bramble. Obviously Duryea is quite athletic but Gallagher tested well for running & standing verticals pre-draft.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

He’s a little taller than Duryea and about the same size as Bramble. Obviously Duryea is quite athletic but Gallagher tested well for running & standing verticals pre-draft.

Could be proven wrong but there's nothing in his games over two years I've watched that suggest to me he has any capability above his head in terms of reading the play, using his body in contests etc. that is obviously true for natural defenders like Duryea (and an extent) Bramble.

I think we liked the move to half-back out of his draft year because it revealed that he had certain traits that could be redeployed at AFL level in different positions with the slightly different way the game is played. A bit like how Freijah was drafted off the wing at U18 level but was essentially only ever a defender for us at AFL level and whose next step may be inside midfielder instead.

 

[TiAn_]

Could be proven wrong but there's nothing in his games over two years I've watched that suggest to me he has any capability above his head in terms of reading the play, using his body in contests etc. that is obviously true for natural defenders like Duryea (and an extent) Bramble.


I think we liked the move to half-back out of his draft year because it revealed that he had certain traits that could be redeployed at AFL level in different positions with the slightly different way the game is played. A bit like how Freijah was drafted off the wing at U18 level but was essentially only ever a defender for us at AFL level and whose next step may be inside midfielder instead.

Yeah I’m not too concerned about either. My guess is that the coaches see him as a goal kicking on baller. He’s managed to generate a lot of scoring shots at every level, whatever position he plays. He’s exactly the type of player that Bev loves, can theoretically be slotted into each line.

 

[Cookie]

Looks like I'll be watching a lot more North and Saints games next year. Definitely won't be watching any Geelong games.
I don't think I'll be Robinson Crusoe in that regard.

 

[AFDogs]

Geez we've made some big calls on AA players, goal kicking winners and bnf winners over the last few years.

Stringer - did we get Ed Richards

20

Ed Richards

Age

26

Ht

188cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.4

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.4

4star

CL

0.7

3star

D

11.3

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

5.3

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

2.5

3star

CL

1.1

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

4.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.2

2star

for him? If so I'd consider that a success.
Hunter - not sure what we got for him but that seemed to be a good call.
CD - we'll see. I'd imagine North will feed him plenty of the ball and it'll be a good fit for him.
Macrae - think he's still got two year left as an inside mid and as a Brad Crouch

5

Brad Crouch

Age

31

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.1

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

5.5

5star

CL

5.0

5star

D

20.3

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

9.1

5star

M

1.5

2star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.6

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.2

5star

CL

2.6

5star

replacement should also find plenty of the footy at Saints.

 

[Mofra]

Looks like I'll be watching a lot more North and Saints games next year. Definitely won't be watching any Geelong games.
I don't think I'll be Robinson Crusoe in that regard.

Ditto - I'll be hoping Jack & Caleb go well

 

[Iamspock]

Looks like I'll be watching a lot more North and Saints games next year. Definitely won't be watching any Geelong games.
I don't think I'll be Robinson Crusoe in that regard.

I watch very little outside of Dogs games, but I will take special interest in Saints and North next year.

 

[Sentinel]

Geez we've made some big calls on AA players, goal kicking winners and bnf winners over the last few years.

Stringer - did we get Ed Richards for him? If so I'd consider that a success.
Hunter - not sure what we got for him but that seemed to be a good call.
CD - we'll see. I'd imagine North will feed him plenty of the ball and it'll be a good fit for him.
Macrae - think he's still got two year left as an inside mid and as a Brad Crouch replacement should also find plenty of the footy at Saints.

That year we turned Stringer, pick 28 and a future 2nd (pick 31) into Josh Schache and Ed Richards. So, kind of?

 

[Libbaaaa]

That year we turned Stringer, pick 28 and a future 2nd (pick 31) into Josh Schache and Ed Richards. So, kind of?

If Stringer had stayed in our 2018 team my word his value would have tanked even more.