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I think Many Hawks supporters overrate their players value. it must come from winning a premiership last year?
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Trade Deal - Hawthorn, Port and Essendon
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you do realise that the person who was the main man if that non Stevens trade was Chris Pelchen dont you?
Now he's on the other side of that fence at Hawthorn
Im not overrating williams, I think his worth to hawthorn isnt as big as it was in the past due to roughie and buddy, his worth has been lost since their dominance, but before that time, and even with them around, i.e last year, he kicks over 50 goals a year. Im sorry but thats not worth a 3rd or 4th rounder. He stands up in big games, kicks bags, and is one of the hardest forwards to match up. He's worth a 2nd rounder - so is lovett. Just because lovetts worth to essendon has been greater than willos worth to hawthorn in 09 doesnt mean lovett is ranked a better player than willo. Willo's injuries will bring his worth down, but at the worst, a late 2nd rounder. Anyway time will tell. I would think burgoyne would have a big influence on a flag, so does willo (last year, what happened - 65 goals from him and another versatile forward option). I cant choose between the two of who id rather when i havent seen how burgoyne would fit in. I would like to keep willo and keep roughie as chb option. Whatever is best for all the clubs involved will eventuate.
voice from above
Draftee
Sorry i dont think you people are getting it.
You can shove your fair deals up your cracker hole.
Hawthorn are helping Port here, by giving them at least something in return for burgoyne. Both essendon and port are losing burger and lovett because they hate your clubs.
Port cant be greedy here, or they will get nothing. Hawthorn dont lose anything that they already have, its port that should be sucking up to the hawks. Is our pick 9 and (josh kennedy or tuck) better than getting nothing. The answer is yes. So cry all you want but thats better than nothing. Anyways kennedy will star at port, he will be the only player who actually goes for the ball, bunch of softies.
You can shove your fair deals up your cracker hole.
Hawthorn are helping Port here, by giving them at least something in return for burgoyne. Both essendon and port are losing burger and lovett because they hate your clubs.
Port cant be greedy here, or they will get nothing. Hawthorn dont lose anything that they already have, its port that should be sucking up to the hawks. Is our pick 9 and (josh kennedy or tuck) better than getting nothing. The answer is yes. So cry all you want but thats better than nothing. Anyways kennedy will star at port, he will be the only player who actually goes for the ball, bunch of softies.
I dunno, proving that you can be an essential part in a premiership winning team would have to improve the value of many players.
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Spot on Kenny. It's crap deal all in all.
Port wouldn't want Lovett.
Lovett won't want to go to Port.
And tbh, i don't want Williams.
There would surely be an exchange of picks with Essendon receiving upgrades if this were to occur.
Lovett won't want to go to Port.
And tbh, i don't want Williams.
There would surely be an exchange of picks with Essendon receiving upgrades if this were to occur.
its a good thing your just a BF hero, and not a person involved in AFL trading
i wonder if you'd feel the same if Franklin was in the same situation as Burgoyne... i doubt it
for the record i'd take 9 and kennedy... but to say that Port shouldnt be adequately compensated for Burgoyne is ridiculous
I dont think anyone would be arguing on this
Port deserve pick #9 for S.Burygone, although his knee is questionable just like M.Williams. Lovetts is not and playing career best form. Also the same age as Burygone.
I think it should be something like this.
Port Gain: Pick #9(haw), A.Lovett(Ess), Pick #25(Haw), Pick #42(Ess)
Port Lose: S.Burygone, B.Ebert
Ess Gain: M.Williams(Haw), B.Ebert(Port)
Ess Lose: Pick #26, Pick #42, A.Lovett
Haw Gain: S.Burygone(Port), Pick #26(Ess)
Haw Lose: M.Williams, Pick #9, Pick #25
I think this is a fair trade
Port deserve pick #9 for S.Burygone, although his knee is questionable just like M.Williams. Lovetts is not and playing career best form. Also the same age as Burygone.
I think it should be something like this.
Port Gain: Pick #9(haw), A.Lovett(Ess), Pick #25(Haw), Pick #42(Ess)
Port Lose: S.Burygone, B.Ebert
Ess Gain: M.Williams(Haw), B.Ebert(Port)
Ess Lose: Pick #26, Pick #42, A.Lovett
Haw Gain: S.Burygone(Port), Pick #26(Ess)
Haw Lose: M.Williams, Pick #9, Pick #25
I think this is a fair trade
That shafts Hawthorn.
We're already looking at 9 + a fringe player for Burgoyne, and instead you suggest we give up Williams and swap picks to get the same result?
Why would we even consider that deal?
What do you mean your giving a fringe player with a bung knee who may never return to form again + pick 9 to get S.Burygone?
Stop kidding yourself mate, your overating your players. Your also giving a weak #25 to Port and in exchange a #26 from Ess. Thats a very fair trade.
Both Port and you are very big winners.
Port get good draft picks and an inform flashy midfielder with picks 9, 25 and 42.
Hawthorn get a class act midfielder and a 1 place movement in pick 26 with the loss of Williams and Pick 9 to obtain Burygones services.
Essendon gets M.Williams, a significant risk but potentially a good pickup. Also Ebert another player that has come off a bad season but can play good football. Two established forwards that we are lacking.
I dont see how this is unrealistic and I see you as a very biased Hawthorn man if you think this is ridiculous.
If so, explain your reasoning and edit my offer.
Stop kidding yourself mate, your overating your players. Your also giving a weak #25 to Port and in exchange a #26 from Ess. Thats a very fair trade.
Both Port and you are very big winners.
Port get good draft picks and an inform flashy midfielder with picks 9, 25 and 42.
Hawthorn get a class act midfielder and a 1 place movement in pick 26 with the loss of Williams and Pick 9 to obtain Burygones services.
Essendon gets M.Williams, a significant risk but potentially a good pickup. Also Ebert another player that has come off a bad season but can play good football. Two established forwards that we are lacking.
I dont see how this is unrealistic and I see you as a very biased Hawthorn man if you think this is ridiculous.
If so, explain your reasoning and edit my offer.
Ben the Gooner
Stand by Hird
No thanks.
Because we don't need to do this deal to get what is offered to us.
I don't care what you think of our players, you'd need to offer us something significantly better than what is on the cards, or else we'll just do the deal with Port ourselves.
So stop indulging in intellectual masturbation about how great your deal is and realise that its actually quite poor.
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Draftee
Firstly, Where a happy team at hawthorn. So Buddy isnt about to pick up an leave because he wants out. But if he did, i would be saying that we would have to settle with what ever another club would offer us. Because that is better than nothing.
So Port shouldnt be adequately compensated for Burgoyne, because we are not trying to bribe him to come. He wants to come, he doesnt want to be at port. Thats just Ports bad luck, they shoudnt be compensated for having a shit club environment. Look at the Nick Stevens situation, can you afford to do the same. NO NO and No again. So stop whinging.
So you silly port fans can try find whats a fair deal, but remember. The man walked, he left your club for free. He is gone. You got nothing.
So its Hawthorn to the rescue, or you remain with nothing.
Does that make sense.
Spadge,, its a tough life mate, but your port are in no situation to talk terms. Take what you can get. Glad your not on ports management list. Or you'd be experiencing another Nick Stevens situation.
2010 wooden spoon prediction = Port
2010 Port B&F = Who ever hawthorn gives them for The silky Burgoyne.
We are going to be a Very Happy team at Hawthorn.
Can someone explain to the newbie how to find bay 13?
thats funny... we were saying the same about Burgoyne 12 months ago and he grew up a Port boy and even came through the juniors at Port.... but shit happens
did you not read what i said in my post?
i said i would take pick 9 and kennedy
and remember it was your current trade boss that was in charge of the decision over the Stevens deal
yes life is tough and its rare that teams get what a player is really worth... all i expect and hope for is "adequate" compensation.... and pick 9 on its own isnt adequate... but pick 9 and a "fair" player is
Didn't Burgoyne nominate 3 clubs in Melbourne (Hawthorn, Dee's, Essendon) that he has an interest in playing for with Hawks beings his 'Prefered' option. From that i gather he wants port to try and organise a suitable trade with his prefered club first, but if one couldnt't be reached he will still be happy to go to the bombers or Dees?
If Hawthorn are dead set keen on getting him from port they will need to come up with a deal which satisfies both parties. I don't think the Hawks will risk forcing port to deal with the Dee's or Bombers to get a fair trade and will make an offer port find fair. Pick 9 and a starting 18 or young talented player from the hawks or bombers will have to be involved. It will be very interesting to see how it all unfolds.
If Hawthorn are dead set keen on getting him from port they will need to come up with a deal which satisfies both parties. I don't think the Hawks will risk forcing port to deal with the Dee's or Bombers to get a fair trade and will make an offer port find fair. Pick 9 and a starting 18 or young talented player from the hawks or bombers will have to be involved. It will be very interesting to see how it all unfolds.
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Would PA be interested in Lovett??
im pretty sure Port have come out and said they arent interested in Lovett
and i bloody hope not either
Shaun nominated Hawthorn, but Essendon are still in pursuit.
Some1 suggested at the Port board that Shaun might be more keen on going to Essendon then having relied on the ND or PSD.
Some1 suggested at the Port board that Shaun might be more keen on going to Essendon then having relied on the ND or PSD.
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Draftee
OK enough of the bullshit and sarcastic comments it really is becoming quite childish. Firstly I for one really want Burgoyne, our midfield is full of in and under types and adding Burgoyne will help turn it into elite. Now for the trade deal pick 9 is a given, as for players I'd be happy with any of the following, Williams, McGlynn, Kennedy, Ladson, Thorpe, Dowler and even Lewis. I want his guy we need this guy and he's going to cost us, I for one don't mind paying the cost.
Shaun Burgoyne (PA) & pick 26 (Ess) - Hawthorn
Andrew Lovett (Ess) & pick 9 (Haw) - Port Adelaide
Mark Williams (Haw) & Brett Ebert (PA) - Essendon
I reckon that would be fair.
Andrew Lovett (Ess) & pick 9 (Haw) - Port Adelaide
Mark Williams (Haw) & Brett Ebert (PA) - Essendon
I reckon that would be fair.
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It took a while for a reasonable Hawthorn post in this thread.
As for the others, it would not be a problem for me if the club took a stance and let Shaun go into the ND if Hawthorn try to screw us over - we lose but stick to our principles and Hawthorn also lose a missing premiership link - the ball is entirely in their court.
