Mega Thread Trade/Draft/Delist SuperMegaUltrathread - 2016/17 offseason edition

[Agent93]

How many goals did Gaff and Masten kick this year? Averaged 0.3 and 0.2 goals a game each. Which is atrocious from our wingers.

Taking that logic I've had a look a few of 'wingers' of the top 10 sides:

Leigh Montagna - 0.2
Mitch Duncan - 0.4
Isaac Smith - 0.4
Lachlan Hunter - 0.4
Daniel Hannebery - 0.5
Dom Tyson - 0.5
Sam Gibson - 0.6
Lachie Whitfield - 0.6
Josh Kelly - 0.6

So before you go and say the above players' teams have other wingers who kick more goals, just for shits and giggles some folks named on the wings:

Lewis Jetta - 0.5
Mark Hutchings - 0.7
Elliot Yeo - 0.8

Some players kick goals themselves, other deliver it to forwards to kick them instead.

If you're worried about the spread of regular goalkickers, lets count players in each team who have kicked of 15 goals (a pretty arbritrary number which represents 0.7 goals per game):

Sydney - 9
Adelaide - 8
GWS - 8
Geelong - 8
North - 7
West Coast - 6
Hawthorn - 6
Melbourne - 5
St Kilda - 5
Western Bulldogs - 4

Sydney's second highest goal scorer was Heeney with 1.2 goals per game. Ours was Darling with 2.0 goals per game. As a team we averaged 0.2 game less, coincidentally Mark LeCras averaged 0.3 goals per game less than last year. There's a difference maker.

All of that above, it's completely irrelevant when we come up against a side who wants it more and goes harder through the middle (and has the personnel to do so). We had 5 people score those 7 goals against the Bulldogs, compared to their 11 who scored 14. It's almost the same ratio. We both had 1 player who scored a least 1 behind but no goals.

We lost one game all season by less than two goals, but somehow it lays at the feet of the 2 of the midfielders to kick a winning score.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

Sorry folks but Hogan doesnt impress me.Talented? Yes! But lazy, loves himself and goes missing. Weve got plenty of them.Trade Darling,he give you one very good effort and thats it.Hes never heard of second and third efforts.Too busy doing somasaults!! Yo can play his role down forward as hes not shaping up in the middle.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

In general we could certainly use a bit more scoring from our midfield. Shuey is probably the only one who regularly gets on the scoreboard. Yeo and Hutch are good for a goal when they're resting forward but we could do with more from the likes of Gaff, Masten, Priddis and Sheed.

If Jetta gets to top form he will help out in that regard.

 

[nameless]

Sorry folks but Hogan doesnt impress me.Talented? Yes! But lazy, loves himself and goes missing. Weve got plenty of them.Trade Darling,he give you one very good effort and thats it.Hes never heard of second and third efforts.Too busy doing somasaults!! Yo can play his role down forward as hes not shaping up in the middle.

Delete your account now.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Sorry folks but Hogan doesnt impress me.Talented? Yes! But lazy, loves himself and goes missing. Weve got plenty of them.Trade Darling,he give you one very good effort and thats it.Hes never heard of second and third efforts.Too busy doing somasaults!! Yo can play his role down forward as hes not shaping up in the middle.

Darling's repeat efforts are exceptional for a key forward. Not sure which team you've been watching the last six years.

 

[Nev57]

In general we could certainly use a bit more scoring from our midfield. Shuey is probably the only one who regularly gets on the scoreboard. Yeo and Hutch are good for a goal when they're resting forward but we could do with more from the likes of Gaff, Masten, Priddis and Sheed.

If Jetta gets to top form he will help out in that regard.

Just watching kennedy from swans pepper the goals the other night hes a machine

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[ROC1969]

I'd like Hogan but would prefer Duncan and Swallow in our team and by all accounts it would cost about the same in terms of the wages bill.

 

[Matera LeNui]

Taking that logic I've had a look a few of 'wingers' of the top 10 sides:

Leigh Montagna - 0.2
Mitch Duncan - 0.4
Isaac Smith - 0.4
Lachlan Hunter - 0.4
Daniel Hannebery - 0.5
Dom Tyson - 0.5
Sam Gibson - 0.6
Lachie Whitfield - 0.6
Josh Kelly - 0.6

So before you go and say the above players' teams have other wingers who kick more goals, just for shits and giggles some folks named on the wings:

Lewis Jetta - 0.5
Mark Hutchings - 0.7
Elliot Yeo - 0.8

Some players kick goals themselves, other deliver it to forwards to kick them instead.

If you're worried about the spread of regular goalkickers, lets count players in each team who have kicked of 15 goals (a pretty arbritrary number which represents 0.7 goals per game):

Sydney - 9
Adelaide - 8
GWS - 8
Geelong - 8
North - 7
West Coast - 6
Hawthorn - 6
Melbourne - 5
St Kilda - 5
Western Bulldogs - 4

Sydney's second highest goal scorer was Heeney with 1.2 goals per game. Ours was Darling with 2.0 goals per game. As a team we averaged 0.2 game less, coincidentally Mark LeCras averaged 0.3 goals per game less than last year. There's a difference maker.

All of that above, it's completely irrelevant when we come up against a side who wants it more and goes harder through the middle (and has the personnel to do so). We had 5 people score those 7 goals against the Bulldogs, compared to their 11 who scored 14. It's almost the same ratio. We both had 1 player who scored a least 1 behind but no goals.

We lost one game all season by less than two goals, but somehow it lays at the feet of the 2 of the midfielders to kick a winning score.

Scully plays wing most of the time doesn't he? 23 goals

 

[swooshacummings]

That's because Cripps is the same height maybe?

Yeah nah

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Taking that logic I've had a look a few of 'wingers' of the top 10 sides:
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Our problem isn't goal kicking, it's much easier to identify. Players who averaged over 18 touches per game.

Western Bulldogs - 13
GWS - 12
Geelong - 11
Adelaide - 11
Sydney - 9
Hawthorn - 8
West Coast - 4

We don't have enough players that can find the ball and hold onto the ball.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Just watching kennedy from swans pepper the goals the other night hes a machine

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And he's not even the highest scorer in Sydney's midfield. Parker has 22 goals to JPK's 17. Add in 13 each to Hannebery and Mitchell and that's 65 goals from 4 mids. (And I'm not including Heeney as a mid).

Compare that to our best four, Yeo Hutch Shuey and Gaff, who kicked 48 between them (albeit from two less games). And Yeo probably played more forward than mid, similar to Heeney.

 

[swooshacummings]

Our drafting/trading strategy must be in pure alignment with whether or not we think our team can realistically win the flag.

This is why Hawthorn is still throwing the kitchen sink at picking up players to have a legitimate crack next year it may hurt them in a few years time but this strategy is the best way to win flags. When they bottom out they will really bottom out and that is what you want 2 to 4 years in the bottom 4 so you draft in elite S grade talent. Then year 5 you are ready to contend again.

We should throw the kitchen sink at it as well have a crack to win it in 2018 when Nic is back and dont die wondering. If we fail so be it but at least you have no regrets.

Don't tell Biggie, sshh

 

[swooshacummings]

Not a biggie but Hogan was seen at the races with Embley last week

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Snacking on beluga meat sandwich?

 

[Spartan]

1st rounder for Hogan.

Mitch Brown for Lobb.

2nd rounder for Swallow.

Get it done Vozzo.

 

[Nev57]

And he's not even the highest scorer in Sydney's midfield. Parker has 22 goals to JPK's 17. Add in 13 each to Hannebery and Mitchell and that's 65 goals from 4 mids. (And I'm not including Heeney as a mid).

Compare that to our best four, Yeo Hutch Shuey and Gaff, who kicked 48 between them (albeit from two less games). And Yeo probably played more forward than mid, similar to Heeney.

And that wouldn'tt be including goal assists ,Yep I guess that's what we gotta be aiming for


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[swooshacummings]

For the love of God, learn to multi quote

Not a chance

 

[RookiePick]

Our problem isn't goal kicking, it's much easier to identify. Players who averaged over 18 touches per game.

Western Bulldogs - 13
GWS - 12
Geelong - 11
Adelaide - 11
Sydney - 9
Hawthorn - 8
West Coast - 4

We don't have enough players that can find the ball and hold onto the ball.

That is ugly reading.

Through workrate or gameplan we just didn't generate anywhere enough uncontested possession this season, especially through the middle of the ground.

It's like we had a massive over-reaction in the off season about not winning enough contested ball and the wash up was making far too much general play contested possession. Completely knackered our blokes too. Our last quarter fadeouts vs our last quarter dominance in 2015 was a stark contrast.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

1st rounder for Hogan.

Mitch Brown for Lobb.

2nd rounder for Swallow.

Get it done Vozzo.

I think he's busy achieving world peace and inventing a perpetual motion machine at the moment, but as soon as he's done that he'll get right onto those trades.

 

[squashface]

We're getting Hogan, Lobb AND Mccarthy.

Doesn't anyone in this thread read?

Thanks, Woosha.

 

[Agent93]

Well we finished 10th for avg. inside 50s per game, which isn't great.
But ranked 4th for efficiency inside 50
#1 for accuracy which suggests we generally got the ball into the right spots.
4th for overall points.

We didn't do the usual downhill skiing this year as in the past though, so you'd suggest that was pretty consistent throughout the year.

17th for avg disposals per game. 14th for kicks, 17th for handballs. 15th in differential in disposals at -23.7 per game.

Seems the issue is more how often we get the ball in rather than how well it is delivered.

Bang on. I'd say the ball was in the other team's hands too often this year. The contested possessions count is almost dead even, however we gave up 22.1 uncontested possessions and 22.5 effective disposals per game, which basically means we gave out 22 connected passed per game. We're the only top 8 side ranked lower than 9th on both counts (North is 9th).

 

[JackOutback]

1st rounder for Hogan.

Mitch Brown for Lobb.

2nd rounder for Swallow.

Get it done Vozzo.

We need A grade talent, but in the recruiting department.

Come on Vozzo, time to become elite.

 

[nameless]

Our problem isn't goal kicking, it's much easier to identify. Players who averaged over 18 touches per game.

Western Bulldogs - 13
GWS - 12
Geelong - 11
Adelaide - 11
Sydney - 9
Hawthorn - 8
West Coast - 4

We don't have enough players that can find the ball and hold onto the ball.

Pretty sure we're 2nd last for avg. disposals per game.

We play a long ball game, not a lot of handballs.

 

[EagleEgo]

Taking that logic I've had a look a few of 'wingers' of the top 10 sides:

Leigh Montagna - 0.2
Mitch Duncan - 0.4
Isaac Smith - 0.4
Lachlan Hunter - 0.4
Daniel Hannebery - 0.5
Dom Tyson - 0.5
Sam Gibson - 0.6
Lachie Whitfield - 0.6
Josh Kelly - 0.6

So before you go and say the above players' teams have other wingers who kick more goals, just for shits and giggles some folks named on the wings:

Lewis Jetta - 0.5
Mark Hutchings - 0.7
Elliot Yeo - 0.8

Some players kick goals themselves, other deliver it to forwards to kick them instead.

If you're worried about the spread of regular goalkickers, lets count players in each team who have kicked of 15 goals (a pretty arbritrary number which represents 0.7 goals per game):

Sydney - 9
Adelaide - 8
GWS - 8
Geelong - 8
North - 7
West Coast - 6
Hawthorn - 6
Melbourne - 5
St Kilda - 5
Western Bulldogs - 4

Sydney's second highest goal scorer was Heeney with 1.2 goals per game. Ours was Darling with 2.0 goals per game. As a team we averaged 0.2 game less, coincidentally Mark LeCras averaged 0.3 goals per game less than last year. There's a difference maker.

All of that above, it's completely irrelevant when we come up against a side who wants it more and goes harder through the middle (and has the personnel to do so). We had 5 people score those 7 goals against the Bulldogs, compared to their 11 who scored 14. It's almost the same ratio. We both had 1 player who scored a least 1 behind but no goals.

We lost one game all season by less than two goals, but somehow it lays at the feet of the 2 of the midfielders to kick a winning score.

Purely looking number might not give us a full picture for comparison. How the goals were kicked should also be considered as well. From memory, most of our goals from the midfielders were scored at close range receiving a pass from another team mates. This is fine as it is the way we ve been playing. This put us in the top 8. However, if we have more weapons and our midfilders can score from the 50 metres arc as well, then we are better than be just in the top 8.
Note: If we look at the number of goal kickers at or more than 10 goals on each club, we are just very average.

 

[swooshacummings]

Kennedy didnt kick over 50 til season 5 or 6...

Big forwards take time and hogan has played two seasons of afl. He will be a gun. Off topic but boyd is the same every1 wants it now now now

Hogan will be pretty good, Boyd I am not sold on personally

 

[Agent93]

Our problem isn't goal kicking, it's much easier to identify. Players who averaged over 18 touches per game.

Western Bulldogs - 13
GWS - 12
Geelong - 11
Adelaide - 11
Sydney - 9
Hawthorn - 8
West Coast - 4

We don't have enough players that can find the ball and hold onto the ball.

Absolutely agree, the point I was making to lewigie is that 2 mids averaging a low amount of goals per game is irrelevant.

Although finding and hanging on to it might be the problem. Giving it to someone else on the team seems to be a challenge.