Mega Thread Trade/Draft/Delist SuperMegaUltrathread - 2016/17 offseason edition

[wraglesweb]

Funny people are saying we need to draft/trade in players with speed. Of course we do... And we have. Yeo is (can be) super quick, shame about his footy brain not being up to speed. Jetta, you'd argue at full piss is one of the fastest in the league again we have been unlucky his mind set hasn't been on point. Cripps is pretty quick. So I'd argue we have tried to address this issue the last few seasons with an unfortunate lack of success.

We need players who can win the inside contest and I have full faith in Sheed next season with a full preseason will make a big big difference.

Eagle Midfield talk

We need inside Mids
We need outside Mids
We need faster Mids
We need Mids that kick goals
We need bigger bodied mids

What we bloody need is good midfielders that can do it all that's what we lack Complete midfielders.....

We have come accustomed too having Midfielders with limitations !!!

 

[Coasters74]

What we need in a nutshell?

S.P.E.E.D.

This has been our weakness since 2011

Just look at the heads in our midfield. Some quality ball winners, but they're all slow as hell. Shuey's the only one that has any sort of linebreaking ability. This is why we recruited Jetta, and he's been good when he gets the ball, which seems to be never.

Not sure what the solution is, but as far as a long term small forward solution... I say we bet on Liam Ryan. Got some serious hops, the right explosive goal sneak we've been looking for to replace the aging LeCraa.

This is true to a certain extent but not the entire problem. If you look at some of our games this year we looked fast. That was due to ball movement and clean hands not the running speed. Work rate to actually get to the right spot on the ground is more important than acceleration. Look at jetta or even shuey. Yes they are fast but how many times per game are you going to get the chance to run 50m with the ball. Leg speed is important but not the whole issue. Bulldogs have some "quick players" but most of their quickness comes from handball chains and aggression at the ball, not necessarily how quick they are off the mark

 

[avishka5]

Nail on head

A small positive but surely most of Redden, Jetta, Sheed, Yeo and Duggan will be more productive next season.

if we get redden, sheed and yeo averaging 24-21 disposals a game and duggan and jetta averaging 20-18 disposals, then our midfield will be a lot less vulnerable. It also means redden, sheed, yeo and duggan will be winning a lot more off their own ball and we won't be relying on boots and priddis.
I am really hoping that redden releases shuey into more of an outside role where he can carve up sides.

 

[DickDunn]

This is true to a certain extent but not the entire problem. If you look at some of our games this year we looked fast. That was due to ball movement and clean hands not the running speed. Work rate to actually get to the right spot on the ground is more important than acceleration. Look at jetta or even shuey. Yes they are fast but how many times per game are you going to get the chance to run 50m with the ball. Leg speed is important but not the whole issue. Bulldogs have some "quick players" but most of their quickness comes from handball chains and aggression at the ball, not necessarily how quick they are off the mark

Very well put. I'd also say the Bulldogs game proved we're more in need of hardness around the contest than leg speed. Shame Redden proved to be a total bust

 

[avishka5]

Eagle Midfield talk

We need inside Mids
We need outside Mids
We need faster Mids
We need Mids that kick goals
We need bigger bodied mids

What we bloody need is good midfielders that can do it all that's what we lack Complete midfielders.....

We have come accustomed too having Midfielders with limitations !!!

i agree with this except im not too worried about goal kicking mids. our forward line is pretty good and shuey, yeo and jetta can all be goal kickers.

i really hope we model our midfield on the Giants midfield. They only have a few true contested mids but have heaps of mids capable of going in and winning a hard ball.

 

[Nev57]

For the love of God, learn to multi quote

Sorry boys gotta sort this

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[Coasters74]

Eagle Midfield talk

We need inside Mids
We need outside Mids
We need faster Mids
We need Mids that kick goals
We need bigger bodied mids

What we bloody need is good midfielders that can do it all that's what we lack Complete midfielders.....

We have come accustomed too having Midfielders with limitations !!!

Exactly this. We shouldn't have a huge gap between what defines "outside" and "inside", becomes to predictable where certain players will be at the contest. We need midfielders that can be capable of both if needed (kennedy, hannerbury, Dahlhaus etc etc) only one we really have is shuey

 

[domo]

Harvey wasn't let go by north because he's "not good enough" - Scott is on the record as saying Harvey would still easily be best 22 next year

Harvey was let go because north have come to the realisation that their current group isn't good enough and they need to rebuild so need to get games into their younger players

Now we could give up on this group and move players on but in 2016 we were one game and percentage off top spot so aren't that far away. Improvements need to be made and there's some older players that need to do more to earn their spots but we still have a list than can contend

Signing 25 year old depth midfielders like Hutchings isn't an issue and what north did with Harvey is irrelevant to us

I think it's totally relevant to our situation. Norf were prepared to sacrifice their 'bambi' legend for the greater future good according to them.
Are we?
No
And Harvey is a better player than all those I listed let alone 10 times better than 'he who may not be named' at our club. Yet he has no place in North's group.ironically he's the type of mid we need too.. (still hate him though). If Harvey is not the future at Norf, then what the hell future is Priddis then for us?
We need the same 'group' development urgency to get games into Parto, Cole, Dugg & Nelson etc and more importantly be playing more dynamic players in midfield.

 

[Woutizmoo]

Exactly this. We shouldn't have a huge gap between what defines "outside" and "inside", becomes to predictable where certain players will be at the contest. We need midfielders that can be capable of both if needed (kennedy, hannerbury, Dahlhaus etc etc) only one we really have is shuey

Agree with. Heard a good interview with GWS list manager who was talking about the importance of 'inside out mids' - wrt the upcoming lowering of the interchange cap.

Said it was 'standardizing' they reqd build for an AFL player which was the key to the GWS list build and why itvwas more succesful than the GC list build, (both handed silver platters). Said every player had to be able to do everything -

Then I started applying this to our mid group aaand :/

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[avishka5]

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2016/09/19/jon-ralph-dees-will-want-fyfe-or-kennedy-if-they-lose-hogan/
some absolute trash here from john ralph. We lost the best player in the comp and got a KPF with talent and potential (thank god it worked), a pick 3 and an early second rounder. Hogans but no way does the dees deserve the best player in the comp or the best kpf in the comp in return. A couple of first rounders and a decent player or a first rounder and a good player should do. I hope we don't sell the farm for him tbh.

 

[Bestbird]

if we get redden, sheed and yeo averaging 24-21 disposals a game and duggan and jetta averaging 20-18 disposals, then our midfield will be a lot less vulnerable. It also means redden, sheed, yeo and duggan will be winning a lot more off their own ball and we won't be relying on boots and priddis.
I am really hoping that redden releases shuey into more of an outside role where he can carve up sides.

Pretty fustrating this year that this didnt happen we drafted an experienced inside and outside mid in Redden and Jetta for virtually no return.

 

[Keys]

Agree with. Heard a good interview with GWS list manager who was talking about the importance of 'inside out mids' - wrt the upcoming lowering of the interchange cap.

Said it was 'standardizing' they reqd build for an AFL player which was the key to the GWS list build and why itvwas more succesful than the GC list build, (both handed silver platters). Said every player had to be able to do everything -

Then I started applying this to our mid group aaand :/

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A drunk monkey could have put a competitive list together with the draft picks GWS had

 

[wraglesweb]

A drunk monkey could have put a competitive list together with the draft picks GWS had

Well yeah but you have to give them some sort of credit.

 

[Keys]

Well yeah but you have to give them some sort of credit.

Why

They should actually be stronger than what they are if they'd properly nailed their draft picks

 

[wraglesweb]

Why

They should actually be stronger than what they are if they'd properly nailed their draft picks

How many clubs actually nail all their draft picks ?

 

[Galileo9]

We need to draft players who can get it first and if have speed a bonus.

We got Jetta in with speed so clearly that's not enough.

 

[Keys]

How many clubs actually nail all their draft picks ?

No club nails all their draft picks no but the Giants haven't got a better strike rate than anybody else it's just they've had way more chances

So why should they get any credit for developing a list that's been all but gifted to them

 

[Woutizmoo]

A drunk monkey could have put a competitive list together with the draft picks GWS had

Yeh true, GC are the only real comparison that can be made - Talk was that gc mostly went for speed and agility over size and are paying for it now

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[reimersworstguy]

it's more remarkable that gold coast ****ed it up so bad with the concessions they had, than that the giants will likely make their first grand final within 5 seasons of joining the competition.

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[Keys]

Yeh true, GC are the only real comparison that can be made - Talk was that gc mostly went for speed and agility over size and are paying for it now

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Gold Coast problems are as much to do with injury mismanagement as drafting and even though we're still a fair behind the Giants in terms of start up concessions

Where I will give GWS some credit is that they've been quite smart in their recruitment of players from other clubs. Certainly better that the Suns did and that smattering of experience across the ground has been invaluable

Having sheedy in the early days to breed in that campaigner attitude also has helped

 

[southcoast]

"Keyser Soze, post: 46834056, member: 32293"They should actually be stronger than what they are if they'd properly nailed their draft picks

By and large they have nailed their picks - what they haven't been able to do is retain their top picks.

According to an article on Perth Now the GWS have a bad retention rate, "The Giants lose players every year — their retention record ranks alongside Brisbane’s as the worst in the competition"

On this basis it is reasonable to suggest they nail their picks, and all the picks they get by trading 'want away' players, but just cannot keep them.

The full article is here

 

[frenchconnection]

What do we think re the whole Mitch Browns mrs signing for Collingwood or was that bullshit?

Have heard that Mitch is going to Collingwood to play with his brother? Also that Ezy will be staying at the Eagles next year. If Brown goes we need insurance in the backline to cover injuries anyway. Will depend upon what Simmo has in mind for Ezy?

 

[salo]

the giants can't possibly keep all that talent tearing up the neafl forever though. they've managed to trade assets for good contributors and valuable future assets however.

 

[wraglesweb]

No club nails all their draft picks no but the Giants haven't got a better strike rate than anybody else it's just they've had way more chances

So why should they get any credit for developing a list that's been all but gifted to them

Because Gold Coast couldn't do it for a start.

It's not just their draft picks it's who they traded in aswell

 

[Euro Star]

Why

They should actually be stronger than what they are if they'd properly nailed their draft picks

I still don't understand why GWS got the extra mini draft concessions, Gold Coast didn't get those.

Those concessions handed them the following trades:

O'meara (and pick 31) - pick 4 & first round compensation pick
Crouch (and Luke Brown) - pick 10 & first round compensation pick
Martin - pick 2 (some other picks were exchanges too)
Hogan and pick 20 - pick 3 & pick 14

7 first rounders over two years! That's a pretty big leg up over Gold Coast.