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but ah chee isn't undervalued tho. IMO undervalued type are the JPK, O'rourke, anderson and depth types in good sides. Ah chee is deadset average layer that showed a bit 2 years ago.

its more of a stop gap as most young KPP take time to develop. Could take a punt late on someone like brennan cox this year but he would probably take a couple of years to be ready for AFL. Someone like o'shea on a 1 or 2 year contract might not be too bad. I think bit like giles situation and his versatility is handy.
He showed a bit at the end of 2015, one year ago half the posts on this board were about ah chee. Change of environment may help. In any event, my post was more about your view that you don't take a cheap risk when you have a poor midfield already. To build midfield depth, we are going to need to use a number of strategies, and overlooking opportunities such as Ah Chee (or someone else suitable who is outside their teams current best 22) would be cutting out that avenue. unfortunately, the 'big fish' that most want to get don't come around all that often (if ever for some teams).

O'rourke cost hawthorn a bit and looks pretty average in a good side. If it was that easy to identify and get someone such as Kennedy cheap, we would all be doing it.
 

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but ah chee isn't undervalued tho. IMO undervalued type are the JPK, O'rourke, anderson and depth types in good sides. Ah chee is deadset average layer that showed a bit 2 years ago.

its more of a stop gap as most young KPP take time to develop. Could take a punt late on someone like brennan cox this year but he would probably take a couple of years to be ready for AFL. Someone like o'shea on a 1 or 2 year contract might not be too bad. I think bit like giles situation and his versatility is handy.
Kennedy was thought of as a pretty average player at Hawthorn...because he wasnt given the opportunity
 
nothing will happen over trade period, no heart as mentioned earlier..

As mentioned earlier, if you're just going to post non-constructive negative whining you can do that elsewhere. Maybe Facebook?
 
Kennedy was thought of as a pretty average player at Hawthorn...because he wasnt given the opportunity

Everyone wants a Kennedy. The problem is there aren't many other examples like that. While there's plenty of examples of guys traded to get more opportunities who have turned out to be just average players.
 
Well, if we were serious and it wasn't big business.....:D

Serously we are a way off unless we get two decent mids in the team. I reckon we are two decen mids off going anywhere.

Yep could not agree more and while it would not be popular especially on here I would certainly trade one to get a star mid. Have to be a star though.

2 mids are a priority, have to be in the Shuey vein not the Priddis vein.
 
Ellis and Mginnity would have had semi okay salaries, maybe Lecras will be told to retire so we can get Hogan over line.. and Emac is apparently on close to 600,000
If Emac can't crack the 22 he needs to be moved on purely to free that space up.

People say how could we come close to the cap but when you consider our marquee player NN is on around 800k and add in guys like JK, Lecras, Gov, Shuey, Priddis, Gaff, Emac, Wellingham, Hurn, Lycett etc that would all be on a bit you get to the 10.5 million pretty quick. Hogan is going to cost a fortune so we would need to make room.
 
Kennedy was thought of as a pretty average player at Hawthorn...because he wasnt given the opportunity
hawthorn was a good side with a good midfield then. A lot of kids would struggle. Ah chee is struggling to break into an average outfit.
He showed a bit at the end of 2015, one year ago half the posts on this board were about ah chee. Change of environment may help. In any event, my post was more about your view that you don't take a cheap risk when you have a poor midfield already. To build midfield depth, we are going to need to use a number of strategies, and overlooking opportunities such as Ah Chee (or someone else suitable who is outside their teams current best 22) would be cutting out that avenue. unfortunately, the 'big fish' that most want to get don't come around all that often (if ever for some teams).

O'rourke cost hawthorn a bit and looks pretty average in a good side. If it was that easy to identify and get someone such as Kennedy cheap, we would all be doing it.
thats a simliar pathway richmond has headed in the last few years and its got them no where to be honest.
 
hawthorn was a good side with a good midfield then. A lot of kids would struggle. Ah chee is struggling to break into an average outfit.

thats a simliar pathway richmond has headed in the last few years and its got them no where to be honest.

I wouldnt say their midfield is average

Gray
Ebert
Boak
Wines
Hartlett
Polec
 

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If Emac can't crack the 22 he needs to be moved on purely to free that space up.

People say how could we come close to the cap but when you consider our marquee player NN is on around 800k and add in guys like JK, Lecras, Gov, Shuey, Priddis, Gaff, Emac, Wellingham, Hurn, Lycett etc that would all be on a bit you get to the 10.5 million pretty quick. Hogan is going to cost a fortune so we would need to make room.

I wouldn't blame Ezy for seeking opportunities elsewhere. But who goes in to the side if one of Schoey, Barrass or Gov goes down? Bearing in mind Brown is looking to leave (the club has already said as much). We're not exactly overflowing with key defensive players.

Also the Hogan trade - if it does happen - wouldn't happen til the end of next year by which time Lecca will have retired, so that will help free up cap space.
 
hawthorn was a good side with a good midfield then. A lot of kids would struggle. Ah chee is struggling to break into an average outfit.

thats a simliar pathway richmond has headed in the last few years and its got them no where to be honest.
I think if you read my original post, I was suggesting that we keep rolling through such players until we find a good one. One or two list spots dedicated to finding the diamond in the rough is not any different from taking a fourth round pick. We just need to rotate through them more quickly. It is hardly suggesting get in a group of list cloggers. :huh:

But I know it is not the big footy way.

1. Trade in superstar. Doesn't happen, bitch at club for not being proactive.
2. Trade in young Josh Kennedy for next to nothing. Player doesn't demonstrate super stardom first game. Lament throwing away a middle order pick, bitch at club
3. Draft young fella. Same description as item 2 until such player comes good then proclaim you always believed.
4. Meltdown, just because.
 
So the Crows are active in trying to get Dustin Martin........I'll be pissed if we aren't active aswell he's the player we need !!
 
If Emac can't crack the 22 he needs to be moved on purely to free that space up.
If not moved on, at the very least his next salary needs to reflect his position within the squad. 600k is really the area reserved for your top half dozen players. I'm confident he can get back into being best 22, but I don't think he'll ever get back to being in our top 6 players again. Injuries suck big time and I feel for E-mac because so far it's cost him two seasons in his prime, and who knows if he gets back being a regular player at AFL level. But the reality is you need extract value out of the salary cap, and you can't be paying a guy 600K who isn't one of the very best players at the club.

Speaking more generally now, I wonder how often clubs push down players salaries because their performances no longer reflect their previous salary? I reckon aside from guys who are clearly in the last year or two of their career it probably doesn't happen very often. No good player manager should let their clients salary drop. But clubs needs to be tougher. There's only so much room in the salary cap and if there are players who aren't providing value, then they need to have their salary dropped to reflect their level of performances, and if they don't want to accept that then you move them on and use that salary cap to find someone who will provide that level of performance - especially with free agency now you can find that value without giving up players and draft picks.
 
you think he's going to want to do 16 hours of flying every second week to see his dad in NZ?
This is just Bullshit no team would let a player fly to NZ every week....

That is not something a club could accept as the norm.

And if they do they aren't a professional club and are letting the player be bigger than the club........

Just stupid !!!
 
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