Mega Thread Trade & Draft Gossip Part 3 - Mutterings, utterings and just plain BS - all in here, please

[Pritchard]

Not sure were after a 17 yr old pick, maybe just looking for a free upgrade for moving the 1st pick back to GWS.

something like this suggested by Giantforce.
Possible Example
*Hawks trade Pick #24 to Giants for Mini Draft Pick #1
*Hawks trade Mini Draft Pick #1 to Fremantle for Pick #16
*Fremantle trade Mini Draft Pick #1 to Giants for Pick #11

Hawks: Turn Pick #24 into Pick #16
Fremantle: Turn Pick #16 into pick #11
Giants: Get O'Meara and Pick #24 but loose Pick #11

Then give 16 Gunston and in effect we get Gunston for 24 and keep all our players.

Yeah I saw that and its probably close. I was more thinking something along the lines of
Freo: top 3 pick in ND
Hawks: 2nd 17yr old pick
GWS: 1st 17yr old pick.
top quality for all involved and adequate compo for bypassing O'Meara.
Obviously would much more involved but you get the drift.

 

[Sixpence]

Not sure were after a 17 yr old pick, maybe just looking for a free upgrade for moving the 1st pick back to GWS.

something like this suggested by Giantforce.
Possible Example
*Hawks trade Pick #24 to Giants for Mini Draft Pick #1
*Hawks trade Mini Draft Pick #1 to Fremantle for Pick #16
*Fremantle trade Mini Draft Pick #1 to Giants for Pick #11

Hawks: Turn Pick #24 into Pick #16
Fremantle: Turn Pick #16 into pick #11
Giants: Get O'Meara and Pick #24 but loose Pick #11

Then give 16 Gunston and in effect we get Gunston for 24 and keep all our players.

Pretty decent deal all round i'd say. You'd think Crows fans would be happy with pick 16 for Gunston too. Well, the reasonable ones anyway.

 

[Buddy Guy]

Thats it, not going to sleep again this week in case I miss something

 

[Messenger]

Not sure were after a 17 yr old pick, maybe just looking for a free upgrade for moving the 1st pick back to GWS.

something like this suggested by Giantforce.
Possible Example
*Hawks trade Pick #24 to Giants for Mini Draft Pick #1
*Hawks trade Mini Draft Pick #1 to Fremantle for Pick #16
*Fremantle trade Mini Draft Pick #1 to Giants for Pick #11

Hawks: Turn Pick #24 into Pick #16
Fremantle: Turn Pick #16 into pick #11
Giants: Get O'Meara and Pick #24 but loose Pick #11

Then give 16 Gunston and in effect we get Gunston for 24 and keep all our players.

I'd like to think we could get more than a pick upgrade for consenting to GWS doing and end run around the mini draft rules. I'd want another first rounder; we have lots of fish to fry.

The provision is in place to give the Giants something to bargain with, to give everyone else access to talent and hopefully put some hardened bodies in orange and grey.

I imagine the league is just chuffed that main candidates to grab the best 17 year old in the land are the two teams that have the rest of the best talent.

 

[Buddy Guy]

Yeah I saw that and its probably close. I was more thinking something along the lines of
Freo: top 3 pick in ND
Hawks: 2nd 17yr old pick
GWS: 1st 17yr old pick.
top quality for all involved and adequate compo for bypassing O'Meara.
Obviously would much more involved but you get the drift.

This is the deal I would much prefer to see happen.

 

[hawka187]

Still worried how close our salary cap must be, with all our stars and still looking at other players to sign up.

Yet St.Kilda only have a couple good players and nearly maxed their cap

 

[Buddy Guy]

Still worried how close our salary cap must be, with all our stars and still looking at other players to sign up.

Yet St.Kilda only have a couple good players and nearly maxed their cap

The Pelican was a master list manager. Exactly why St. Kilda poached him.

 

[chenyan]

Still worried how close our salary cap must be, with all our stars and still looking at other players to sign up.

Yet St.Kilda only have a couple good players and nearly maxed their cap

We have managed our contracts very very well by all accounts; both by re-signing players without any media attention and by front ending contracts a number of key players. I think the potential for veterans list concessions in the coming years might give us a little more wiggle room, however, I share your concern that we must surely be pushing it. Overall, I have faith in the club and it just goes to show how strong our list is for us to worry.

As for St. Kilda, they had a very strong list (2007-2010) and have been decimated by injuries and by topping up with older, more expensive, players. By topping up, they lost the required balance of young/experienced players on their list. They definitely have a numbers of out and out good players though; NDS, Roo, Goddard, Hayes, Fisher, McEvoy, etc.

 

[candiehappy]

Is Gillies any good? Must say I haven't seen him play. What do we offer Geelong for him?

I think Gunston will get to us as well.

In any case, it will be an interesting week

he's looking ok, I can't see why the cats would let him go.

 

[Dixie Flatline]

he's looking ok, I can't see why the cats would let him go.

Probably because Gillies wants to play AFL football and can't see himself playing much, if any, at the Cats in the next couple of years.

Same with Renouf. Hawthorn probably doesn't want to lose Renouf, but he might be seeking a trade to maximise AFL game-time.

As much as fans would like it to be so, clubs can't just have a list of 40+ players and keep them all happy.

 

[Rioli magic]

Surprised we haven't seen Cale Hooker's name thrown up a bit more, as far as I know he is uncontracted. If we did offer Gillies a contract as reported, maybe we are chasing a key back, so you'd think Hooker would be an option?

 

[Cynic]

Probably because Gillies wants to play AFL football and can't see himself playing much, if any, at the Cats in the next couple of years.

Same with Renouf. Hawthorn probably doesn't want to lose Renouf, but he might be seeking a trade to maximise AFL game-time.

As much as fans would like it to be so, clubs can't just have a list of 40+ players and keep them all happy.

It's amazing how people fail to recognise this fact. Lisle, Gillies, Ellis, Renouf all want to play AFL, if their current club can't guarantee that why wouldn't they look elsewhere.

 

[Slattery_20]

Surprised we haven't seen Cale Hooker's name thrown up a bit more, as far as I know he is uncontracted. If we did offer Gillies a contract as reported, maybe we are chasing a key back, so you'd think Hooker would be an option?

Other than his contract and the fact they've categorically ruled out trading him, this is a good point.

 

[RIOLINWITPUNCHS]

Terry Wallace saying it is very likely GWS will nab Omeara in this 3 way trade. Didn't mention clubs.

Hoping we are involved and it gives us access to this Crouch kid.

 

[tazhawk]

Terry Wallace saying it is very likely GWS will nab Omeara in this 3 way trade. Didn't mention clubs.

Hoping we are involved and it gives us access to this Crouch kid.

Us and Freo are the clubs involved.

 

[Turly]

The word on the street is that Cale Hooker is on the table if the right price is offered.

 

[Rioli magic]

Other than his contract and the fact they've categorically ruled out trading him, this is a good point.

Well I did say as far as I know he was uncontracted, which would change the situation. If he is contracted fair enough, thanks for your smartarse response. I wonder if that stance would remain if Rioli was on the table?

 

[Brant]

The word on the street is that Cale Hooker is on the table if the right price is offered.

That was implied on Trade Week Radio (Wallace perhaps) yesterday but was pure speculation from the way I heard it. The comment sounded plausible but I didn't hear any club references or quotes etc.

I also thought I heard that he was out of contract but I think Slatts covered that in a recent post.

Getting hold of CROUCH would be great. I thought it was more likely that clubs involved would get players/live picks in the trades though.

 

[RIOLINWITPUNCHS]

Us and Freo are the clubs involved.

Yeah Im aware of the discussions on this board regarding it but Terry Wallace was confirming that it is probably going to happen rather then may happen.

Im interested as to why it is us and freo involved and not other clubs.

Must be a mature player heading to GWS if this happens. Hmmmmm
interesting times.

 

[grizzlym]

The word on the street is that Cale Hooker is on the table if the right price is offered.

He was untouchable last year. Might just have missed their window there.

 

[Slattery_20]

Well I did say as far as I know he was uncontracted, which would change the situation. If he is contracted fair enough, thanks for your smartarse response. I wonder if that stance would remain if Rioli was on the table?

Probably not, he's in the 90-odd percent of players who would have their price.

Reading between the lines, no-one's come up to that price, this year at least.
Standard media management is scope this stuff early; then make categoric "we'd never trade..." display of loyalty.


For mine, last year it would've made some (small) sense. This year would make none.


Apologies if it came off harsh; but every year it's the same... "Essendon have 500 talls and no small players, trade <insert 1st 22 tall player> for <insert fringe small player>!!!"
(Normally Hooker)
When you look down our list, you realise we'd have absolutely spliff-all in the cupboard in terms of talls. Outside of the regulars there's only really 1 (1st year, under-height, under-sized) back and 1 (1st year, under-height, under-sized) forward, and Gumby... and Fletch realistically only has 3 or 4 years left.

ie It wouldn't make sense; unless we got really really good value.

So, yes, that suggestion (or similar) does get to me.
Apologies you copped it; it's really a rant against the world and you happened to walk into it!

 

[Turly]

That was implied on Trade Week Radio (Wallace perhaps) yesterday but was pure speculation from the way I heard it. The comment sounded plausible but I didn't hear any club references or quotes etc.

I also thought I heard that he was out of contract but I think Slatts covered that in a recent post.

Getting hold of CROUCH would be great. I thought it was more likely that clubs involved would get players/live picks in the trades though.

I didn't hear it from trade week radio, the way I hear it is that Essendon has put slattery, dyson and hooker on the table. Slattery and Dyson obviously won't attract to much interest but Hooker should attract plenty. They are seeking a midfielder in return.

 

[RIOLIUSTAR]

Just reported on TWR...

Laddo off to GWS

EDIT: Alledgedly

 

[Rioli magic]

Probably not, he's in the 90-odd percent of players who would have their price.

Reading between the lines, no-one's come up to that price, this year at least.
Standard media management is scope this stuff early; then make categoric "we'd never trade..." display of loyalty.


For mine, last year it would've made some (small) sense. This year would make none.


Apologies if it came off harsh; but every year it's the same... "Essendon have 500 talls and no small players, trade <insert 1st 22 tall player> for <insert fringe small player>!!!"
(Normally Hooker)
When you look down our list, you realise we'd have absolutely spliff-all in the cupboard in terms of talls. Outside of the regulars there's only really 1 (1st year, under-height, under-sized) back and 1 (1st year, under-height, under-sized) forward, and Gumby... and Fletch realistically only has 3 or 4 years left.

ie It wouldn't make sense; unless we got really really good value.

So, yes, that suggestion (or similar) does get to me.
Apologies you copped it; it's really a rant against the world and you happened to walk into it!

Haha, that's alright mate. Just thought if he was uncontracted and we were chasing Gillies, he would perhaps be more gettable. I'm not completely across the Essendon list, but I thought Carlisle could conceivably take his spot and with Daniher? coming next year, perhaps it could be an opportunity to address other areas.

 

[Brant]

There was plenty of talk mid-year that we were chasing one of the big defenders from Port. Now that has gone quiet, yet there is talk that Port are interested in Renouf.

Anyone heard anything recently re: our interest in Port's defenders & whether we are still/ever were interested; &, whether Renouf may be involved in those trades?

* Pure speculation *