List Mgmt. Trade/Draft/Targets rumours 2019

[JAKLAUGHING]

Confirmed 39.

Ellis departs Richmond

Richmond will not match the offer made by the Gold Coast SUNS to Free Agent, Brandon Ellis.

m.richmondfc.com.au

Shafted.

What a fecking joke!

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

Cracks me up all the Ellis haters now cracking the s**ts because we didnt get a first rounder.
That is funny.

Should be an end of 4th round.

 

[GPetro13]

Back to trade/drafts/target rumours seeing we’ve complained far too much about the pick, it is what it is...

Does anyone know if any clubs require picks 38,39,40 for F\S or zone selections? What are the chances that we will improve these picks to something earlier? We’re gonna have more come our way with Menadue and potentially Butler and McIntosh leaving.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

That is all perfectly well and true, however since contacts are not know to anyone but the club, AFL and the player all those outside of these groups can speculate. Since that is the case, all that is known is the media reported figure for the full contact value. In that case, the Tigers got shafted, as the whole contract reporting shows, Ellis was offered a contract comparable to other players mentioned

Dude this is what I've been saying

Are you just complaining because I'm not on Team **** You AFL?

Not everyone has to have the same ****ing opinion in this place

 

[Walt Kowalski]

After the first three backs (who are already in our 22) it drops of pretty quickly doesn't it? Garth will need a big pre-season, Balta's still a kid, they've thrown Miller forward to fast-track Balta's development (Not great signs for Miller) and if we're resorting to Chol or CCJ playing KPD it only proves my point more.

It drops off, same as any other club in the league. It's not like there's another Dylan Grimes just sitting around somewhere waiting to get his chance with us. These guys are elite.

What sort of player could she possibly be talking about who is mid 20s and would come to our club to be a back up KPD or KPF behind Rance/Grimes/Astbury or Riewoldt/Lynch. Because whoever that player is, they're gonna have to be better than Garthwaite/Balta/Chol/CCJ/Martin/Caddy. As in, literally name some players who you think fit this category.

 

[smurfin]

Can someone explain something please.

Prior to the AFL letting us know what compo wed receive, many thought that even if we got Band 2, that would in effect be the same result as Band 1 because of where our picks fell in the draft (end of round 1 v start of round 2).

Did we actually get a band 3, or had a lot of people been misinformed about how band 1 v band 2 would operate?

Band 1 is after your 1st round pick (your original pick if traded to someone else)
Band 2 is at the end of the 1st round.
For the premiers, they give exactly the same, unless other clubs have a band 2 pick - then your band 2 is after theirs.
Band 3 is after your 2nd round pick - I assume this is what we are getting.

Band 1 & Band 3 heavily penalise you for success. The pick 39 we get would be pick 22 if we were last on the ladder.
That's why Hawthorn got pick 19 or whatever for Buddy while Melbourne got pick 3 for Frawley - both Band 1.

 

[Charlie Pannam]

The issue i have apart from the lack of transparentcy from the AFL is why couldn't they judge that while pick 20 is to low and pick 39 is too high why they couldn't meet in the middle.
Didn't a few clubs get a compo pick around the 10 mark recently?

Yes that would have been a good result and it does mention the AFL has discretion to alter compensation as they see fit.

Far to sensible for them

 

[THECHIEFTON]

We should trade our 3 or 4 x 3rd round picks for Gold Coast mid 1st round priority pick next year lol. Do they need points for academy players?

 

[smurfin]

Back to trade/drafts/target rumours seeing we’ve complained far too much about the pick, it is what it is...

Does anyone know if any clubs require picks 38,39,40 for F\S or zone selections? What are the chances that we will improve these picks to something earlier? We’re gonna have more come our way with Menadue and potentially Butler and McIntosh leaving.

GWS has a player likely to go top 5, they have pick 12 & 18 then 55, 77.
38+39+40 = slightly more points than pick 12. They may consider trading.

Freo & Hawthorn have players, but probably not bid until after their picks 7 & 11 respectively, so unlikely to want to trade their first round picks and not really interested in their next picks - 26 & 30.

St Kilda's pick 6 is worth considering, as they have multiple players they want to trade in but SFA currency (6, 57, 69). They would find our picks 19,38,39,40 handy given they are interested in Hill, Ryder, Zac Jones, Dougal Howard, Sam Gray..... I'd consider trading 19,38,39 & Butler for pick 6 & their 2020 2nd rounder. Or something like that, I imagine they may need a trade like that more than we do. But I'd rather have pick 6 and 70 than 19,38,39,40.

 

[Tigerandy63]

Can we change our minds and match then trade?

Our tight salary cap says no. We have 2 blokes on $1m, plus Cotch, Jack, Rance, Prestia all on 600K+. We have to let a few go.

 

[Bojangles17]

Nope not paranoid at all.

Just venting my frustration at how 4 players on similar length/value deals, can have 3 adjudged to be worth a band 2 pick while the 4th isn't.

The only way it works out is if the Suns base is about $150-200k below overall yearly average of $600k, which would cause a drop in points awarded to put him below the band 2 threshold.

Highly unlikely that he would have left for that sort of high risk deal given it's supposed to be about setting up his family for life.

Also highly unlikely as the guaranteed $$ is what attracted GC over pursuing an ess offer

 

[Tigerandy63]

We got Lynch for nothing. Who gives a fu**!?

Free agency has served us well overall.

Add Stack & Pickett to the list. We've done exceptionally well.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Add Stack & Pickett to the list. We've done exceptionally well.

yeah but they were not free agents

its essentially penalizing richmond for being successful

 

[Stitch]

Anyone seen the highlights on the Suns' website....

Highlights: Brandon Ellis

A unique look to the player of Brandon Ellis

www.goldcoastfc.com.au

They've just taken stock photos of Brandon, edited in a sherrin, moved his arms and played some commentary in the background. I don't know whether to laugh at the effort they went to making a low budget 60 second stop motion clip or to laugh at the fact that they couldn't find/make a highlight reel of Ellis or to laugh at why they didn't just use the AFL website's own highlights package. Feel sorry for the fans because he actually has some decent highlights.

 

[ivansarmy]

I hope that with the AFL screwing us over with the Ellis pick we grit our teeth and make sure we get fair value (not unreasonable but fair) for guys like Butler. The fact that the club has publicly stated their disappointment makes me think we had plans with that pick, so we need to be clever and trade our way up. Look forward to seeing what we do.

 

[tiger_tough]

We should trade our 3 or 4 x 3rd round picks for Gold Coast mid 1st round priority pick next year lol. Do they need points for academy players?

Don't they now have a free hit at all their academy prospects? Ie they just need any old pick to grab them? Like the father/son used to be (And still should be)?

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

All the best Brando...

 

[Tigerandy63]

yeah but they were not free agents

its essentially penalizing richmond for being successful

Yes agreed. We are like Makybe Diva after her 2nd Melbourne Cup. They handicap us by giving us more weight to carry. But she (hopefully like us) won a 3rd Cup.

 

[Charlie Pannam]

GWS has a player likely to go top 5, they have pick 12 & 18 then 55, 77.
38+39+40 = slightly more points than pick 12. They may consider trading.

Freo & Hawthorn have players, but probably not bid until after their picks 7 & 11 respectively, so unlikely to want to trade their first round picks and not really interested in their next picks - 26 & 30.

St Kilda's pick 6 is worth considering, as they have multiple players they want to trade in but SFA currency (6, 57, 69). They would find our picks 19,38,39,40 handy given they are interested in Hill, Ryder, Zac Jones, Dougal Howard, Sam Gray..... I'd consider trading 19,38,39 & Butler for pick 6 & their 2020 2nd rounder. Or something like that, I imagine they may need a trade like that more than we do. But I'd rather have pick 6 and 70 than 19,38,39,40.

Great analysis Smurfin
Hawks have a FS who killed it at the combine and is looking likely they’ll have to use one of their early picks

As you mentioned 38,39,40 is the equivalent of 11 or 12. I’m not sure of the merit of trading up this year the draft is apparently very even (according to David King) from 8- mid 30s.

Maybe somehow if we could push our way into the top 8 using our first and combo of other picks. Think this would be unlikely however

 

[Tigerandy63]

I would use 19, 74, 76 in this years draft & try to trade away 38, 39, 40 for a teams 1st rounder next year. Someone desperate for points this year will come to the party. Don't forget we will likely get picks for Butler, Menadue, McIntosh as well.

 

[Laffy2Chaffey2Daffy]

GWS has a player likely to go top 5, they have pick 12 & 18 then 55, 77.
38+39+40 = slightly more points than pick 12. They may consider trading.

and that GWS player is a grandson of a Tiger legend, so let him cut his teeth at the Giants for a couple of years then bring him down to Tigerland

 

[jesterx]

Anyone seen the highlights on the Suns' website....

Highlights: Brandon Ellis

A unique look to the player of Brandon Ellis

www.goldcoastfc.com.au

They've just taken stock photos of Brandon, edited in a sherrin, moved his arms and played some commentary in the background. I don't know whether to laugh at the effort they went to making a low budget 60 second stop motion clip or to laugh at the fact that they couldn't find/make a highlight reel of Ellis or to laugh at why they didn't just use the AFL website's own highlights package. Feel sorry for the fans because he actually has some decent highlights.

This is so bad ahaha. Also 'a look to the player of Brandon Ellis' what kind of sentence is that?

 

[Rocco sifreddi]

At least some cash relief with brando leaving
Can be spread on others, thats the positive im looking at ,stack and pickett aren't gonna be on chump change forever.

 

[Punt rd end]

I know now why I didn't miss the argumentative, always right know it all

 

[Laffy2Chaffey2Daffy]

Is Zac Jones still in the picture? I feel he'd be the perfect replacement for Brando as whipping boy.