List Mgmt. Trade & F/A - 2020

[Capital Magpie]

Then what happens when Stephenson is playing well and he is Not.

Like RD1 this season

Fair point Dave. Stepho is a gem and we're lucky to have him. He's somewhat out of sorts at the moment, due to the lingering effects of GF. That's making a lot of posters think we could have done better with someone like Naughton, but Stepho at his best is every bit as good value as Naughton would be to us.

The grass is always greener on the other side, as they say.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

I had another peak through the UFA list.

- Will Snelling. Only a rookie at the bombers. Pressure small crumbing forward. He’s averaging 5.3 tackles per game.

- Josh Walker. He’s a good solid defender. I wanted him last year.

2020 free agents unveiled, surprise Giant 'restricted'

Check out all the restricted and unrestricted free agents for 2020

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I must admit I didn’t know Rookies could be free agents too.

 

[Apex36]

4 years, 55 games, 59 goals. 19 games goalless.

3 years, 47 games, 56 goals. 15 games goalless. He was shifted to defence in the 2018 preseason and played there all year, despite the 3 goals he kicked early on.

I mean I can somewhat agree but not numbers that jump out.
Chuck him forward and he kicks 30-40 goals a year yet down the other end we get an extra 15-20 kicked on us because we don’t have his aerial support.

There are very few key talls who have amazing numbers in their first 3 years in the system. As an experiment, let’s compare Moore’s numbers at the same age to Ben King, whom everybody thinks is the second coming of Jesus:

Darcy Moore and Ben King AFL Stats Comparison

Darcy Moore and Ben King AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

Wow, apart from Kings 0.2 goals per game more, it seems Moore has him covered in almost every area...
What about their debut seasons then:

Darcy Moore and Ben King AFL Stats Comparison

Darcy Moore and Ben King AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

Hmm, a little more even, but overall Moore has the slight edge still imo, despite the fractional goal difference. So, do we conclude that Ben King is only going to be a 30-40 goal forward, or will his output shoot up in a couple of years once he’s got some experience and another 10kgs under his belt like Moore has now?

In addition, we had a very solid defence in 2018 with no Moore for the most part. He’s a gun defender, no doubt, but defenders are easier to find and produce than gun key forwards. I think you’re overestimating how much our defence relies on him. Howe is a far more important cog in the machine imo, as is Langdon.

Much of a muchness really. Think people extremely underrate his addition to our side in the defensive half.

Nope. He’s one of the best key defenders in the league, no doubt. He also has the tools to be one of the best key forwards too, which are far harder to find and thus, more valuable.

 

[AndrewShawble]

Then what happens when Stephenson is playing well and he is Not.

Like RD1 this season

Dont get me wrong, I really like Stevo - he has that X factor than can turn a game in minutes.

More so Naughton is a player that can change your whole team structure. Anyway, hindsight.

 

[stormskye]

3 years, 47 games, 56 goals. 15 games goalless. He was shifted to defence in the 2018 preseason and played there all year, despite the 3 goals he kicked early on.
There are very few key talls who have amazing numbers in their first 3 years in the system. As an experiment, let’s compare Moore’s numbers at the same age to Ben King, whom everybody thinks is the second coming of Jesus:

Darcy Moore and Ben King AFL Stats Comparison

Darcy Moore and Ben King AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

Wow, apart from Kings 0.2 goals per game more, it seems Moore has him covered in almost every area...
What about their debut seasons then:

Darcy Moore and Ben King AFL Stats Comparison

Darcy Moore and Ben King AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

Hmm, a little more even, but overall Moore has the slight edge still imo, despite the fractional goal difference. So, do we conclude that Ben King is only going to be a 30-40 goal forward, or will his output shoot up in a couple of years once he’s got some experience and another 10kgs under his belt like Moore has now?

In addition, we had a very solid defence in 2018 with no Moore for the most part. He’s a gun defender, no doubt, but defenders are easier to find and produce than gun key forwards. I think you’re overestimating how much our defence relies on him. Howe is a far more important cog in the machine imo, as is Langdon.


Nope. He’s one of the best key defenders in the league, no doubt. He also has the tools to be one of the best key forwards too, which are far harder to find and thus, more valuable.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

3 years, 47 games, 56 goals. 15 games goalless. He was shifted to defence in the 2018 preseason and played there all year, despite the 3 goals he kicked early on.
There are very few key talls who have amazing numbers in their first 3 years in the system. As an experiment, let’s compare Moore’s numbers at the same age to Ben King, whom everybody thinks is the second coming of Jesus:

Darcy Moore and Ben King AFL Stats Comparison

Darcy Moore and Ben King AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

Wow, apart from Kings 0.2 goals per game more, it seems Moore has him covered in almost every area...
What about their debut seasons then:

Darcy Moore and Ben King AFL Stats Comparison

Darcy Moore and Ben King AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

Hmm, a little more even, but overall Moore has the slight edge still imo, despite the fractional goal difference. So, do we conclude that Ben King is only going to be a 30-40 goal forward, or will his output shoot up in a couple of years once he’s got some experience and another 10kgs under his belt like Moore has now?

In addition, we had a very solid defence in 2018 with no Moore for the most part. He’s a gun defender, no doubt, but defenders are easier to find and produce than gun key forwards. I think you’re overestimating how much our defence relies on him. Howe is a far more important cog in the machine imo, as is Langdon.


Nope. He’s one of the best key defenders in the league, no doubt. He also has the tools to be one of the best key forwards too, which are far harder to find and thus, more valuable.

Agreed with everything you said. I remember doing a comparison between Daniher & Moore at the end of 2017. Moore had better stats as a forward.

 

[legendstatus]

Moving Elliott, Stephenson & Phillips on for draft or trade options is paramount for us this year. Crazy if we don’t be bold this year.


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[soreplums]

Why would they NOT Bid?

Pick 1 gets a bonus 10K. Would rather that go to one of my own players.

Unless Dogs trade their first rounder this year and are left with third round picks and next year’s first round and not enough deficit points.

Question: if dogs have 2 2021 first rounders and need to use them on Ugle this year, do left over points go the next pick?

 

[No SPIN]

3 years, 47 games, 56 goals. 15 games goalless. He was shifted to defence in the 2018 preseason and played there all year, despite the 3 goals he kicked early on.
There are very few key talls who have amazing numbers in their first 3 years in the system. As an experiment, let’s compare Moore’s numbers at the same age to Ben King, whom everybody thinks is the second coming of Jesus:

Darcy Moore and Ben King AFL Stats Comparison

Darcy Moore and Ben King AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

Wow, apart from Kings 0.2 goals per game more, it seems Moore has him covered in almost every area...
What about their debut seasons then:

Darcy Moore and Ben King AFL Stats Comparison

Darcy Moore and Ben King AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

Hmm, a little more even, but overall Moore has the slight edge still imo, despite the fractional goal difference. So, do we conclude that Ben King is only going to be a 30-40 goal forward, or will his output shoot up in a couple of years once he’s got some experience and another 10kgs under his belt like Moore has now?

In addition, we had a very solid defence in 2018 with no Moore for the most part. He’s a gun defender, no doubt, but defenders are easier to find and produce than gun key forwards. I think you’re overestimating how much our defence relies on him. Howe is a far more important cog in the machine imo, as is Langdon.


Nope. He’s one of the best key defenders in the league, no doubt. He also has the tools to be one of the best key forwards too, which are far harder to find and thus, more valuable.

Great post - it’s like the KPF answer is smacking us in the head but we can’t pull the trigger.
A good KPF kicking goals makes defensive concerns less significant, particularly as you’ve said, 2018, proved how good our defence was without Moore.
We have since added Roughy and hopefully Langdon returns and Murphy also makes his mark. And of course Kelly can also play back.

And the most important and significant advantage, is we also preserve cap space for uses in ways other paying for a gun forward.

 

[No SPIN]

Moving Elliott, Stephenson & Phillips on for draft or trade options is paramount for us this year. Crazy if we don’t be bold this year.


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what are your thoughts on why Stevo needs to go?

 

[soreplums]

Moving Elliott, Stephenson & Phillips on for draft or trade options is paramount for us this year. Crazy if we don’t be bold this year.


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Love Elliott and feel he can add a point of difference to our midfield, but would offer him and our first for Hawthorn’s first and if possible a third rounder (this year or next)

 

[Quicky]

Sorry for the late reply.....I went to bed before reading your question...
My strategy would be simple....take the best picks you can to the draft. Keep and play Cox but also play Kelly and Mihocek up front as well. Drop players depending on form and team balance. Get a good KPF in the draft and develop them. We haven't drafted a KPF since Dawes.

The strategy of using Darcy Moore forward has some merit, (its easier to draft a key back) but am I willing to re-injure him by playing him forward?....million dollar question. I've been there before: Billy Picken came to the club as a CHF, (so too did Presti and Ben Reid) the fact they all ended up behind the ball shows that sometimes you've just got to accept that a bloke that can mark anything just can't play smart enough to be a forward.

I think our first priority needs to be a developing key forward, I agree with you. Anything else we do can't get in the way of that. It seems a decent draft for it too and we should be well positioned for it. I'm hopeful we do it.

 

[Capital Magpie]

Moving Elliott, Stephenson & Phillips on for draft or trade options is paramount for us this year. Crazy if we don’t be bold this year.


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Craziness to move Stepho. He is untradeable because we wouldn't get value for him and sure as eggs, he'd embarass us at his new club. Elliot? He's been great this year, appears over his injury issues and any trade would have to be very good for us, otherwise no thanks. Phillips? Let's see what we would get for him.

 

[Robroy22]

This is simply not true, he actually did more hammies in defence then fwd before seeing the hammy guru.

He was drafted 2014. Did his first hammy (CFC) May 2015 playing CHFessendon in the VFL. Played 9 games in the AFL that year.
His second hammy came in August 2016 Playing as a FF against GCSuns in the AFL. The first hammy was a 4 weeker, the second was worse and treated conservatively.
In 2017 Darcy played 20 games and kicked 25 goals, so he was still a forward and he was at this stage experiencing Hamstring "sensitivity".
In 2018 he only played 7 games for the season (kicked 3 goals) and was trialled as a defender hoping that this would put less stress on his hamstrings. After battling sensitivity and again injuring his hammies, he was sent to Germany to rehab, hoping to be back in time for finals.
In the past 2 years he has played 28 games as a defender.

Sorry.

 

[loki04]

He was drafted 2014. Did his first hammy (CFC) May 2015 playing CHFessendon in the VFL. Played 9 games in the AFL that year.
His second hammy came in August 2016 Playing as a FF against GCSuns in the AFL. The first hammy was a 4 weeker, the second was worse and treated conservatively.
In 2017 Darcy played 20 games and kicked 25 goals, so he was still a forward and he was at this stage experiencing Hamstring "sensitivity".
In 2018 he only played 7 games for the season (kicked 3 goals) and was trialled as a defender hoping that this would put less stress on his hamstrings. After battling sensitivity and again injuring his hammies, he was sent to Germany to rehab, hoping to be back in time for finals.
In the past 2 years he has played 28 games as a defender.

Sorry.

In 18 he did it playing defense, he did 2 to 3 minor hammies whilst back only his first 2 were forward.

The German doctor fixed him and Elliott.

 

[Unknown Identity]

Alex Sexton please.

 

[stormskye]

Get Tom McDonald from melb, move Moore forward.

I’ll see myself out

 

[AndrewShawble]

Alex Sexton please.

Sexton and Wright double

Is Phillips and Thomas in return getting it done?

 

[Chrispiesssss]

Sexton and Wright double

Is Phillips and Thomas in return getting it done?

And our first rounder hahah. Sexton is a gun player.

 

[Apex36]

He was drafted 2014. Did his first hammy (CFC) May 2015 playing CHFessendon in the VFL. Played 9 games in the AFL that year.

Are you sure about that? He started off in the VFL in defence,and I distinctly remember him dropping like he’d been shot while running along the wing...

His second hammy came in August 2016 Playing as a FF against GCSuns in the AFL. The first hammy was a 4 weeker, the second was worse and treated conservatively.
In 2017 Darcy played 20 games and kicked 25 goals, so he was still a forward and he was at this stage experiencing Hamstring "sensitivity".
In 2018 he only played 7 games for the season (kicked 3 goals) and was trialled as a defender hoping that this would put less stress on his hamstrings. After battling sensitivity and again injuring his hammies, he was sent to Germany to rehab, hoping to be back in time for finals.
In the past 2 years he has played 28 games as a defender.

Sorry.

I seem to remember that they swung him back a couple of times at the end of 2017 and were pleased with the results, thus putting him in defence over the 2018 preseason. He was a defender for that entire year, saying that he was put to defence during that year to try and ease stress on his hammies is both revisionist and speculative. The facts are that he missed almost an entire year as a defender with hamstring issues. The notion that one end of the ground vs the other places less stress on hamstrings is a myth. Whether breaking on a lead, or trying to close space on your opponent, both roles place the hamstrings under significant pressure.

 

[mike123]

Cameron cant be converted to kpd back up. Probably depends how confident we are with Keane.

What makes you think that?

 

[Apex36]

Sexton and Wright double

Is Phillips and Thomas in return getting it done?

Only if the GC list manager has been eating shrooms beforehand.

 

[mike123]

Take it very seroous his body language is shocking
We're got a few guys playing selfish footy
Obvious when you review the games
He's not getting any gives
Same thing happened to Nathan Freeman, same thing to seir
(Always find training enlighteningning)
Run past never get
Make space never get

We're playing selfish not selfless

His body language has always been average, it doesn’t mean anything

 

[mike123]

4 years, 55 games, 59 goals. 19 games goalless.

I mean I can somewhat agree but not numbers that jump out.
Chuck him forward and he kicks 30-40 goals a year yet down the other end we get an extra 15-20 kicked on us because we don’t have his aerial support.

Much of a muchness really. Think people extremely underrate his addition to our side in the defensive half.

How many goals did we concede in 2018 compared to 19?

 

[AndrewShawble]

Only if the GC list manager has been eating shrooms beforehand.

Wouldn’t be that far off, Wright isn’t getting a game and Sexton has been dropped a couple of times.

Despite Phillips being a whipping boy he has currency and is best 22. Thomas dropped a couple of times but has spent the best part of the last 3 seasons as a best 22.