List Mgmt. Trade & F/A - 2020

[Robroy22]

IMO Scache was very similar to both Lynch and Boyd at junior level

Except that both Lynch and Boyd could also take contested marks yeah very similar.....not. Schache was more like a young, slower version of Buddy...good on the lead but not into body contact. Much better kick than Buddy and he would have had development coaches drooling, thinking they just needed to teach him a few tricks....unfortunately they never could. Interesting to see if someone actually takes Schache on to try and teach him how to be a defender....

 

[Robroy22]

The highlights Logan M I’ve seen are underwhelming unless there are others that excite some on this forum - granted only 18 but doesn’t look to gave a second effort and like Lynch from Tigers, its mark the ball or nothing???


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Seems to working OK for Tom?

 

[vicparksfinest]

Just on Schache, if he replaced WHE would anyone think that’s a bad thing?
Both ‘soft’ and would ply high half forward - wing role, Shache a few years younger and would save money. Can actually support as key target if Bblokes fall down during the year. I don’t know why everyone e is so against him.
Still only 23 could blossom-averaged 2 goals a game last year? I think without checking

 

[Knightmare]

Why would we Draft yet another Mid when we have Tons of them?

Collingwood's midfield is ageing and lacking good youth.

Pendlebury, Treloar, Adams, Sidebottom. They're the good mids and they're not spring chickens.

Macrae/Reef addressed that instantly and gives the club two good mids to have start developing under these guys, with the capabilities of displacing some of our lesser mids. When guys like J.Thomas/Wills/Sier/T.Brown even get games it's a good indicator that more good mids are needed.

 

[TradeDraft]

Collingwood's midfield is ageing and lacking good youth.

Pendlebury, Treloar, Adams, Sidebottom. They're the good mids and they're not spring chickens.

Macrae/Reef addressed that instantly and gives the club two good mids to have start developing under these guys, with the capabilities of displacing some of our lesser mids. When guys like J.Thomas/Wills/Sier/T.Brown even get games it's a good indicator that more good mids are needed.

Going by that and Midfield is 1 of our suppose Strongest Areas on the Ground make me sound we need to take a Few Steps Backwards before going Forward again IF we need to ReBuild our Midfield a bit

 

[stormskye]

Collingwood's midfield is ageing and lacking good youth.

Pendlebury, Treloar, Adams, Sidebottom. They're the good mids and they're not spring chickens.

Macrae/Reef addressed that instantly and gives the club two good mids to have start developing under these guys, with the capabilities of displacing some of our lesser mids. When guys like J.Thomas/Wills/Sier/T.Brown even get games it's a good indicator that more good mids are needed.

Add daicos next year and I agree we can cover this.

just a question of how we address our KPF and KPD depth...

what do you think North would want for brown? KPF really is a MUST but roughy is old, and we need to cover him as well... more I look at our list the more concerned I become!

will be a few salary dumps I’d assume in Schache, Wright, McDonald etc would have to look at, at the very least due to our lacking depth.

The more I think about it, the more I think we should seriously look at trading treloar. But given his injury the currency is questionable atm. Saints might overpay for him!

 

[Darkyprotector]

Cutting down 46-47 names on the list down to 29-30?

Reid, Dunn, Varcoe, Broomhead, Mayne, Cox (trade) or Lynch... gets hard after that

Cutting the Irish boys, Wilson, Atu... when they have more development left in them

If the list numbers are cut so drastically I hope down the track the AFL allows clubs priority to redraft anyone they had to prematurely let go during list restructuring

Well yould think so
Shows how were going
47 to 29
It's time we all look ahead
Won't be hard at all
Retire
Reid
Beam's
varcoe
Broomhead
Dunn
Mayne. (7)
Langdon
Trade bait
Cox
Lynch
Thomas
Phillips. (7)
Sharenburg
Wills
Seir
Delist
Appleby
Tohill
Broomhead. (4)
Atu

That was very easy (18)
GIVES US
Roughy. Howe
Maynard Moore crisp
Daicos. Pendels treleor
Sidey. Checkers
Stepho. Elliott

Grundy degoey Adams

Depth
Whe
Murphy
Cameron
Kelly
Bianco
Ruscoe
Noble
Keene
Wilson
Greenwood
C brown
T brown
Rantall
Magden


Heck if we really want to be great
You'll trade de goey for a first and a future
(He's undisciplined,
Ex Norths first and next years first


He's injury prone and I believe will never be the weapon we hope ( calf's)

 

[Darkyprotector]

How are they realistically going to cut down list sizes? Given our injury issues over the last few years, we would not be able to field a team. Many clubs end up with 8-10 injuries. I just can’t see how it’s feasible at all and also prevents any development of kids. It’s just not viable

Viable or not
It's more likely than not


Mini draft
Mid year
Supplementary players
47 guys X 18 isn't viable

 

[Knightmare]

Going by that and Midfield is 1 of our suppose Strongest Areas on the Ground make me sound we need to take a Few Steps Backwards before going Forward again IF we need to ReBuild our Midfield a bit

I don't consider Collingwood's midfield a strength anymore. Grundy is either 1a or 1b in the best ruck conversation. But he doesn't have enough support.

Adams is the only mid inside the top-50 for clearances this season. Centre clearances is again Adams, but Pendlebury equal 49th.

I see a midfield that doesn't take advantage of Grundy's dominance and frankly makes Grundy look worse than he is. Another genuine first possession winner and some hot sauce of some kind is needed in there - whether it's a guy with speed, skills or brings elite pressure to the table.

I don't see a top-20 midfielder on quality on this list anymore with the likes of Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Treloar and Adams more your 20-35 quality mids.

The midfield I consider two good mids short of being in the conversation with the best midfields in the competition.

Add daicos next year and I agree we can cover this.

just a question of how we address our KPF and KPD depth...

what do you think North would want for brown? KPF really is a MUST but roughy is old, and we need to cover him as well... more I look at our list the more concerned I become!

will be a few salary dumps I’d assume in Schache, Wright, McDonald etc would have to look at, at the very least due to our lacking depth.

The more I think about it, the more I think we should seriously look at trading treloar. But given his injury the currency is questionable atm. Saints might overpay for him!

The value of Brown I consider, and this is my view only, to be around the early second round mark. If Collingwood trade down the first round pick for Brown and the Essendon second round pick they hold would be something I'm sure they'd agree to, and they'd probably throw in a Majak Daw if we wanted him for an extra KPP if we wanted him. Daw would be an upgrade on Dunn as a depth key defender and possibly could overtake Roughead for his spot if he can get back to his 2018 form.

Overall, the trade period and delisted free agency pool is what I'd be looking at to address KPP holes, and I'd be looking at all those guys who have at some stage or another played to a clear best-22 standard and give a number of them calls. There are so many good ones and this is the offseason where I'm seeing so many of them just not being appropriately valued. How a Ben Brown who plays 22 games every year and has kicked 60 goals+ each of the past three years is dropped is madness. Tom McDonald, Aliir Aliir. It's madness seeing this calibre of footballer not in their best teams. Jesse Hogan I'd recruit if Fremantle wish to wash their hands of him and delist him. There are so many of these kinds of guys out of favour that Collingwood could reasonably add two key forwards and two key defenders with the view towards them all being best 22 players, straight off of rival lists. And I'm not even suggesting we need to look at these guys as depth, they're better in my view than our existing guys and would allow a Moore to be released to become the relieving ruckman behind Grundy.

 

[TradeDraft]

I don't consider Collingwood's midfield a strength anymore. Grundy is either 1a or 1b in the best ruck conversation. But he doesn't have enough support.

Adams is the only mid inside the top-50 for clearances this season. Centre clearances is again Adams, but Pendlebury equal 49th.

I see a midfield that doesn't take advantage of Grundy's dominance and frankly makes Grundy look worse than he is. Another genuine first possession winner and some hot sauce of some kind is needed in there - whether it's a guy with speed, skills or brings elite pressure to the table.

I don't see a top-20 midfielder on quality on this list anymore with the likes of Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Treloar and Adams more your 20-35 quality mids.

The midfield I consider two good mids short of being in the conversation with the best midfields in the competition.

So we Pretty much Rebuilding our Forward Line and Midfield. Would it be time to Dump some Mids and Forwards who are Clearly not good enough.

Think we might be 2-3 Years off Contending again IF we have to fix our Forwards and Midfield

 

[Knightmare]

So we Pretty much Rebuilding our Forward Line and Midfield. Would it be time to Dump some Mids and Forwards who are Clearly not good enough.

Think we might be 2-3 Years off Contending again IF we have to fix our Forwards and Midfield

I like Collingwood's defence. That's the foundation of strength. Midfield is shallow. Front half is barren.

Midfield needs adding to with the long term stocks bleak. When Pendlebury and Sidebottom retire. There's not much left.

I'd be dumping a lot of the veterans who aren't clear best 22 and a lot of the mid-career depth guys also. Those 2nd/3rd year guys I'd give more time to, but those others not clearly inside best 22 I'd be moving. Whether it's guys available for late picks or as delisted free agents. I see opportunities externally to improve the list as a lot better than with a lot of the existing players.

I'd have a large proportion of the players on the trade table outside of those better 12 or so players.

It's not an offseason to be conservative. Incredible opportunities out there on rival lists.

 

[stormskye]

I don't consider Collingwood's midfield a strength anymore. Grundy is either 1a or 1b in the best ruck conversation. But he doesn't have enough support.

Adams is the only mid inside the top-50 for clearances this season. Centre clearances is again Adams, but Pendlebury equal 49th.

I see a midfield that doesn't take advantage of Grundy's dominance and frankly makes Grundy look worse than he is. Another genuine first possession winner and some hot sauce of some kind is needed in there - whether it's a guy with speed, skills or brings elite pressure to the table.

I don't see a top-20 midfielder on quality on this list anymore with the likes of Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Treloar and Adams more your 20-35 quality mids.

The midfield I consider two good mids short of being in the conversation with the best midfields in the competition.



The value of Brown I consider, and this is my view only, to be around the early second round mark. If Collingwood trade down the first round pick for Brown and the Essendon second round pick they hold would be something I'm sure they'd agree to, and they'd probably throw in a Majak Daw if we wanted him for an extra KPP if we wanted him. Daw would be an upgrade on Dunn as a depth key defender and possibly could overtake Roughead for his spot if he can get back to his 2018 form.

Overall, the trade period and delisted free agency pool is what I'd be looking at to address KPP holes, and I'd be looking at all those guys who have at some stage or another played to a clear best-22 standard and give a number of them calls. There are so many good ones and this is the offseason where I'm seeing so many of them just not being appropriately valued. How a Ben Brown who plays 22 games every year and has kicked 60 goals+ each of the past three years is dropped is madness. Tom McDonald, Aliir Aliir. It's madness seeing this calibre of footballer not in their best teams. Jesse Hogan I'd recruit if Fremantle wish to wash their hands of him and delist him. There are so many of these kinds of guys out of favour that Collingwood could reasonably add two key forwards and two key defenders with the view towards them all being best 22 players, straight off of rival lists. And I'm not even suggesting we need to look at these guys as depth, they're better in my view than our existing guys and would allow a Moore to be released to become the relieving ruckman behind Grundy.

I think the Roughead deal for us alone highlight you can find some bargains for key position players and depth. I hope we find a couple this off season. And I agree, our midfield has dropped off. Forward line well, we get it there enough but we don’t have any semblance of a forward line or structure. Playing ruckmen as KPF, to many medium marking forwards, no crumbers, lack of goal kickers, lack of any ability to kick goals from 40m... Defenders may as well just flood inside 40m and allow our forwards to mark free 40m out cause they know we are no threat

I value good defenders, but end of the day if eagles lost either McGovern or kennedy, who would be easier to replace? KPF are worth their weight in gold

 

[kaistar]

Kyle Hartigan would be an upgrade in defence. Built like a brick wall. As big as any KF.

 

[whiskeytown]

Well yould think so
Shows how were going
47 to 29
It's time we all look ahead
Won't be hard at all
Retire
Reid
Beam's
varcoe
Broomhead
Dunn
Mayne. (7)
Langdon
Trade bait
Cox
Lynch
Thomas
Phillips. (7)
Sharenburg
Wills
Seir
Delist
Appleby
Tohill
Broomhead. (4)
Atu

That was very easy (18)
GIVES US
Roughy. Howe
Maynard Moore crisp
Daicos. Pendels treleor
Sidey. Checkers
Stepho. Elliott

Grundy degoey Adams

Depth
Whe
Murphy
Cameron
Kelly
Bianco
Ruscoe
Noble
Keene
Wilson
Greenwood
C brown
T brown
Rantall
Magden


Heck if we really want to be great
You'll trade de goey for a first and a future
(He's undisciplined,
Ex Norths first and next years first


He's injury prone and I believe will never be the weapon we hope ( calf's)

Even if list sizes don’t shrink next year I hope we retire/delist 10. The list is ageing and we need more players under the age of 26

 

[Quicky]

Kyle Hartigan would be an upgrade in defence. Built like a brick wall. As big as any KF.

Hartigan is beyond his best football these days I think.

 

[Leviathan Pie]

I hear that Treloar would be very gettable for interested parties.

We can only hope, think its critical we get some value out of him to a side where he's considered a 'need'

 

[TradeDraft]

We can only hope, think its critical we get some value out of him to a side where he's considered a 'need'

He has more Value to us then he would at another Club at the Moment

 

[Leviathan Pie]

He has more Value to us then he would at another Club at the Moment

Based on the money he's on, and associated output, I would disagree.

 

[LarryKinn]

Well yould think so
Shows how were going
47 to 29
It's time we all look ahead
Won't be hard at all
Retire
Reid
Beam's
varcoe
Broomhead
Dunn
Mayne. (7)
Langdon
Trade bait
Cox
Lynch
Thomas
Phillips. (7)
Sharenburg
Wills
Seir
Delist
Appleby
Tohill
Broomhead. (4)
Atu

That was very easy (18)
GIVES US
Roughy. Howe
Maynard Moore crisp
Daicos. Pendels treleor
Sidey. Checkers
Stepho. Elliott

Grundy degoey Adams

Depth
Whe
Murphy
Cameron
Kelly
Bianco
Ruscoe
Noble
Keene
Wilson
Greenwood
C brown
T brown
Rantall
Magden


Heck if we really want to be great
You'll trade de goey for a first and a future
(He's undisciplined,
Ex Norths first and next years first

Missing IQ and I think you got rid of Broomhead twice

 

[piemad1]

Brown out again with knee injury, concerned we could get torched on a trade with his knee. Cant pay overs, would rather miss the eight and slide down hopefully get early pick and grab key forward, reef, trade in another ready made tall forward like wright. Maybe look at hogan if he comes for not much, he has played for two shocking clubs maybe a big club could turn him around ( although we have our issues off field as well) Happy to move Phillips on and would also consider Steele if a good trade was available. De goey up the ground more, quaynor to the wing for speed.

Elliot hogan Stephenson
mihocek wright de goey

would love a small quick crumbing forward in that group as well.

 

[stormskye]

Maybe we could get schache and turn him into andrews somehow...

 

[JOELY]

seen a lof of people mention tom macdonald as an option. been watching him a bit, and if he loses even a touch of his athleticism he is cooked. looks very awkward running around. surprised he's only 194cm.

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

Not so sure about that because GC wanted him but he did not want to go.

Interstate would be a no, Melbourne based would be an option

 

[AndrewShawble]

I’m not really a Schache fan - don’t think he’s the answer by any means in isolation

There’s plenty to work with there though - just turned 23, averages over a goal a game. His best years should be well in front of him.

IMO we need 2 mobile forwards of that height.

 

[stormskye]

I’m not really a Schache fan - don’t think he’s the answer by any means in isolation

There’s plenty to work with there though - just turned 23, averages over a goal a game. His best years should be well in front of him.

IMO we need 2 mobile forwards of that height.

Agree. We def need to find some elite mids in draft I’ve changed my tune thanks to knightmare. Looking at our midfield stats, geeze we need depth To help Grundy out . I don’t think we’ll grab a genuine superstar KPF without being higher picks, but I think there’s options to grab some cheap Key position players from other clubs. We need some at both ends. I’ve changed my tune a bit on schache. Not saying he’s the answer, but we need some talls. Roughy was a bargain pick for depth, we need more.

I’m a little concerned we may overpay for brown... Wish knew more about the knee