List Mgmt. Trade & F/A - 2020

[Moore of the Same]

That won't happen. He turns 28 in April. He is too old for starters. Although Buddy has been a success for Sydney, he turns 34 in Jan, has 2 years to go on the contract and he missed a huge chunk of the last season and he will not play a game this year.

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I still think he'll be looking to sign a 5-6 year deal at between 1mill-1.2mill a year. Its a big investment, but he's a superstar.

 

[swanny95]

Long time reader; first time poster.

Have gone through the list and I believe we can expect to offload a fair few players this offseason.

Moore said he's committed and it has been reported that De Goey has agreed in principle to another 2 seasons so with the big three signed up we can look elsewhere for our requirements.

Beams - Retire
Scharenberg - Delist, perhaps rookie draft for depth dependant on final list numbers
Dunn - Retire
Varcoe - Retire
Reid - Retire
Thomas - Delist
Broomhead - Delist
Wills- Delist
Madgen - Delist
Keane - Delist

I think we should also look to do a deal with GCS for Will Brodie as a 189cm inside midfielder from VIC. Isn't getting selected currently but last year averaged 22 touches in the worst side, would add some grunt and a better choice than Sier or Wills. With the above players moving on and our failed bid for Lynch, I don't see how we couldn't make a genuine play for Cameron, I think about 950k - 1m a year over five is ballpark?

 

[Quicky]

You also need to find someone willing to take Treloar on his contract

There are enough Melbourne based teams in need of midfielders you'd find someone. Saints, Essendon, North.

 

[HeavyPop]

Long time reader; first time poster.

Have gone through the list and I believe we can expect to offload a fair few players this offseason.

Moore said he's committed and it has been reported that De Goey has agreed in principle to another 2 seasons so with the big three signed up we can look elsewhere for our requirements.

Beams - Retire
Scharenberg - Delist, perhaps rookie draft for depth dependant on final list numbers
Dunn - Retire
Varcoe - Retire
Reid - Retire
Thomas - Delist
Broomhead - Delist
Wills- Delist
Madgen - Delist
Keane - Delist

I think we should also look to do a deal with GCS for Will Brodie as a 189cm inside midfielder from VIC. Isn't getting selected currently but last year averaged 22 touches in the worst side, would add some grunt and a better choice than Sier or Wills. With the above players moving on and our failed bid for Lynch, I don't see how we couldn't make a genuine play for Cameron, I think about 950k - 1m a year over five is ballpark?

I really doubt we will delist Madgen and JT. Madgen is handy depth and Bucks seems to have a high opinion of Thomas.

We really need a forward who leads. Stephenson, Elliot and De Goey are the only guys who really lead at the footy, but they are all midsized. Cox and Cameron are both too slow. I know forward lines are super congested now, but we need someone to come at the ball. At the very least it will stop opposition from just crowding around when we bomb the ball in and getting an easy exit from defense once the ball hits the ground. If Ben Brown is gettable, I really hope we go hard at him.

 

[vicparksfinest]

Tom McDonald - Very gettable, wouldn't cost much at all in a pick, just high-ish salary
Ben Brown - The obvious target thats been spoken about to death, get it done, 2020 2nd and 2021 1st with future second coming back?
Jesse Hogan - Worth the gamble, good at ground level for a big man, doubt Freo would want much for him

Howe Roughead Maynard
Crisp McDonald Moore

Quaynor Pendlebury Daicos
Grundy Adams Treloar

Stephenson Brown DeGoey
Sidebottom Hogan Kelly

McInnes - Bianco - Mihocek - Sier

Also, with all of these assistant coaches getting the sack, what about target some of them?
Watch us re-sign Havey and Sando for 5 years...

 

[mike123]

There are enough Melbourne based teams in need of midfielders you'd find someone. Saints, Essendon, North.

I don’t see Treloar wanting to go to the saints or North though, maybe Essendon

 

[stormskye]

Long time reader; first time poster.

Have gone through the list and I believe we can expect to offload a fair few players this offseason.

Moore said he's committed and it has been reported that De Goey has agreed in principle to another 2 seasons so with the big three signed up we can look elsewhere for our requirements.

Beams - Retire
Scharenberg - Delist, perhaps rookie draft for depth dependant on final list numbers
Dunn - Retire
Varcoe - Retire
Reid - Retire
Thomas - Delist
Broomhead - Delist
Wills- Delist
Madgen - Delist
Keane - Delist

I think we should also look to do a deal with GCS for Will Brodie as a 189cm inside midfielder from VIC. Isn't getting selected currently but last year averaged 22 touches in the worst side, would add some grunt and a better choice than Sier or Wills. With the above players moving on and our failed bid for Lynch, I don't see how we couldn't make a genuine play for Cameron, I think about 950k - 1m a year over five is ballpark?

Do not agree Madgen will or should be delisted. He is improving every game and is becoming a handy part of the squad. With Langdon, Howe not injured is he best 22? No, but when do we have best 22 on the park. Need some depth.


If Cameron is commanding 1mill, as good as he’s been, Id rather not put the remaining eggs we have in one basket. I think we can find better bang for buck with a couple of players

 

[gouki88]

I don’t see Treloar wanting to go to the saints or North though, maybe Essendon

Wonder if the Dees would be interested? They seem to have a lot of inside mids but few outside runners.

Then again, is Treloar an outside runner after suffering so many hamstring injuries?

 

[stormskye]

Wonder if the Dees would be interested? They seem to have a lot of inside mids but few outside runners.

Then again, is Treloar an outside runner after suffering so many hamstring injuries?

Dees, ess, Saints, north would all be interested in treloar. Id even throw geel in there. I’d hate to see him go, but, we do need to improve our midfield long term, we are fast approaching a cliff and need to look at trades.

 

[DaVe86]

We'll top up the midfield through the draft with Reef and Daicos in the next 2 years. So we could forseeably offload first round picks since we'll have academy prospect anyway (similar to how we did it with Quaynor).

I'm a fan of getting Ben Brown, and I'd love us to explore Tom McDonald to be a defender again.

 

[Silky23]

Dees, ess, Saints, north would all be interested in treloar. Id even throw geel in there. I’d hate to see him go, but, we do need to improve our midfield long term, we are fast approaching a cliff and need to look at trades.

Treloar is 27. He’s apart of the future.
Trading him is some of the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard. We don’t have many a graders on the list, why would we remove one?

 

[stormskye]

Treloar is 27. He’s apart of the future.
Trading him is some of the dumbest sh*t I’ve ever heard. We don’t have many a graders on the list, why would we remove one?

You are entitled to your opinion. Stats and our age profile of our midfield suggests otherwise. There is plenty of work that needs doing here.

 

[No SPIN]

You are entitled to your opinion. Stats and our age profile of our midfield suggests otherwise. There is plenty of work that needs doing here.

whats stats?
Getting the ball is the hardest thing in football and he was number 1 for disposals - so he is a gun.
His DE is 55% Abletts is in the 60% so a 5-8% is easily achievable as TA has shown.
Age Profile - he’s 27, losing him is not changing our age profile very much. But replacing him with someone who will lead the league for Disposals will be impossible.
There’s no case for getting rid of him - and injuries is not a reason because if it was a real issue, we aren’t getting a top trade for him anyway.

 

[stormskye]

whats stats?
Getting the ball is the hardest thing in football and he was number 1 for disposals - so he is a gun.
His DE is 55% Abletts is in the 60% so a 5-8% is easily achievable as TA has shown.
Age Profile - he’s 27, losing him is not changing our age profile very much. But replacing him with someone who will lead the league for Disposals will be impossible.
There’s no case for getting rid of him - and injuries is not a reason because if it was a real issue, we aren’t getting a top trade for him anyway.

You are entitled to your opinion. I’m 100% open to trading treloar, not because he’s a bad player. I never said that, please provide a link where I said treloar is a bad player? I’m open to trading him to help our midfield future.

 

[Gabbo64]

What about Tex

 

[Johno9911]

In terms of adding to our midfield I'd rather target a small lock down defender (Luke Brown from the Crows for example) and let us put Maynard into the middle full time. A small defender would come a lot cheaper and allow us to continue targeting players to fix our woes inside the forward 50.

With Darcy, Howe, Langdon, Crisp, IQ, Noble and Murphy/Shaz in the background, we already have enough intercepting and running players in the defensive 50. Maynard is a contested bull who would compliment Adams brilliantly on the inside, plus he's a beautiful long kick of the footy and looks to move the ball forward as often as he can, something a few of our mids need to be encouraged to do more of.

 

[Doc1763]

What about Tex

Perkins??

 

[Gabbo64]

Perkins??

Morton

 

[No SPIN]

You are entitled to your opinion. I’m 100% open to trading treloar, not because he’s a bad player. I never said that, please provide a link where I said treloar is a bad player? I’m open to trading him to help our midfield future.

You said stats And age profile were your reasons - make your case as I have.

 

[stormskye]

You said stats And age profile were your reasons - make your case as I have.

It’s been discussed, and I agree heavily with knigtmare. Our midfield is not near as elite as you think it is. In 2 years pendles, sidey gone, Adams, treloar are close to 30. I’m open to trades now to bolster it early before the wheels fall off. But again, you are open to your opinion, we all agree and disagree in many things. Would I prefer us to keep treloar and improve the list as well of course, but if the right deal is there and allows us to address some things I’d be open to it. Is treloars injury an issue in trade value? Potentially, but it’s also a consideration in why we shld consider a trade, given he’s missed so much footy.

I don't consider Collingwood's midfield a strength anymore. Grundy is either 1a or 1b in the best ruck conversation. But he doesn't have enough support.

Adams is the only mid inside the top-50 for clearances this season. Centre clearances is again Adams, but Pendlebury equal 49th.

I see a midfield that doesn't take advantage of Grundy's dominance and frankly makes Grundy look worse than he is. Another genuine first possession winner and some hot sauce of some kind is needed in there - whether it's a guy with speed, skills or brings elite pressure to the table.

I don't see a top-20 midfielder on quality on this list anymore with the likes of Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Treloar and Adams more your 20-35 quality mids.

The midfield I consider two good mids short of being in the conversation with the best midfields in the competition.



The value of Brown I consider, and this is my view only, to be around the early second round mark. If Collingwood trade down the first round pick for Brown and the Essendon second round pick they hold would be something I'm sure they'd agree to, and they'd probably throw in a Majak Daw if we wanted him for an extra KPP if we wanted him. Daw would be an upgrade on Dunn as a depth key defender and possibly could overtake Roughead for his spot if he can get back to his 2018 form.

Overall, the trade period and delisted free agency pool is what I'd be looking at to address KPP holes, and I'd be looking at all those guys who have at some stage or another played to a clear best-22 standard and give a number of them calls. There are so many good ones and this is the offseason where I'm seeing so many of them just not being appropriately valued. How a Ben Brown who plays 22 games every year and has kicked 60 goals+ each of the past three years is dropped is madness. Tom McDonald, Aliir Aliir. It's madness seeing this calibre of footballer not in their best teams. Jesse Hogan I'd recruit if Fremantle wish to wash their hands of him and delist him. There are so many of these kinds of guys out of favour that Collingwood could reasonably add two key forwards and two key defenders with the view towards them all being best 22 players, straight off of rival lists. And I'm not even suggesting we need to look at these guys as depth, they're better in my view than our existing guys and would allow a Moore to be released to become the relieving ruckman behind Grundy.

 

[Gaben]

I must be in the minority but I reckon bang for buck Cameron is overrated.

He definitely isn’t doing his next deal any benefit with the putrid season he is currently putting up.

I agree entirely, but, his appeal is massively amplified by virtue of him being a free-agent. You can't understate how important that is, especially considering our recent penchant for offloading all our early draft picks.

It's an awkward balance at the moment though because I think we need a gun midfielder (post Pendles, the undoing of Beams and Treloar's downfall) and a gun forward. Do you spend a million on just one, or try and fill the holes with two 500k players.

One thing I will say, I reckon we can get anyway without chasing a gun midfielder if we settle on leaving JDG as a 80-20 midfielder and that would leave us the ability to actually snag someone like Cameron I think. Question is whether we want to do that with JDG, I suspect the club still doesn't know which way they want to go there.

 

[stormskye]

I agree entirely, but, his appeal is massively amplified by virtue of him being a free-agent. You can't understate how important that is, especially considering our recent penchant for offloading all our early draft picks.

It's an awkward balance at the moment though because I think we need a gun midfielder (post Pendles, the undoing of Beams and Treloar's downfall) and a gun forward. Do you spend a million on just one, or try and fill the holes with two 500k players.

One thing I will say, I reckon we can get anyway without chasing a gun midfielder if we settle on leaving JDG as a 80-20 midfielder and that would leave us the ability to actually snag someone like Cameron I think. Question is whether we want to do that with JDG, I suspect the club still doesn't know which way they want to go there.

Do I think Cameron alone instantly comes in and makes us the top team? No, which is why I wouldn’t offer him 900k+. I’m more open to grabbing a couple of players including a crumber!. If I thought he was the only missing piece, then yes I’d pay him whatever he wanted. We can’t tie up 2million A year in 2 positions

 

[No SPIN]

It’s been discussed, and I agree heavily with knigtmare. Our midfield is not near as elite as you think it is. In 2 years pendles, sidey gone, Adams, treloar are close to 30. I’m open to trades now to bolster it early before the wheels fall off. But again, you are open to your opinion, we all agree and disagree in many things. Would I prefer us to keep treloar and improve the list as well of course, but if the right deal is there and allows us to address some things I’d be open to it. Is treloars injury an issue in trade value? Potentially, but it’s also a consideration in why we shld consider a trade, given he’s missed so much footy.

You talk as if TA and AT are 29, TA is 26 and AT 27, by any reasonable definition you are being alarmist about age.
KM doesn’t say we should trade AT in the above post - he says we need to ADD 2 good mids to be the best midfield in the competition- so your view to trade AT is not supported by KMs post.

 

[Silky23]

It’s been discussed, and I agree heavily with knigtmare. Our midfield is not near as elite as you think it is. In 2 years pendles, sidey gone, Adams, treloar are close to 30. I’m open to trades now to bolster it early before the wheels fall off. But again, you are open to your opinion, we all agree and disagree in many things. Would I prefer us to keep treloar and improve the list as well of course, but if the right deal is there and allows us to address some things I’d be open to it. Is treloars injury an issue in trade value? Potentially, but it’s also a consideration in why we shld consider a trade, given he’s missed so much footy.

Well this is where we disagree completely. Treloar is easily top 20 in the league, name me 20 better MIDS?
Treloar averages 29 touches a game, 15 contested, just shy of 6 clearances a game. 5 inside 50’s a game as well which is very very good.
What’s the point in trading him to get two new rookies in who don’t have the bodies ready or getting guys in from elsewhere whom can’t get a game because they’re not in the top MIDS in their team. I’m happy to do that but not if you’re trading away your own talent.
Treloar is elite, easily an A grade midfielder. To think otherwise is ridiculous.
A fit TAdams is also top 20 and there is no arguing that.

 

[stormskye]

Well this is where we disagree completely. Treloar is easily top 20 in the league, name me 20 better MIDS?
Treloar averages 29 touches a game, 15 contested, just shy of 6 clearances a game. 5 inside 50’s a game as well which is very very good.
What’s the point in trading him to get two new rookies in who don’t have the bodies ready or getting guys in from elsewhere whom can’t get a game because they’re not in the top MIDS in their team. I’m happy to do that but not if you’re trading away your own talent.
Treloar is elite, easily an A grade midfielder. To think otherwise is ridiculous.
A fit TAdams is also top 20 and there is no arguing that.

Great you can both disagree. I’m open to trading treloar. We disagree. It’s ok to disagree .