List Mgmt. Trade & F/A - 2020

[Jen2310]

And we have the habit of refreshing players careers. New environment gives players a fresh outlook and motivation. Sometimes its just what they need. Look at roughy. Luke Ball.

 

[Robroy22]

Okay, let’s leave them out.

What about Adams (27), Treloar (27), Elliott (28), Grundy (26), Crisp (weeks away from 27), Howe (30)

Can we spend a couple of years with that core group waiting for a KPF from the draft to come on?

Well its a very closed question so I'll answer it the way you want: NO, we can't wait so lets chuck the kitchen sink at Cameron or Daniher.

Now can you answer me one?
How will you like it when BB is impotent against team defences across the comp? Will you be saying "Why did we settle for this softie when we could have gotten XYZ????"
I'd rather draft a kid and wait than do that.

 

[Quicky]

You won't like it mate, but I'd go to the draft and get a young key forward (or two) and keep doing it till we get a Lockett!

We need to draft a key forward as a priority this year. If we can recruit a mature key forward too i'm okay with that but not at the expense of a key forward with an early draft pick.

 

[unplugged]

I can see it now. Brown declares an interest in coming to Collingwood. Collingwood expect a late pick transaction but after 2 weeks of speculation, we feel the pinch of the trade period closing and give up a first (albeit late-ish) first round pick.

The day after the Trade Period closes, the AFL brings out a new rule to include the run up in the 30 second shot clock.

Brown goes on to never kick another goal in his career. And dies of an iron deficiency.

 

[nahnah]

And we have the habit of refreshing players careers. New environment gives players a fresh outlook and motivation. Sometimes its just what they need. Look at roughy. Luke Ball.

Luke Ball was one of the saints best players their coach just didn't like him

 

[stormskye]

Well its a very closed question so I'll answer it the way you want: NO, we can't wait so lets chuck the kitchen sink at Cameron or Daniher.

Now can you answer me one?
How will you like it when BB is impotent against team defences across the comp? Will you be saying "Why did we settle for this softie when we could have gotten XYZ????"
I'd rather draft a kid and wait than do that.

Would love Cameron. Daniher, barely got on park in last 18months, if you are concerned about brown you should be more worried about him.

Defensive zones aren’t a new thing, browns kicked over 60 goals against zones in previous years. Nothing short of elite.

 

[Jen2310]

Luke Ball was one of the saints best players their coach just didn't like him

yeah, that's true. When ball was such a nice bloke. What's not to like!

 

[Quicky]

Bucks has acknowledged this too. He knows we aren't playing the way we want to be and he knows we are overusing it by hand and not getting it in quick enough.

Its not going to fix itself in hub life, but it can easily be fixed in a productive, uninterrupted pre-season. The style we see this year is not the style i expect to see next year.

The only exception to this style of play under Buckley was 2018. All other years we have been defensively focussed and conservative in our ball use. I hope you're right but i'm skeptical it will change.

 

[nahnah]

yeah, that's true. When ball was such a nice bloke. What's not to like!

I remember they interviewed him before he got drafted to pies, he was training alone in a park and looked very upset. 2010 premiership was such a justice moment for him

 

[Good_Old]

Cameron will cost too much and Daniher can't kick straight and will still come with a high asking price. Ben Brown wouldn't be my first choice but as long as he's on the cheap...

 

[Robroy22]

Totally disagree

We are rebuilding and want draft picks. He has currency and won’t be around to be part of the new generation.

You remember when Hawthorn traded Trent croad or Nathan Thompson? It’s like that mate.

It's nowhere near that: Your club has basically disowned BB...the only draft pick you'll get are late 2nd and third rounders....NO CLUB is going to take him off your hands AT YOUR PRICE....your club has effectively devalued him in front of your eyes.

Croad was a young, talented KPP when traded to Freo and Thompson was traded on Hawthorn's terms....the Hawks WON both those trades. This one is nowhere near those instances. I feel sorry for BB but his manager and NM has really blown this up.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

My preference of KPFs available this year:

1) Cameron
2) Daniher
3) Brown
4) Wright

1 & 2 very unlikely to join the Pies. I’ll take option 3.

 

[soreplums]

Cameron will cost too much and Daniher can't kick straight and will still come with a high asking price. Ben Brown wouldn't be my first choice but as long as he's on the cheap...

And on the ground kicking goals....
That’s the important part!

 

[Pistol Night]

I remember they interviewed him before he got drafted to pies, he was training alone in a park and looked very upset. 2010 premiership was such a justice moment for him

And he was such a nice fella he didn't want to celebrate too much in front of his shattered ex team mates. Most people would have loved rubbing it in.

 

[nahnah]

I can see it now. Brown declares an interest in coming to Collingwood. Collingwood expect a late pick transaction but after 2 weeks of speculation, we feel the pinch of the trade period closing and give up a first (albeit late-ish) first round pick.

The day after the Trade Period closes, the AFL brings out a new rule to include the run up in the 30 second shot clock.

Brown goes on to never kick another goal in his career. And dies of an iron deficiency.

Our alternative, Jeremy Cameron, looks like he lacks a bit of iron too but I haven't heard he's vegan so just speculation at the moment

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

Yeah but Roughy wasn’t injured and cost nothing.

Cost wise, considering North has backed themselves into a corner because they have basically "delisted" Brown, without actually removing him off the list. So l think the bargaining power of North has all but evaporated.
His salary, he would have been on a $700-$750k contract at North, or what he may have re-signed for, but Brown now needs a club, so whoever gets him will sign him for a $450-$500k contract probably over 2 years.
I don't think injury was his main issue this year, despite his arthroscope in latter stages of the season, which is basically a clean up of his knee. His issue was more mind, and that could be due to the personal issues he had off field.

 

[HFF]

Unless he came ridiculously cheap via cost for trade and contract...I’m against it.

As much as it is a need we don’t need to panic and make further mistakes that can cause serious damage

 

[Pistol Night]

Our alternative, Jeremy Cameron, looks like he lacks a bit of iron too but I haven't heard he's vegan so just speculation at the moment

Jezza is a mad fisherman so doubtful hes lacking in iron or vegan!

 

[the big lebowski]

It's nowhere near that: Your club has basically disowned BB...the only draft pick you'll get are late 2nd and third rounders....NO CLUB is going to take him off your hands AT YOUR PRICE....your club has effectively devalued him in front of your eyes.

Croad was a young, talented KPP when traded to Freo and Thompson was traded on Hawthorn's terms....the Hawks WON both those trades. This one is nowhere near those instances. I feel sorry for BB but his manager and NM has really blown this up.

I wasn’t aware exploring options and entertaining a trade meant pack your bags you’re gone.

So let’s say multiple clubs will give him a 4 year $700k deal, why would we accept a pick that late? How does it benefit the club?

 

[TradeDraft]

We need to draft a key forward as a priority this year. If we can recruit a mature key forward too i'm okay with that but not at the expense of a key forward with an early draft pick.

We don't have a Early Pick at the Moment

 

[TradeDraft]

I wasn’t aware exploring options and entertaining a trade meant pack your bags you’re gone.

So let’s say multiple clubs will give him a 4 year $700k deal, why would we accept a pick that late? How does it benefit the club?

But does not sound like you want to keep as well

 

[Captain Embubry]

The only exception to this style of play under Buckley was 2018. All other years we have been defensively focussed and conservative in our ball use. I hope you're right but i'm skeptical it will change.

Im just going off what he's said in pressers. If its this clear to us, and he's acknowledged publicly that ts clear to him, and he still can't make the changes we need, ill happily concede he's the worst coach to ever set foot in a coaches box

 

[AndrewShawble]

Well its a very closed question so I'll answer it the way you want: NO, we can't wait so lets chuck the kitchen sink at Cameron or Daniher.

Now can you answer me one?
How will you like it when BB is impotent against team defences across the comp? Will you be saying "Why did we settle for this softie when we could have gotten XYZ????"
I'd rather draft a kid and wait than do that.

This is too funny.

Before you were banging on about BB being an injury liability, now you are saying kitchen sink at Daniher - a guy who in his last 3 years has played 7 games, 4 games, 4 games.

what’s going on at camp Robroy, the lunatics are running the asylum!

 

[Robroy22]

I wasn’t aware exploring options and entertaining a trade meant pack your bags you’re gone.

So let’s say multiple clubs will give him a 4 year $700k deal, why would we accept a pick that late? How does it benefit the club?

Have you read this?

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/ben-brown-told-to-look-for-a-new-home-20200923-p55yj7.html

 

[Quicky]

As I said last night, time will tell.

But it’s pretty reasonable to assume that north said we will give you 3 years X $x, if you can do better we will entertain a trade.

You are looking at it from a different perspective.

But just remember, we have so much cap space it’s not funny. We are Cleary rebuilding for an extended stay at the bottom. From a list perspective it makes sense to trade a 27 year old that won’t be around to help us win finals when our kids mature.

Also, just wanted to point out as well. Before this year I don’t think Brown has ever missed a game due to injury.

Anyway, I’m just here for a discussion, so no need for any animosity peeps.

I think Melbourne and Carlton have shown that bottoming out without a solid core of experienced old heads to show the talented draftees how its done at AFL level is recipe for failure. With that in mind you'd think that a guy like Brown who is key structural player would be perfect while Larkey and if you get him McDonald develop. It's either a big mistake by Rawlings or somethings amiss.