List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency Part 9

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[Meteoric Rise]

What does he mean when he says off favour ??

Surely means out of favour, ie not getting selected at Shitendon.

 

[wegetpumped]

I really hope we dont get tsatas or what ever his name is

I just got used to spelling Vlastuin & Lefau dont think i can post in that thread and constantly cop paste a bloody name again

FFs no Greeks in the team just call him souvlaki and everyone will know who you mean1 You can spell souvlaki right?

 

[THE THIN MAN]

I really hope we dont get tsatas or what ever his name is

I just got used to spelling Vlastuin & Lefau dont think i can post in that thread and constantly cop paste a bloody name again

FFs no Greeks in the team just call him souvlaki and everyone will know who you mean1 You can spell souvlaki right?

Just call him 'Taters'

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[SunshineBoy]

FFs no Greeks in the team just call him souvlaki and everyone will know who you mean1 You can spell souvlaki right?

Can’t spell it but can certainly eat ‘em

 

[docko911]

I highly doubt GC will have #5 end of the season

GC v Richmond
Carlton v St Kilda

Battle compo there pick will be #8 when taken

#8 & #16/18 is overs for Rioli but if we contribute $200k a year it balances it out

Will teams be offering a $1m plus contract for Battle?

The salary cap is huge ($17.7m) next year and onwards. If the AFL don’t manipulate free agency compo, $1m+ should be the absolute minimum. This is why I would only be expecting band 4/5 compo for Graham unless the offer from West Coast is north of $750k a year.

 

[Michaels]

What does he mean when he says off favour ??

Think it was meant to be of favour, as in the in the preferred option of the 2

 

[THE_GUN]

Will teams be offering a $1m plus contract for Battle?

The salary cap is huge ($17.7m) next year and onwards. If the AFL don’t manipulate free agency compo, $1m+ should be the absolute minimum. This is why I would only be expecting band 4/5 compo for Graham unless the offer from West Coast is north of $750k a year.

Clubs can manipulate salaries to suit purpose
Tyrone Vickery is a great example as well as Daniher

Hawks just need to pat Battle $900k x 3 years to get Band 1
JG will get $500k - $550k x 4 years that will get him band 3

 

[Morro]

Morro, he turns 28 on April 16. This year that would've been Round 6. So he's not 28 the start of the season.

He'll be 31 when he's starting his 5th season with his new club. That's hardly an unreasonable age to be still playing really good footy in this day and age. In fact, it's probably more likely than not.

Why are you so intent on devaluing him? I mean, I can see why you're trying to offset the chance of disappointment with the trade, that's reasonable, people do that all the time. But there's a pretty decent chance here that we can cash in on the desperation of his destination club (never thought I'd ever use those last two words to describe the Suns )

Read the earlier posts clearly explaining why Gold Coast Suns need to pay premium draft currency for Rioli. I'll include one of mine below.

From August 3rd

Even overlooking the fact that they have historically devalued top end draft picks by giving up their own Pick #7 to offload Bowes, or parting with their Pick #2 for Weller, or any number of other trade mindbogglers over the years, there are a host of other rationales for them paying "overs" for someone like Dan Rioli.

We need to look at the trade through the Suns lens. This is a team absolutely desperate for finals action, and desperate to make the play for Dimma be and appear worthwhile. If this Dimma experiment flops for them, it's difficult to see them making serious ground on the Lions or in Queensland at all for the next decade.

Now has to be their time. Ultimately all of these "toys" are going to demand an increase in their salary for their second (or third) contract that will stretch their coffers even further, and suddenly another series of exits will happen - Tassie for one will be throwing the cheque book around big time in 2026 and onwards, let alone Collingwood and Richmond with massive war chests due to legends retiring and growing discontent in their respective massive fanbases.

ATEOTD, Dan Rioli is contracted, is AA quality, has four or five strong years of footy left in him (far longer than their patience with Dimma if they haven't franked their draft outlay by then), is incredibly durable, and has that extra special x-factor in that he's indigenous ... and better still, viewed as an indigenous leader.

The importance of this last point should never be underestimated in a footy club, especially a northern Australian club who've traditionally struggled to get the best out of (and hang onto) their indigenous lads - Jeffrey, Lemmens, Rosas, Rankine, Nicholls, JMartin, Sumner, Patrick, Garlett, Hall, Bennell, Wilkinson, and probably quite a few more I can't think of atm, have all under-achieved or gone wayward at the Suns. Harbrow was a wonderful leader, but he was no Rioli. That name alone carries serious currency.

The Suns MUST pay overs. If it was the Bulldogs or Essendon, at best we could ask for is probably a Pick #8-12, because that's how things work down here. But the reality is the trading climate differs significantly when the Suns are involved, especially in their current predicament. And if Richmond were to chip in a significant proportion of Dan's salary at the Suns, which is entirely feasible and reasonable given our imminent exits, then this augurs for an even better deal for us.

A draft pick 6-8 AND another pick 12-15 should be the absolute minimum for our starting point. And if someone weighs in here and says "no way he's worth that" then I'd probably agree with them.

But that's not the point - all of these factors listed above lean towards us demanding that.

The Gold Coast Suns are at risk of being in the shadow of big brother Brisbane Lions for another decade unless they improve their results dramatically and quickly. Dimma doesn't have 4-5 years out of real top end contention to play with like he did at Tigerland.


No he's not Jeremy Cameron. Different sort of player and role entirely.

But he's no more likely to get injured than Cameron was when he was traded in at 27. Yet you seem a bit caught up with Daniel's lack of durability, as if the chances of him getting a career-ending injury should lower his trade value any more than another 27 year old?

I am not devaluing him, I could also ask why are you and others so hell bent on over valuing him?

Its clearly just a difference in opinion, but April is usually a month after the season starts so its basically the start of the season IMO.

I am so confident that I am closer to his value than what is being bandied around in here that I am posting my opinion as fact. Book mark this and other posts, GC want him, he will likely end up there and it wont be for 3 firsts with one of them being pick 5.

I love Dan, one of my favs, but prepare to be disappointed if you are expecting an offer such as 5, 14 and 22. I would go as far to say, that the AFL would step in at this point and drug test the entire FD at the Suns.

 

[THE_GUN]

This Rioli trade if it gets through i dont believe it will be as clear cut as some would believe and there would be so many moving parts involved.

* Salary to Rioli is 1 part that would improve and effect the final trade and if Richmond are prepared to cop 50% for the remaining 4 years thats a top 10 pick right there

* Lombard bid will be another and GC will want a pick prior to it but might have to give that pick up as its the integral part of the trade so that leaves #14 & #20 if the 14 gets swallowed up then GC will happily off load that also to get a kick back after the bid. e.g trade F2 for our Graham compo and get back inside the 2nd round

But Salary would be the thing that gets Richmond the #14 imo

 

[Stylo]

It's 5 letters, campaigner.

my thoughts exactly Donag

 

[Groupie_]

cant wait to get titsass for pick 1

 

[Groupie_]

I can't. Worst. kick. in. the. league.

would do a straight swap for hopper

 

[Groupie_]

St Kilda will beat Carltoon.

no they wont

theyll be in party mode and carltoon will throw absolutely everything at them

 

[4tune8]

This Rioli trade if it gets through i dont believe it will be as clear cut as some would believe and there would be so many moving parts involved.

* Salary to Rioli is 1 part that would improve and effect the final trade and if Richmond are prepared to cop 50% for the remaining 4 years thats a top 10 pick right there

* Lombard bid will be another and GC will want a pick prior to it but might have to give that pick up as its the integral part of the trade so that leaves #14 & #20 if the 14 gets swallowed up then GC will happily off load that also to get a kick back after the bid. e.g trade F2 for our Graham compo and get back inside the 2nd round

But Salary would be the thing that gets Richmond the #14 imo

Very likely the case, lot's of budgeted salary cap coming off the books, more than likely the same case with Bolton, enabling the 3 x 1st round picks, combine those 2 savings with the $ set aside for Baker, Graham and Grimes, Dusty (should they have opted for another year) and we're flush with funds.

 

[tigs2010]

no they wont

theyll be in party mode and carltoon will throw absolutely everything at them

Saints are tanking 2 picks not just 1 given the Battle compo

 

[Groupie_]

Saints are tanking 2 picks not just 1 given the Battle compo

 

[tigs2010]

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Just saw Carlton might be down to 26 players this week plus a few who are 50/50.

Come on Saints and Freo

 

[Groupie_]

Just saw Carlton might be down to 26 players this week plus a few who are 50/50.

Come on Saints and Freo

inagine them next year with fathead holands and the camboreale munted twins running around

 

[Danog]

Carlton aren't winning shit, even if they make finals. We want Freo to lose. Make them desperate for Shai

 

[tigs2010]

Carlton aren't winning shit, even if they make finals. We want Freo to lose. Make them desperate for Shai

We wants Saints to win too to stay above Gold campaigners. Saints will take Lalor

 

[Morro]

Carlton aren't winning shit, even if they make finals. We want Freo to lose. Make them desperate for Shai

I am not as sure about this with Freo.

I wanted them to go to deep into finals and see Shai as the missing piece. I wonder if missing finals all together makes them reevaluate their list position more?

 

[tigs2010]

I am not as sure about this with Freo.

I wanted them to go to deep into finals and see Shai as the missing piece. I wonder if missing finals all together makes them reevaluate their list position more?

Doubt it. They're very young and lost so many close games. They're alot closer than ladder position suggests. Jackson, Serong & Young are all in 5th season only. Treacy & Amiss are 4th & 3rd. They're in a great position.

Even Brayshaw only in his 7th.

 

[jthanos]

FFs no Greeks in the team just call him souvlaki and everyone will know who you mean1 You can spell souvlaki right?

they can call him 'Tzatziki' even all the "locals" that pronounce it a Taziki should be able to manage that

 

[Noidnadroj]

Here’s how I think things play out …

1. We ask for 2 x first rounders for Bolton, with one of them needing to be a top-5 selection. The second first rounder provided as part of the deal Freo can please themselves. So 5 and 18 worst case.

We then sit back and leave it up to them. If they can’t get a top-5 pick Bolton plays in the yellow sash in 2025, potentially finds peace, and sees out his career at Tigerland.

Freo will not let Bolton go. Players like him capable of playing midfield and getting 25, standing on heads and having 80+ shots a goal a season are so rare … well … Bolton is about the only one in the league. He is potentially the difference between a SF loss and multiple flags for Freo. They will find a top-5 pick. No need for us to haggle … just tell them to call when they have a top-5 pick and another first - simple.

2. Rioli. GC badly need loads of points next year. So i can see us getting pick-5, a F1, and handing back multiple 2nd and 3rd rounders in the 2025 draft. This allows GC to get Lombard, get Rioli and get all of their required academy kids in 2025.

We get a top-5 pick and a F1 likely around pick-10.

3. Baker. We take a pick in the range of 14-18 and a F3 to use in GC trade. He’s uncontracted. I can’t see this being a drawn out trade.

4. Points swap with Lions to get their mid-teens pick.

We may offer to pay a bit of salary for Bolton and Rioli to further entice picks our way.

If we can achieve the above we enter 2024 draft with: 1, 4 (Bolton) 5 (Rioli) 14 (Lions), 15 (Baker), 18 (Bolton) 19, 22 (Graham)

And if we finish bottom go into 2025 draft with 1, 10, 19.

1,4,5 gets us FOS, Smith, Draper.

It basically guarantees us 2 Uber elite mids, with a chance of it being 3 - plus 5 x picks from 14-22 gets us another guaranteed 2 x guns even if we don’t draft well.

So worst case 4 x guns this draft, with likely 2 more in 2025. That’s 6 x guns across 2 x drafts. A free agent in 2027 and with Balta that’s 8 x A-graders - and maybe more depending on Gibcus, Brown etc…. Then flags start flowing from 2028…

Sounds simple! Because it is

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[Morro]

Doubt it. They're very young and lost so many close games. They're alot closer than ladder position suggests. Jackson, Serong & Young are all in 5th season only. Treacy & Amiss are 4th & 3rd. They're in a great position.

Even Brayshaw only in his 7th.

Yeah I agree with all that, was just a thought ya know, relax.