List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency Part 9

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[docko911]

Crazy 3 way trade time:

Richmond give - Rioli, 29,39,47,57 (plus Rioli wage)
Richmond get 6,13,20

Gold Coast give - 6,13,20
Gold Coast get Rioli, 29, 47, 57, Noble

Collingwood give - Noble
Collingwood get 39

Collingwood won’t be accepting 39 for Noble, he’s played 90 games in the last 4 years.

They will ask for 20 and 34 at a minimum. Then they will try and trade 34 along with 32 and 48 to Brisbane for their first pick.

All of a sudden we have a contender for Brisbanes first.

 

[tigerfan1961]

I get your point, but i think there are more sensitive issues at play with the Bolton one, that as a club and as decent humans, we should understand.

I know it is still all a business, and we absolutely still need a great outcome from the Bolton trade that must include one of the top end first rounders.

I dont agree that Shai is the superior player either, not even close to Rioli from a consistent output level.

Shai's flashes of brilliance are far superior, but over the course of 24 games, Rioli plays at a higher level week in week out.

Sorry Michaels, can’t agree with you. Shai’s Manager has made it very clear he would prefer to be traded back to WA, but was equally clear that he’s very happy to stay and honour his contract if a deal cannot be struck.
In my opinion, a deal will be struck but Shai is extremely high end talent, and has more “moves” than Dan. He’s a freak at times, and with 4 years to run on his deal, whoever wants him MUST pay a very high price. You don’t release players of his ilk readily or cheaply.

 

[richoatthedisco]

I get your point, but i think there are more sensitive issues at play with the Bolton one, that as a club and as decent humans, we should understand.

I know it is still all a business, and we absolutely still need a great outcome from the Bolton trade that must include one of the top end first rounders.

I dont agree that Shai is the superior player either, not even close to Rioli from a consistent output level.

Shai's flashes of brilliance are far superior, but over the course of 24 games, Rioli plays at a higher level week in week out.

Shai would look great running off half-back too. Dan was inconsistent as a small forward too. Shai's 34 goals this year were 9 more than Dan's best haul, and double his second-best haul.

No one loves Dan more than me but Shai is a level above as a player.

What sensitive issues are there? Shai 'wants to go home for family reasons' because we told him we're open to it if we can get a deal that satisfies us. If not, he's happy to stay. Hence all the PR after Ralph Wiggum shot his pea-brained load.

 

[Michaels]

Shai would look great running off half-back too. Dan was inconsistent as a small forward too. Shai's 34 goals this year were 9 more than Dan's best haul, and double his second-best haul.

No one loves Dan more than me but Shai is a level above as a player.

What sensitive issues are there? Shai 'wants to go home for family reasons' because we told him we're open to it if we can get a deal that satisfies us. If not, he's happy to stay. Hence all the PR after Ralph Wiggum shot his pea-brained load.

Fair call on Bolton's goals.

The sensitive issues lay within the family reasons.

I think your line about 'if not he is happy to stay' was what was mentioned before these issues came to light. the goal posts have shifted since that initial chatter of 'if we can make it happen we will'.

 

[tigersnag]

Collingwood won’t be accepting 39 for Noble, he’s played 90 games in the last 4 years.

They will ask for 20 and 34 at a minimum. Then they will try and trade 34 along with 32 and 48 to Brisbane for their first pick.

All of a sudden we have a contender for Brisbanes first.

Noble is a fringe player. Not always best 22, particularly before they got injuries.
He's no Liam Baker and nor should he be valued as such. 20 and 34 at a minimum? That's crazy.

 

[Michaels]

Sorry Michaels, can’t agree with you. Shai’s Manager has made it very clear he would prefer to be traded back to WA, but was equally clear that he’s very happy to stay and honour his contract if a deal cannot be struck.
In my opinion, a deal will be struck but Shai is extremely high end talent, and has more “moves” than Dan. He’s a freak at times, and with 4 years to run on his deal, whoever wants him MUST pay a very high price. You don’t release players of his ilk readily or cheaply.

As I just mentioned in my other post, I think you will find that line of thought was prior to the new family reason development.

the family reasons are only very very recent, and prior to those being a thing, yes his manager did say that.

Unless I have missed something from his manager in more recent times? which is a possibility..

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

That’s an interesting move, did Rioli tell ‘em no? Are they after both? Which half back flanker, gets pushed out of the 22, that might need a new home?


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No one of interest. Future looks grim for Budarick, Sexton, Lemmens and Jeffrey.

 

[tigerfan1961]

As I just mentioned in my other post, I think you will find that line of thought was prior to the new family reason development.

the family reasons are only very very recent, and prior to those being a thing, yes his manager did say that.

Unless I have missed something from his manager in more recent times? which is a possibility..

Was extremely recent from what I can recall, I’ll see if I can find it

EDIT: was an article inThe Age on 19 August, and was 100% clear he hasn’t asked for a trade and has no problem with staying and honouring his contract

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

….You don’t release players of his ilk readily or cheaply.

Especially with no obligation to trade, and no obligation to satisfy the player.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Which King? I personally don't rate Hank that highly but if it's Ben King, no. If it's Max then that's a tougher decision.

Stk version

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

If Collingwood want to be unrealistic about Noble’s value then they can have a crack at Shorty.

Pretty damning actually given the apparent need that Dimma’s not interested in him.

 

[Barnard]

Not sure if any truth behind it but some Port Adelaide Facebook page was claiming Soldo will explore his options during the trade period haha, anyone remember earlier in the season when one of his relatives was having a crack at Richmond during roaming Brian for letting him go! Now he’s a second stringer to sweet

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

He’s definitely worth that, but I agree it won’t happen.
Both picks aren’t even guaranteed to be good players. Its pot luck

I can see us doing pick 9 and a future first with us throwing back a pick in the 30’s or 40’s

A f1?
Wtf
That f1 is more likely worse than pick 10 this year.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Delusional. If Pettraca recovers fully from his injuries he's the 2nd best player in the comp ( behind Bont).

Dusty was never the same after his.

 

[shaky]

6 and 13 for Dan and our future second might get it done. (We are gonna have a crapload of picks next year too, don't worry.)

Think we need to hold on to second round picks next year. Don't the bidding changes come in which will make second round picks even more valuable.

 

[sregit]

I get your point, but i think there are more sensitive issues at play with the Bolton one, that as a club and as decent humans, we should understand.

I know it is still all a business, and we absolutely still need a great outcome from the Bolton trade that must include one of the top end first rounders.

I dont agree that Shai is the superior player either, not even close to Rioli from a consistent output level.

Shai's flashes of brilliance are far superior, but over the course of 24 games, Rioli plays at a higher level week in week out.

Shai is a superior player. Plus younger.

 

[SumTingWong]

Work is overrated anyways. Got to be an easier way.

What kind of job is it when you have time to click refresh on your phone all day?

 

[Profop]

Dusty was never the same after his.

I mean that’s not true really. Dusty probably should have been AA in 2023

 

[KrispyKreme]

I mean that’s not true really. Dusty probably should have been AA in 2023

Yeah he should have but AA is midfielder biased. But he was well off this year compared to last.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Think we need to hold on to second round picks next year. Don't the bidding changes come in which will make second round picks even more valuable.

Dude. We're going to have three firsts and two seconds next year, even giving that one up.

 

[Profop]

Yeah he should have but AA is midfielder biased. But he was well off this year compared to last.

Of course but I’d say that’s more age related than any ongoing impact from the kidney injury

 

[strauchy]

A f1?
Wtf
That f1 is more likely worse than pick 10 this year.

agree, I never said I wanted us to do it.

Knowing richmond, I feel we will also prioritise having picks over multiple years, in the lead up to Tassie

 

[Bojangles17]

What would Noble be worth?
Pick 20?

At best 26

 

[Michaels]

Shai is a superior player. Plus younger.

happy to agree to disagree on that bit, does some amazing things but is often MIA in games I find.

Not saying he isn't a good player though of course, we have been very lucky to have them both!

 

[Bojangles17]

Trac is 29 next year coming off a near fatal injury , that he may not be able to come back from . On basis that Dusty was gone by 32 , clubs would be wary paying anything better than mid teens
Look like monster sized fools to trade several r1s and he never played again