List Mgmt. Trade: Geelong trades Round One compensation and No. 55 selection to Gold Coast for Josh Caddy

[Selective Retention]

This should surely be sorted out ASAP next week.

No one is going to argue steak knives in this deal, it's going to be either a compo pick in our case or a first rounder in the other teams' case. Caddy has had enough time to decide where he wants to go. He will pick someone, I don't buy that he is genuinely picking a pool of clubs for GC to deal with and garner the best deal for themselves.

If it drags on and on, it's just a complete joke.

 

[footscore]

Sydney get concessions from the AFL due to the living expense of living in Sydney as opposed to Adelaide or Melbourne etc.
People are starting to question this and they have every right to but I guess it's just one of things that seems to have been accepted for so long....only until they win a premiership do we question them.

 

[geelong_boy]

I like that idea, given GC's current predicament, we could probably convince them to give us picks 14 and 20 (or whatever they have) for the compo pick

I don't mind this. To those in the know, what are the chances of this happening?

 

[Enfilade]

I don't mind this. To those in the know, what are the chances of this happening?

zero chance. those picks are still very valuable to the gold coast. Our compo pick is or more value, but not worth both.

 

[sarah.13]

This should surely be sorted out ASAP next week.

No one is going to argue steak knives in this deal, it's going to be either a compo pick in our case or a first rounder in the other teams' case. Caddy has had enough time to decide where he wants to go. He will pick someone, I don't buy that he is genuinely picking a pool of clubs for GC to deal with and garner the best deal for themselves.

If it drags on and on, it's just a complete joke.

As neither Caddy or his management have said anything..ala Balme,leads me to think that a deal is in place and wouldn't surprise me if it's done on Monday!

 

[Turbocat]

Sydney get concessions from the AFL due to the living expense of living in Sydney as opposed to Adelaide or Melbourne etc.
People are starting to question this and they have every right to but I guess it's just one of things that seems to have been accepted for so long....only until they win a premiership do we question them.

and after winning... attract a 1M a year player. 900,000 a year in the cap sure is a lot of living expense. Is it divided evenly? Does every player get that 900 each? A loaf of bread , rent , a night out is the same for everyone right so the Rookie should get the same as their best player.

The truth it got zero to to do with COL , its all about ensuring Syd are competitive if not dominant in the NSW market. The AFL love child , is perpetually nursing at the League's tit. Its like having a family Pizza and one kid always get 3 slices cause he/she is the more important child.

I feel sorry for the Dogs and the Saints of the world , at least we have our Flags , I will die having seen them with my Kids. How many of these other clubs will never see a Flag because its more important to have a strong side in Syd.

 

[footscore]

I feel sorry for the Dogs and the Saints of the world , at least we have our Flags , I will die having seen them with my Kids. How many of these other clubs will never see a Flag because its more important to have a strong side in Syd.

yeh although I just couldn't care less for those other teams, they had the talent at their disposal but failed when the game was there to be won.
It's no different though to what the AFL handed Brisbane in the mid 90's?
Even West Coast handpicked the best talent from an entire state!

I feel more sorry for states like Tasmania or NT, states that have blooded some of the finest talent and done so consistently but have been shunned because of the poor income they'd generate to the league.
I understand it's all a business and that's the only way the world will continue to spin around but the VFL was in dire trouble throughout the 80's early 90's but was still a fabulous competition, albeit, without the extra revenue gathered inside the AFL's closet.

 

[geelong_boy]

zero chance. those picks are still very valuable to the gold coast. Our compo pick is or more value, but not worth both.

Yeah fair enough. I guess we could dream about having three picks in the top 20, if Wells were to nail them we'd be set for years..

 

[Turbocat]

yeh although I just couldn't care less for those other teams, they had the talent at their disposal but failed when the game was there to be won.
It's no different though to what the AFL handed Brisbane in the mid 90's?
Even West Coast handpicked the best talent from an entire state!

I feel more sorry for states like Tasmania or NT, states that have blooded some of the finest talent and done so consistently but have been shunned because of the poor income they'd generate to the league.
I understand it's all a business and that's the only way the world will continue to spin around but the VFL was in dire trouble throughout the 80's early 90's but was still a fabulous competition, albeit, without the extra revenue gathered inside the AFL's closet.

The supporters more than the clubs , I feel for that hollow spot they have. Playing Geelong and Id smash them everytime but still hard not to feel the system is against them.

 

[footscore]

Yeah fair enough. I guess we could dream about having three picks in the top 20, if Wells were to nail them we'd be set for years..

and sometimes you don't necessarily have to find exceptional talent hiding within the top 20, we have found some beauties well outside picks 20 etc.
Just gotta make sure we focus on players that would fit our structure and goals for the future which Wells is very good at doing going by his track record

 

[geelong_boy]

and after winning... attract a 1M a year player. 900,000 a year in the cap sure is a lot of living expense. Is it divided evenly? Does every player get that 900 each? A loaf of bread , rent , a night out is the same for everyone right so the Rookie should get the same as their best player.

Exactly. If the money was being used to help rookie listed players and 'lowly' (I use this loosely, as even the lowest are paid fairly well) paid players then I could understand it. What are rookies on? ~$40K/annum. Lower paid players under $100K a year. In this case and given the cost of property in Sydney fair enough (to rent let alone buy). But it doesn't feel right that the premiers can pick up a guy on close to a million a year.

 

[footscore]

The supporters more than the clubs , I feel for that hollow spot they have. Playing Geelong and Id smash them everytime but still hard not to feel the system is against them.

yep I know.
And there is absolutely nothing that can be done.
Makes you think back to the world cup where Australia blatantly got shafted by Italy and of course the rest was history.

Never watched the sport since and I loved soccer prior to that but I saw the greed of the corporate world take control of actual sporting outcomes and I just hope the AFL stay true to the supporter.
The recent tanking issues, doping investigations do little to make you feel comfortable as it does open the door to conspiracy, as long as there is some legal interpretation which keeps the corrupt parties happy....they can do what ever they wish.

 

[Senatorguesty]

yep I know.
And there is absolutely nothing that can be done.
Makes you think back to the world cup where Australia blatantly got shafted by Italy and of course the rest was history.

Never watched the sport since and I loved soccer prior to that but I saw the greed of the corporate world take control of actual sporting outcomes and I just hope the AFL stay true to the supporter.
The recent tanking issues, doping investigations do little to make you feel comfortable as it does open the door to conspiracy, as long as there is some legal interpretation which keeps the corrupt parties happy....they can do what ever they wish.

All ready happened mate, we are just now realising how much it impacts on field.

 

[ozzyoslo]

must admit, North Melbourne's midfield would now start to shape up as being one of the very best in the competition.

Swallow would have to be amongst the top 10 midfielders in the league and then they have Ziebell, Bastinac, Adams, Cunnington, Anthony not to mention the older blokes who play more of an outside role these days in Wells & Harvey.

How do they now squeeze in Caddy without taking away a midfielder or two?

Boomer was on top coin but now his salary is decreasing..........and he is staring at less time on the park (perma-sub) so thats how we'll see Caddy come in. There will be stiff competition for spots soon with us. I personally like to see Zeibell as a half forward with a smaller game time in the centre.

 

[The rabbi]

Ok my mistake. I'm not a tight arse or anything guys.
We should only head hunt a player if we go all out and offer ridiculous amounts of money like Sydney seem to be able to do (dont know where they get all their money from) or we shut up. Just makes the club look silly to be chasing players and failing.

Sydney have near $1 million more in their salary cap than any other club barring maybe the two new clubs.

 

[jim boy]

given the cost of property in Sydney fair enough (to rent let alone buy).

Buying and renting are very different. If they rent, ok, that investment is gone if forever, but if they buy, then they have an asset which can be disposed of later when they finish in Sydney, leaving that player considerably better off financially than a player in Melbourne or Adelaide. A fair COL allowance would be to say 20% (or whatever figure you like) of any rental property that a player uses to live in as their primary residence is exempt from the salary cap. Above that, costs aren't much different in Sydney.

 

[Neddy1]

The problem is he isnt a top tier young mid. And he is not a strong bodied elite. He has potential to be a very good player but lets dispense with this " elite" garbage for the moment.

Geelong should stick to their well tried strategy when it comes to recruiting....offer what the recruit is worth...no more. If its not enough go to the draft....

Given where he is in his development, Caddy's ability has been blown out of all proportion.

Couldn't agree more!
Played 22 games this year and finished 18th in their B+F . . . . 18th!!!
No other GC player played more games.

21 players played more than 10 games
12 players played more than 15 games
And Caddy finished 18th.
Obviously each player gets a role to play each week, if you can't finish higher than 18th in the your clubs B+F having played almost every game then the Coach/MC just don't think your doin your bit (so why should we)
To say he'd be a good pickup because he's got 2 years of development under his belt to me is wrong. IMO he's probably gone backwards.

Lets trade the compo with whatever extras to GWS and get into a 17yo (who's probably better than where Caddy is at the moment). My guess is he'll have plenty of 'potential'.

 

[muttweed]

Couldn't agree more!
Played 22 games this year and finished 18th in their B+F . . . . 18th!!!
No other GC player played more games.

21 players played more than 10 games
12 players played more than 15 games
And Caddy finished 18th.
Obviously each player gets a role to play each week, if you can't finish higher than 18th in the your clubs B+F having played almost every game then the Coach/MC just don't think your doin your bit (so why should we)
To say he'd be a good pickup because he's got 2 years of development under his belt to me is wrong. IMO he's probably gone backwards.

Lets trade the compo with whatever extras to GWS and get into a 17yo (who's probably better than where Caddy is at the moment). My guess is he'll have plenty of 'potential'.

Yeah, you can look at it like that. And if you want the honest, blunt truth on Caddy, that's what it is.

I've been watching a lot of Fox Footy footy reruns lately, in particular all the GC games. Caddy may not have so much an impact on the game, but he is quality. One thing I noticed is that he will never give up. Last few GC games I've watched included several passages of play of Caddy trying to win the ball, and even when it looked like the opposition were getting away, he did everything within his power to win it. His technique basically was chase the opposition player, apply pressure, try to get the ball, follow the opposition player's dodge, try to get the ball, apply more pressure, chase the opposition player, try to get the ball, DON'T GIVE UP. If he can stick these things, he'll be a very successful player. And that's the main reason clubs want him. For his humongous potential. Has a nice boot on him too.

 

[Neddy1]

Yeah, you can look at it like that. And if you want the honest, blunt truth on Caddy, that's what it is.

I've been watching a lot of Fox Footy footy reruns lately, in particular all the GC games. Caddy may not have so much an impact on the game, but he is quality. One thing I noticed is that he will never give up. Last few GC games I've watched included several passages of play of Caddy trying to win the ball, and even when it looked like the opposition were getting away, he did everything within his power to win it. His technique basically was chase the opposition player, apply pressure, try to get the ball, follow the opposition player's dodge, try to get the ball, apply more pressure, chase the opposition player, try to get the ball, DON'T GIVE UP. If he can stick these things, he'll be a very successful player. And that's the main reason clubs want him. For his humongous potential. Has a nice boot on him too.

So we get him as a tagger then?

We need see ball get ball.
Not see player with ball chase player with ball.

 

[Jimmy Yamazaki]

Caddy was injured in 2011 and played 2 games.. would hardly have 2 years of development. Trade radio said he was unfit this year and not having a big enough tank. Would need a big preseason to get back to where he's rated.

Finished 3rd behind Ablett and Bennell for most goals kicked from the midfield, something we lacked this year. Also 3rd in disposals and was equal with Bennell for goal assists on 22, both 2 ahead of Ablett.

GC Also do there bnf different to other teams too.

In the air for me whether we really need him. But some others rated him highly and I recall people saying we should get Caddy over Boak.

 

[catman 71]

Here's my idea if North want Caddy, and we can't afford him.

How about North and us do a deal? If we drop out of the race for Caddy, they give us Hamish McIntosh, and a high draft pick, for nothing in return. So, we get McIntosh and a draft pick for free, and they get passage to snare Caddy from GC.

This way, we will end up with McIntosh, and draft pick, and Jared Rivers, without giving up anything in return.

If Caddy might be going to North anyway, we might as well get something from the deal as well.

 

[Neddy1]

For me it's arms crossed with a vigorous head shake . . . . . But hey if we get him I'll be arms wide open cos they know a shit load more about it than I do.

Hopefully find out tmrw cos this thread is doin my head in.

 

[Selective Retention]

Caddy is basically in the same position as Smedts.

Missed his first year due to injury, restricted by niggles again this year.

As such he doesn't have the tank to play midfield, which ultimately is where he will play most of his footy.

So quoting stats or b&f finishes is rather pointless. He has had shoulder niggles this year and spent a fair bit of time in the gold coast forward line, not exactly a place to pad the stats or attract b&f votes, it's like a football wasteland.

 

[Seeds]

zero chance. those picks are still very valuable to the gold coast. Our compo pick is or more value, but not worth both.

What about 14 and say pick 40 odd (I'm assuming they have one round their) for our compo pick. I would take that deal too.

 

[Selective Retention]

If we miss the finals next year, our pick could scrape in the top 10.

We won't trade it for average draft picks like that.

It will be for a player that can have an impact next year and have the 50-100 games under their belt by the time we next think we can seriously challenge (e.g. 2015) or we will keep it and nominate next year where we could very well have a downer if we don't get anyone in this year to bolster our squad.