Trade Talk 2013 - Yeo, Doc, Polec, Karnezis, Longer gone - Welcome Paine, West, Magwon!

[lionshine]

We need to trade Merret. He is one of our best, but won't be around for our success. He will start to go down hill in the next year or two anyway. Trade him at his peak and get a top 15-20 pick.

It is actions like this that ruin the culture of a club. Trading out a player who has bled for the club. Merrett is as loyal as they come. He is a guy who said sign everyone else up first and I will take the money left over. He has put the footy club first on many occasions and it would be a disgrace to trade him away. If the club started trading out players like Merrett because he won't be around for our next tilt at a flag I would actually for the first time in decades consider not renewing my membership.

 

[Big Lion]

It is actions like this that ruin the culture of a club. Trading out a player who has bled for the club. Merrett is as loyal as they come. He is a guy who said sign everyone else up first and I will take the money left over. He has put the footy club first on many occasions and it would be a disgrace to trade him away. If the club started trading out players like Merrett because he won't be around for our next tilt at a flag I would actually for the first time in decades consider not renewing my membership.

From a list management point of view it would be a smart thing to do. Just as it would have been smart to trade Browny two years ago or Black for that matter. But as you have pointed out it doesn't bode well for team morale/bonding/loyalty to trade players who have been loyal, taken pay cuts, and as you stated bled for the club. Head v's heart.

 

[Sanchez365]

It is actions like this that ruin the culture of a club. Trading out a player who has bled for the club. Merrett is as loyal as they come. He is a guy who said sign everyone else up first and I will take the money left over. He has put the footy club first on many occasions and it would be a disgrace to trade him away. If the club started trading out players like Merrett because he won't be around for our next tilt at a flag I would actually for the first time in decades consider not renewing my membership.

Haven't you played this before?

 

[Dan12]

If the Saints were intent on getting rid of their older blokes who weren't going to be part of their next premiership side then they would have traded nine players out last trade period, and the Bulldogs would have done so as well. There's a whole lot more to it than 'he isn't going to be part of our next premiership team, better get a high end lotto ticket for him while we still can'. And besides, Merrett may still play in our next premiership team. He'll still be here in 2016 hopefully

 

[cotter101]

We need to trade Merret. He is one of our best, but won't be around for our success. He will start to go down hill in the next year or two anyway. Trade him at his peak and get a top 15-20 pick.

At this stage, he is probably the only elite player on our list. Leuy will soon join that category as well.

What happens if we got rid of Merrett, Goose gets injured and we then have to rely on Patful and Clarke to hold down key posts

 

[luthor]

Trade Merrett...????

BWaaahaaa!!!!

Lionator......You one funny person.

 

[Ruse]

Hawthorn or the team that gets buddy will be going all out to try to fit him in the cap, why don't we let the other clubs drive him price up then pick up the leftover guys that get squeezed out like sydney did a couple of years ago when they picked up kennedy and the other guy (I forget who) for next to nothing.

 

[kerplunky]

Hawthorn or the team that gets buddy will be going all out to try to fit him in the cap, why don't we let the other clubs drive him price up then pick up the leftover guys that get squeezed out like sydney did a couple of years ago when they picked up kennedy and the other guy (I forget who) for next to nothing.

In case you are interested it was Ben McGlynn

 

[Lionator]

I dunno.... I just want some elite dudes that come through together... I think I would rather some big losses now in order to get some high draft picks.
I reckon it would be doing the right thing by Merret also. He might get paid more and put into a winning team.
We get pick 10 and another player like Zorko who has promise. We then use 10 and our other high pick( it will be very high on our current rate) and we pick up another Olly Wines, and Sam Mayes type dudes. Then when we'd have a bright future. The rate we're going our older brigade are going to miss out on success then our younger guys won't be able to fill the gaps

 

[Caiphus]

Most 'elites' aren't generally recognised as such until they are around 24-27. We've barely even got that age profile on our list.

6 weeks ago we still thought we had potential elites on or list. I'm not letting poor form convince me we don't.

I'd rather we back our development than pay over the odds for a mercenary.

 

[Ironmonger]

Most 'elites' aren't generally recognised as such until they are around 24-27. We've barely even got that age profile on our list.

6 weeks ago we still thought we had potential elites on or list. I'm not letting poor form convince me we don't.

I'd rather we back our development than pay over the odds for a mercenary.

That would be an interesting exercise actually. Without any evidence, I'd say more 23-25 than 24-27. Can't think of too many who only emerged as elite at 27.

 

[Quigley]

That would be an interesting exercise actually. Without any evidence, I'd say more 23-25 than 24-27. Can't think of too many who only emerged as elite at 27.

A few good players didn't emerge as elite players until they were over 25. Jobe Watson is one who springs to mind. Dane Swan is another who really became elite over that age. In each case they tidied up their disposal skills and that helped them be accepted around the league as an elite player.

Elite rucks can also emerge later. Maric was AA (I think) last year at 26 after being a serial underacheiver.

You are right though 23-25 is probably more common.

 

[Quigley]

From a list management point of view it would be a smart thing to do. Just as it would have been smart to trade Browny two years ago or Black for that matter. But as you have pointed out it doesn't bode well for team morale/bonding/loyalty to trade players who have been loyal, taken pay cuts, and as you stated bled for the club. Head v's heart.

Melbourne ignored the whole culture thing when they traded and delisted most of their senior players and in particular James McDonald. They are still paying for that decision.

People need to consider not only do we need talent in the side we need to have a good development program in place and a major part of such a program is to have good older players to learn from.

I heard on one of the game telecasts that last year the top 4 sides were the oldest sides in the competition. That in itself should give us pause if we were considering any trade of the senior blokes.

 

[POBT]

I reckon to be "recognised" as elite, you need to have played 2 or 3 seasons of footy that is regarded as top notch. Therefore, you might "emerge" at 24-25 but really become recognised as a truly elite player a couple of years later. Scott Thompson from Adelaide would be an example of this. Matthew Boyd would be another (first AA selection and B&F at age 27). I think it took a long time for the footy world to recognise Luke McPharlin as an elite tall defender. Sam Jacobs is 25 - he obviously had one very good year last year but would need to back it up for another year or two before he's acknowledged as an elite player.

 

[POBT]

Melbourne ignored the whole culture thing when they traded and delisted most of their senior players and in particular James McDonald. They are still paying for that decision.

People need to consider not only do we need talent in the side we need to have a good development program in place and a major part of such a program is to have good older players to learn from.

I heard on one of the game telecasts that last year the top 4 sides were the oldest sides in the competition. That in itself should give us pause if we were considering any trade of the senior blokes.

Yep. I also think that there is a lesson to be had from the expansion clubs given their struggles despite having the most talented youngsters in the country at their disposal. Youth aint always right and, while drafting has improved, it is still not an exact science such that you can lock in every draftee as a 200 gamer.

 

[Harris Specter]

I dunno.... I just want some elite dudes that come through together... I think I would rather some big losses now in order to get some high draft picks.
I reckon it would be doing the right thing by Merret also. He might get paid more and put into a winning team.
We get pick 10 and another player like Zorko who has promise. We then use 10 and our other high pick( it will be very high on our current rate) and we pick up another Olly Wines, and Sam Mayes type dudes. Then when we'd have a bright future. The rate we're going our older brigade are going to miss out on success then our younger guys won't be able to fill the gaps

Yeah, this worked out so well for Melbourne didn't it?

 

[Panthera]

Most 'elites' aren't generally recognised as such until they are around 24-27. We've barely even got that age profile on our list.

6 weeks ago we still thought we had potential elites on or list. I'm not letting poor form convince me we don't.

I'd rather we back our development than pay over the odds for a mercenary.

This is the problem...have we "developed" an AFL standard A-Grader since the three-peat???

Quick answer: No

A decade

 

[mpal6]

This is the problem...have we "developed" an AFL standard A-Grader since the three-peat???

Quick answer: No

A decade

In addition we decided to keep the three-peat core together during our premiership years rather than shuffling some of the promising youngsters through the first 22. Only exception I could remember was Hadley. This is where I feel Geelong got its balance a bit better, not to mention their shrewd recruiting while we were drafting spaandermans for a first rounder.

We did have Craig Bolton and Gram in our list though, whom moved on for better opportunities.

 

[Swanny10]

In addition we decided to keep the three-peat core together during our premiership years rather than shuffling some of the promising youngsters through the first 22. Only exception I could remember was Hadley. This is where I feel Geelong got its balance a bit better, not to mention their shrewd recruiting while we were drafting spaandermans for a first rounder.

We did have Craig Bolton and Gram in our list though, whom moved on for better opportunities.

Geelong almost certainly learnt a lot from our experience and it has been a particular focus since Scott took over to blood the next generation so they avoid the issue we had.

 

[Dan12]

This is the problem...have we "developed" an AFL standard A-Grader since the three-peat???

Quick answer: No

A decade

I reckon Merrett is in the elite category, probably doesn't get the accolades because he plays too far from Melbourne. Carlton, Hawthorn, Fremantle, Collingwood and Essendon (probable top 8 sides) would kill for the guy to be on their list. Hanley looks to have taken a step up this year, and if he continues his form I think he'll be an elite footballer too. I really rate Patfull, and I would call him elite. We so rarely have gun key forwards kick bags of goals against us, there's a good reason for that. Our defense is very good. I think you should hold hope for the 3 R's, Leuenberger, Zorko and Lester to be elite. Too early to judge our 1st-2nd year players, but if we had say 8 stars on our list by 2015-2016 I think that would really give us a shot at a premiership. So in short I think you should wait 2-3 years then get angry if it hasn't happened yet.

 

[Ruse]

Losing Brennan and Rischitelli really set us back as well, we were getting really good value from those two before they left.

 

[PTizzle]

Losing Brennan and Rischitelli really set us back as well, we were getting really good value from those two before they left.

Only temporarily you'd have to think. We got very good results in terms of compensation and trade value for those blokes. Plus if they're willing to run down the road then they hardly bleed for the club. Will definitely be a win in the long run.

 

[Viceregal]

Having trouble placing the terms 'really good value' and 'Brennen' in the same cognitive space - we always *wanted* and *hoped* for really good value but ...

 

[steveys]

Gumbleton would be a great pick up but dont think we stand a chance there, bombers went out on a limb for him and he is now giving back and wont be leaving any time soon.

 

[PTizzle]

Gumbleton would be a great pick up but dont think we stand a chance there, bombers went out on a limb for him and he is now giving back and wont be leaving any time soon.

To be honest, even if he'd be good for our club, good on him. Despite not being a fan of Essendon in the slightest personally, I think faith like that deserves to be repaid and it's good to see.

I've said it before though, you'd have to think in 2-3 years that one of the big forwards from both North and Essendon will want to move on, there's just too much competition there (although I guess their hopes are that Hansen/Hurley can play back in the future if their forwards come on).