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I think Mitch Brown would be a good fit for us. He's from Victoria, so he may want to return home. Wouldn't be thrown instantly into our 22, but I see him gradually earning his spot like Gunston did this season. Over time our back 6 can look like this:
FB: Guerra, Brown, Gibson
HB: Stratton, Schoenmakers, Birchall

At times it may be too tall, but we could release Schoey, Birch or Stratton down the ground and bring back Hodge, Burgoyne or Suckling. Also with Gilham getting a full pre-season into himself, he could gain his spot back in the 22.
 
CaptainHodgey said:
Savage for Pears anyone?
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Tayte Pears is 191cm/92kg - smaller than Shoemaker. To me it would be more of the same. Not offerring anything we already have. The one to look for is Mitch Brown from WC - who 195cm/94kg - who at least looks and plays like a gorilla. (Which Shoemaker may eventually become anyway)
 

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I just remember Pears had that 1 very good season then copped a string of injuries. Haven't seen enough of Mitch Brown to judge him. I think either would be a good addition though.
 
CaptainHodgey said:
I just remember Pears had that 1 very good season then copped a string of injuries. Haven't seen enough of Mitch Brown to judge him. I think either would be a good addition though.
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Even if they're spuds we do need to bring someone on board who can play KPD if Gibson or Schoenmakers is injured. Don't want to see Stratton at CHB - he's so much better in his current role.
 
jd1991 said:
Tayte Pears is 191cm/92kg - smaller than Shoemaker. To me it would be more of the same. Not offerring anything we already have. The one to look for is Mitch Brown from WC - who 195cm/94kg - who at least looks and plays like a gorilla. (Which Shoemaker may eventually become anyway)
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Not saying i agree with the proposed trade but the thing Pears has shown is that he is able to use his body in a marking contest a lot better than Schoenmakers. Scarlett is only 192cm and was able to beat a lot of these monster forwards because he used his body better. I'm hoping Schoenmakers can improve in that department.
 
PenAndPaperJosh said:
Not saying i agree with the proposed trade but the thing Pears has shown is that he is able to use his body in a marking contest a lot better than Schoenmakers. Scarlett is only 192cm and was able to beat a lot of these monster forwards because he used his body better. I'm hoping Schoenmakers can improve in that department.
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Schoenmakers and Buddy both seem to have a centre of gravity up around their ears.

We really need a lump of a guy who can hold his ground while the rest of the defence fling around doing awesome acrobatic defensive manouveurs.
 
Leather Poisoning said:
Schoenmakers and Buddy both seem to have a centre of gravity up around their ears.

We really need a lump of a guy who can hold his ground while the rest of the defence fling around doing awesome acrobatic defensive manouveurs.
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I honestly haven't thought Schoenmakers' core strength is too bad. I seriously can't remember the last time he lost his feet in a contest at ground level, the biggest problem i see is his actual body work as he engages too early in a lot of contests and they are just physically stronger in the upper body and able to push him off.
 
Give The Schoeman some time, he's 21 and is much bigger than he was when drafted. I believe he'll end up the gorilla we all crave. I'd rather have somebody a little short that is strong and confident in a one on one, Schoe has made huge strides this year and i expect him to improve.

We also need to think about replacing Hale, no spring chicken, my mail is his knees arent great and may not have more than a year or two of good footy left. Tom Hickey maybe?

If the club was to chase a gorilla I would also be very happy if we could get Brown from WC, have been keen on him for a while but think it would cost a pretty penny to get him here. Make it happen boys....
 
PenAndPaperJosh said:
Not saying i agree with the proposed trade but the thing Pears has shown is that he is able to use his body in a marking contest a lot better than Schoenmakers. Scarlett is only 192cm and was able to beat a lot of these monster forwards because he used his body better. I'm hoping Schoenmakers can improve in that department.
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Pears is a year older than Shoemaker. Shoemaker has proven he has good body work on all but the mosters. He has even gone well on them on occassion (Cloke rnd 17) This comes on getting stronger in the core and through the legs. This comes with preseasons.
What he does do is not give in or drop his head. He continually works on his game and we have seen year on year comparisons that he is improving.
To get Pears we would need to trade something.
 
jd1991 said:
Pears is a year older than Shoemaker. Shoemaker has proven he has good body work on all but the mosters. He has even gone well on them on occassion (Cloke rnd 17) This comes on getting stronger in the core and through the legs. This comes with preseasons.
What he does do is not give in or drop his head. He continually works on his game and we have seen year on year comparisons that he is improving.
To get Pears we would need to trade something.
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Yea im not disagreeing i really like Schoenmakers. His body work is good against 'lesser' opposition but he engages too early with 'better' opposition because he is trying to be overly physical. I think he just needed to play slightly less body on body against these forwards. But in saying that with an extra 5kg's of muscle or so over preseason he shouldn't have much of a problem competing physically with these monster forwards
 

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PenAndPaperJosh said:
I honestly haven't thought Schoenmakers' core strength is too bad. I seriously can't remember the last time he lost his feet in a contest at ground level, the biggest problem i see is his actual body work as he engages too early in a lot of contests and they are just physically stronger in the upper body and able to push him off.
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He's great at ground level, and he's progressed from falling over to remaining in the contest. He still gets pushed off balance a lot more than we'd like. It's on the way. But I feel if we could take the defensive burden off him we'd have a real weapon, instead of a gap we're trying to plaster over.
 
Not so much about who we should pick up but thinking about Tom Murphy would he match what Sydney normally look for or another club he would be a good fit for? He has been on the outer for quite a while now and surely he needs to start thinking about Tom Murphy soon, what is he? 26? I know no individual is bigger than the club but at some point his life needs to be put first...poor bugger.
 
Books said:
I'd like Ben Jacobs from Port. Heard he may want to move home to Vic. Strong body, groom as replacement for Guerra.

Very happily give a 2nd rounder for him. May cost more though.
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No need imo, we have Cheney for that. What we really need is some KPP depth i would think
 
There are only 22 spots in any team, week in & week out.

Getting a Mitch Brown (for example) doesn't give us the option to play 23 guys. IMO, it means we lose Stratton to the Emergency List (or send Schoey forward).

We won't play Schoey, Gibbo, Brown & Stratton in the same defence & even if we could, why would we? No other team have more than 2 effective tall forwards so we wouldn't play 2 talls + 2 "3rd talls"; especially when we've proved that we can win with 1 tall (Schoey) & 2 "3rd talls" (Stratts & Gibbo).
 
Brant said:
There are only 22 spots in any team, week in & week out.

Getting a Mitch Brown (for example) doesn't give us the option to play 23 guys. IMO, it means we lose Stratton to the Emergency List (or send Schoey forward).

We won't play Schoey, Gibbo, Brown & Stratton in the same defence & even if we could, why would we? No other team have more than 2 effective tall forwards so we wouldn't play 2 talls + 2 "3rd talls"; especially when we've proved that we can win with 1 tall (Schoey) & 2 "3rd talls" (Stratts & Gibbo).
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Stratton can play small better than talls though. I would say that we could fit Brown in with Suckling pushing up to a wing. I wouldn't think we were too tall down back and if we were we would have the option to play Schoenmakers up forward.
 
PenAndPaperJosh said:
Stratton can play small better than talls though. I would say that we could fit Brown in with Suckling pushing up to a wing. I wouldn't think we were too tall down back and if we were we would have the option to play Schoenmakers up forward.
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Sucko is effective when he is clear, like when he plays off his man at HBF & when win the ball & then feed it to him. Put him on a wing & he'll be cut to pieces by his opponent. His game isn't the gut-runner style of a Bateman/Young or to a lesser extent (for now), Smith.

I agree that Stratts plays well on smalls, but he neither runs nor kicks like Goo or Burgoyne. If Sucko plays then Stratts would have to be forcing out either of Goo/Burgoyne & either a runner or a kicker. That's before we even consider Hodge moving to the backline.

* I actually agree that a KPD like a Mitch Brown would be a welcome addition indeed, I just don't think that adding a 4th stopper is the answer; more likely he'd replace one of the other 3 stoppers in Stratts, Gibbo (no way) or Schoey himself (at least as a defender).
 
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