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[Pistol Night]

I used to work with his sister. She reckons that when he went from Geelong to Essendon he was appalled by how unfit the Essendon players were.

Well they certainly made up for lost time after that..

 

[Roverjg]

You keep saying this but it's just not true. Preuss has been in the system for just as long, at 3 clubs for 28 games. Andrew Phillips is entering his 13th season, at his 3rd club and has only played 62 games. That's just 2 current players with a cursory glance. I suspect that you're subconsciously not doing your research on this to validate your point.

Jonathan Giles - 63 games in 10 years across 4 clubs
David Flood – 58 games in 10 years
Guy Richards – 39 games in 7 years
Matt Spangher – 56 games in 11 years across 4 clubs
Joel Tippett – 9 games in 7 years
Daniel Currie – 10 games in 10 years
Majak Daw – 54 games in 12 years
Fraser McInnes – 14 games in 8 years
Scott Gumbleton – 35 games in 8 years
Luke Lowden – 1 game in 8 years
Dawson Simpson – 48 games in 9 years
Matthew Smith – 0 games in 5 years
Jarrod Oakley-Nicholls – 13 games in 6 years
Ian McMullin – 49 games in 8 years
Sam Grimley – 7 games in 7 years
Wayde Skipper – 60 games in 10 years
Mark Scott – 78 games in 12 years across 3 clubs
Corey Gault – 6 games in 5 years
Ricky Nixon – 63 games in 11 years across 3 teams
Joshua Cowan – 16 games in 7 years

Too many to name them all

 

[Kirby]

I used to work with his sister. She said that when he went from Geelong to Essendon he was appalled by how unfit the Essendon players were.

and how much they smell!

 

[Chrispiesssss]

CODE Sports

CODE Sports

www.codesports.com.au

“Coach Craig McRae was inspired by a recent trip to the United Kingdom where he got a first-hand look at England’s national rugby setup under Australian Eddie Jones.”

Anyone know much about that setup?

 

[stormskye]

I have looked, I cant find anyone that tops or matches him. You certainly havent corrected me just helped make the case.

I also don't see that much in the 2 season argument. As a mature player with a change of position, given he went backwards in games in the 2nd season and once out of the AFL team early in the season never broke back in, isnt a great sign.

I hope to be wrong but the evidence we have from the outside seems not great. I know are lot are basing their confidence on our coaching staff but 2 other lots of coaches have seen fit to discard him. Nicks might say Billy has incredible craft in 21 and was glowing about him after the Dogs game in 22 but after 2 more games dropped him for good. Suggests the internal opinions differed quite strongly from those outside quotes.

Liam jones spud it up for the dogs and Carlton for a few years as a forward before switching to defence and becoming close to Aa. It’s not quite as long as frampton, but it does happen.

 

[Gone Critical]

Not quite. Similar discussions to this were had involving GC re Kreuger this time last year. Lo and behold he comes in and is immediately best 22 just as the journeyman Frampton will be. Unfortunately it didn’t work out fine on either front for Kreuger because injuries have so far stymied any thought of that early promise amounting to anything much. The system is evolving and these middling guys coming out of nowhere to have an impact are bobbing up more regularly due to a change in scenery and an environment that works for them. I think it has a lot to do with football clubs focusing on what they can do for them not what they did for others…

Don't agree with that. Looked at my posting around Kreuger when picked up and was positive. Only things I questioned was 3 year contract but acknowledged it was what was needed and that he was certain to play forward. I still hold to that and if when he comes back in 23 the group of Mihochek, McStay and Johnson is working it may still be his best chance is going back if Frampton, Dean , Kelly hasnt really worked.

My 1st post from my search

I like the option of Kreuger this year giving us a speculative group of KPBs and KPFs to work out over the next year or 2.

Keane, Kelly for the backs and McMahon, Cameron, Begg, Johnson, Kreuger for the forwards.

In the meantime hopefully we get in some top end tall talent in 2022 draft and whoever makes the cull from the others will hopefully provide us with a group of KPF and KPB for the rebuild.

Don’t think we should load up on too many speculative picks as will throw the list out more

Not going to list all of them but my hopes for Kreuger were very different from Frampton. Also I am not writing Frampton off just intrigued by his background and how predictive that is of his future. All my speculation is based on next to no knowledge of watching Frampton himself play. Just his playing numbers

 

[Gone Critical]

Jonathan Giles - 63 games in 10 years across 4 clubs
David Flood – 58 games in 10 years
Guy Richards – 39 games in 7 years
Matt Spangher – 56 games in 11 years across 4 clubs
Joel Tippett – 9 games in 7 years
Daniel Currie – 10 games in 10 years
Majak Daw – 54 games in 12 years
Fraser McInnes – 14 games in 8 years
Scott Gumbleton – 35 games in 8 years
Luke Lowden – 1 game in 8 years
Dawson Simpson – 48 games in 9 years
Matthew Smith – 0 games in 5 years
Jarrod Oakley-Nicholls – 13 games in 6 years
Ian McMullin – 49 games in 8 years
Sam Grimley – 7 games in 7 years
Wayde Skipper – 60 games in 10 years
Mark Scott – 78 games in 12 years across 3 clubs
Corey Gault – 6 games in 5 years
Ricky Nixon – 63 games in 11 years across 3 teams
Joshua Cowan – 16 games in 7 years

Too many to name them all

Great list. Doesnt it back up the concern. Long careers few games. None of them ever became best 22 in the AFL. I hope Billy is an exception to this list

 

[neilk]

“Coach Craig McRae was inspired by a recent trip to the United Kingdom where he got a first-hand look at England’s national rugby setup under Australian Eddie Jones.”

Anyone know much about that setup?

Wait and see how the Wallabies setup.

 

[Gone Critical]

Honestly, your whole metric on judging a player based on what other players have historically done is dumb and I wished I hadn't got sucked into it. If we followed your theory we wouldn't have drafted Cox because MacNamara was a failure and there weren't any other US success stories to date.

But it will all work out fine for you in this instance because if Frampton fails you were right and if he succeeds you can enjoy the spoils by being a pies supporter. It's a well trodden path.

No worries. Its not the usual I guess and I don't mind you characterising it as dumb. I do get stuck with my own theories and then spend probably too much time flicking through Draft Guru and Footywire jotting down stats. "Its rare to play finals without at least 1 player kicking 40 goals in the H&A" , "Virtually all the players who become very good, play in their 1st season and then more in the second no matter their draft pick" now " Its almost impossible to find a player who spends 6-8 seasons on a list without becoming best 22 who subsequently goes on and achieves that". Thats where my Frampton estimates come from. Todays list put up by others has only reinforced that.

I am sorry to upset you, its not my intention, nor to draw satisfaction form being right if Frampton doesnt make it. I am barracking for him or Dean or Kelly (least likely). We need one. I can be a dog with a bone, can go to far but I like the chat.

 

[Mongo Ming]

Cast an eye over training and the team...

Surely thats what our coaches are for. Quite interesting they would need someone external.

Great move IMO. Internal coaches are often “yes men” as the coach is essentially their boss. Lord knows Bucks surrounded himself with them and it was ultimately his downfall.

Excellent choice to have an impartial voice assessing training etc.

 

[Matrix10]

Jonathan Giles - 63 games in 10 years across 4 clubs
David Flood – 58 games in 10 years
Guy Richards – 39 games in 7 years
Matt Spangher – 56 games in 11 years across 4 clubs
Joel Tippett – 9 games in 7 years
Daniel Currie – 10 games in 10 years
Majak Daw – 54 games in 12 years
Fraser McInnes – 14 games in 8 years
Scott Gumbleton – 35 games in 8 years
Luke Lowden – 1 game in 8 years
Dawson Simpson – 48 games in 9 years
Matthew Smith – 0 games in 5 years
Jarrod Oakley-Nicholls – 13 games in 6 years
Ian McMullin – 49 games in 8 years
Sam Grimley – 7 games in 7 years
Wayde Skipper – 60 games in 10 years
Mark Scott – 78 games in 12 years across 3 clubs
Corey Gault – 6 games in 5 years
Ricky Nixon – 63 games in 11 years across 3 teams
Joshua Cowan – 16 games in 7 years

Too many to name them all

Too right , and hardly a half decent standard player in that list .

 

[stormskye]

What to expect from Collingwood’s quartet of recruits in 2023

“I think all four of their acquisitions play Round 1.”

www.sen.com.au

 

[Apex36]

After being exposed in the early rounds, Moore’s 1v1 ability improved dramatically and was excellent by seasons end IMO.

His 1v1 ability was always good. The problem was that he was having to try to cover two men because Madgen couldn’t cover even one. It’s no coincidence that Moore’s “improvement” happened to occur once Murphy took Madgens spot in the 22.

 

[Sea fog]

His 1v1 ability was always good. The problem was that he was having to try to cover two men because Madgen couldn’t cover even one. It’s no coincidence that Moore’s “improvement” happened to occur once Murphy took Madgens spot in the 22.

Ha, he said that himself openly 'bagging' Magden when he said Murphy coming into the team has improved our defence. Remember Moore 'took out' Jack against the dogs.

 

[Harry O]

Great move IMO. Internal coaches are often “yes men” as the coach is essentially their boss. Lord knows Bucks surrounded himself with them and it was ultimately his downfall.

Excellent choice to have an impartial voice assessing training etc.

Plus McCartney is especially renowned for his work improving stoppage, clearance and contested ball work
An area we needed to improve

 

[Jasper84]

No worries. Its not the usual I guess and I don't mind you characterising it as dumb. I do get stuck with my own theories and then spend probably too much time flicking through Draft Guru and Footywire jotting down stats. "Its rare to play finals without at least 1 player kicking 40 goals in the H&A" , "Virtually all the players who become very good, play in their 1st season and then more in the second no matter their draft pick" now " Its almost impossible to find a player who spends 6-8 seasons on a list without becoming best 22 who subsequently goes on and achieves that". Thats where my Frampton estimates come from. Todays list put up by others has only reinforced that.

I am sorry to upset you, its not my intention, nor to draw satisfaction form being right if Frampton doesnt make it. I am barracking for him or Dean or Kelly (least likely). We need one. I can be a dog with a bone, can go to far but I like the chat.

I get it GC but you're trying shoehorn
analytics into AFL, of which there's way too many variables. You're also being unreasonable by expecting others to prove your thesis. It's like an atheist asking a believer to prove that God exists. The onus is on the Atheist to prove that he doesn't not the other way around.

I noticed that last year you didn't hold the club and Trey Ruscoe to the same standard as you are Frampton, in that he should have been best 22 and effectively play a concurrent 70 AFL games bar injury? Because that's what we have with Frampton. Pick 55, 2 years as a tall defender.

It looks like you are setting all sorts of subjective high bars, which really shouldn't come into a theory based on historical facts.

 

[cityslick1]

Plus McCartney is especially renowned for his work improving stoppage, clearance and contested ball work
An area we needed to improve

Be nice, though he’s not a perm member of the coaching panel FTR. Is doing one day per fortnight, and in his own words said today “I’m down here learning myself. Have been out of the game for 4 years, so it’s good to get back up to speed with things.”

Unprompted, He also gave a nice stamp of approval to the playing group in the same discussion, with a big nod, saying… “they’re got a great bunch here, these boys. All really love their footy… really good.”

Nice

 

[Roverjg]

Too right , and hardly a half decent standard player in that list .

You are spot on. It defies logic why most of them survived so long

 

[VinnieB]

Don’t envy Ollie having to stand his ground as a defender, with McStay and Mihocek, flying from behind.
His time in defence might be short lived as I don’t rate him as particularly courageous.
Round 1 will therefore be very interesting.

It will be a pity Maynard doesn’t get an opportunity to turn him into a man.

 

[nahnah]

Are you seriously trying to push Moore as a key forward? He's an AA key defender, deal with it.

So was Matthew Pavlich

 

[Fruit]

Great list. Doesnt it back up the concern. Long careers few games. None of them ever became best 22 in the AFL. I hope Billy is an exception to this list

Spangher played in a Premiership at the Hawks. I’m not sure what game it was he was playing but the Grand Final would have been in his 9th season in the AFL for less than 50 games at the time.

 

[whiskeytown]

Don't agree with that. Looked at my posting around Kreuger when picked up and was positive. Only things I questioned was 3 year contract but acknowledged it was what was needed and that he was certain to play forward. I still hold to that and if when he comes back in 23 the group of Mihochek, McStay and Johnson is working it may still be his best chance is going back if Frampton, Dean , Kelly hasnt really worked.

My 1st post from my search

I like the option of Kreuger this year giving us a speculative group of KPBs and KPFs to work out over the next year or 2.

Keane, Kelly for the backs and McMahon, Cameron, Begg, Johnson, Kreuger for the forwards.

In the meantime hopefully we get in some top end tall talent in 2022 draft and whoever makes the cull from the others will hopefully provide us with a group of KPF and KPB for the rebuild.

Don’t think we should load up on too many speculative picks as will throw the list out more

Not going to list all of them but my hopes for Kreuger were very different from Frampton. Also I am not writing Frampton off just intrigued by his background and how predictive that is of his future. All my speculation is based on next to no knowledge of watching Frampton himself play. Just his playing numbers

IIRC you thought Lipinski was a waste of time this time last year too

 

[Jasper84]

You are spot on. It defies logic why most of them survived so long

Probably because this isn't AFL evolution on PlayStation and recruiting for depth is a vital component in winning a premiership.

 

[The Phantom]

Jonathan Giles - 63 games in 10 years across 4 clubs
David Flood – 58 games in 10 years
Guy Richards – 39 games in 7 years
Matt Spangher – 56 games in 11 years across 4 clubs
Joel Tippett – 9 games in 7 years
Daniel Currie – 10 games in 10 years
Majak Daw – 54 games in 12 years
Fraser McInnes – 14 games in 8 years
Scott Gumbleton – 35 games in 8 years
Luke Lowden – 1 game in 8 years
Dawson Simpson – 48 games in 9 years
Matthew Smith – 0 games in 5 years
Jarrod Oakley-Nicholls – 13 games in 6 years
Ian McMullin – 49 games in 8 years
Sam Grimley – 7 games in 7 years
Wayde Skipper – 60 games in 10 years
Mark Scott – 78 games in 12 years across 3 clubs
Corey Gault – 6 games in 5 years
Ricky Nixon – 63 games in 11 years across 3 teams
Joshua Cowan – 16 games in 7 years

Too many to name them all

Not one of them would I want on our list now or even in their own era.

 

[ipswichpies]

Cast an eye over training and the team...

Surely thats what our coaches are for. Quite interesting they would need someone external.

I reckon that is a good move I do not think he got much chance as a senior coach but as an analyst he is quite good and a neutral view is good at any time.