Transfer discussion thread

[Marcel Proust]

Yeah but he has the value so why shouldn’t he capitalise on that? PSG the only ones who could afford it. Would’ve been great to see him in EPL though.

Sounded like pep wanted him but there was too much Kane and grealish focus.

 

[jd2010]

What's the story with kit sale percentages? Of course they'll sell more kits this season, that goes without saying. Nike are already paying a record amount to be the kit sponsor for PSG. 80m euros per season until 2032 to be precise. Why would they give up extra revenue just because Messi has signed? And if they did yes you are correct it would likely be only a small percentage (10% like you claim).

At least you are getting the part about the deal not being financially viable correct.

Clubs earn a fixed up front kit fee and then an ongoing % of shirts sold. They will sell more kits this year & next year because of him so will make more money out of their Nike deal than without him. Also when it comes time to re-negotiating with Nike or moving to Adidas the mass volume they sell over the length of this deal puts them in a better position to ask for even more of a fixed fee.

It's financially viable for as long as the owners of PSG can absorb the cost. If they can absorb them why not sign as many superstars as possible.

 

[Zidane98]

Clubs earn a fixed up front kit fee and then an ongoing % of shirts sold. They will sell more kits this year & next year because of him so will make more money out of their Nike deal than without him. Also when it comes time to re-negotiating with Nike or moving to Adidas the mass volume they sell over the length of this deal puts them in a better position to ask for even more of a fixed fee.

It's financially viable for as long as the owners of PSG can absorb the cost. If they can absorb them why not sign as many superstars as possible.

Says who? Messi is also an Adidas athlete so Nike won't exactly be thrilled about that. With a deal until 2032 what possible reason would Nike have to renegotiate?

 

[jd2010]

Says who? Messi is also an Adidas athlete so Nike won't exactly be thrilled about that. With a deal until 2032 what possible reason would Nike have to renegotiate?

You don't get how club licensing arrangements work do you?

Everything Nike sell with PSG's logo on it generates PSG revenue on top of their flat yearly deal. Every time the PSG name/logo is used to generate revenue for Nike it also generates PSG revenue.

If Nike produce and sell Messi socks with a Nike tick and PSG logo on it, PSG generate revenue as do Nike.

 

[Marcel Proust]

Qatar Airways or something will give them huge money. It won't be an issue imo

 

[Zidane98]

You don't get how club licensing arrangements work do you?

Everything Nike sell with PSG's logo on it generates PSG revenue on top of their flat yearly deal. Every time the PSG name/logo is used to generate revenue for Nike it also generates PSG revenue.

If Nike produce and sell Messi socks with a Nike tick and PSG logo on it, PSG generate revenue as do Nike.

Publicly available information says Nike are paying 80m euros a season until 2032 to be the kit sponsor. Anything else is speculation.

 

[jd2010]

Publicly available information says Nike are paying 80m euros a season until 2032 to be the kit sponsor. Anything else is speculation.

 

[jd2010]

Having been part of a few simpler NRL deal in the past I have told you exactly how these things work. But keep your head there pal.

Also does anyone think there's a monetary value to this 20.4m increase in social media presence?

 

[Memphis]

PSG just doing what we all do on FIFA games, search for world class players with 0-12 months left on their contracts and signing them for free.

PSG about to get used by every player on FUT and exhibition mode.

 

[Zidane98]

Having been part of a few simpler NRL deal in the past I have told you exactly how these things work. But keep your head there pal.

Also does anyone think there's a monetary value to this 20.4m increase in social media presence?

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LOL!! NRL is completely irrelevant to the football world. There are very few football deals for kit sponsorship that are see the clubs earn income based mostly on shirt sales like you claim. I've got contacts inside Melbourne Victory that have shown me how their kit deals work in the past and they have contacts in Europe. Just admit you got this one wrong lol.

Social media - again the advertising income goes to the social media providers. Not to PSG. They pay a fee to the user based off how many followers. Insta for example pays $10,000 a post for up to 1 million followers. Up to $100,000 a post for users with over 1 million followers. Messi will be posting more on his own personal insta so most of that money will go there. Any other social media income PSG receive will likely be short term and at best a pittance compared to his weekly wages.

 

[jd2010]

LOL!! NRL is completely irrelevant to the football world. There are very few football deals for kit sponsorship that are see the clubs earn income based mostly on shirt sales like you claim. I've got contacts inside Melbourne Victory that have shown me how their kit deals work in the past and they have contacts in Europe. Just admit you got this one wrong lol.

Wow. Simply. Wow.

Okay lets hypothetically say I worked with Macron and Eels on their deal. You don't think the way that is structured will be anything like the way football clubs deals with kit manufacturers are structured?

 

[jd2010]

I've got contacts inside Melbourne Victory that have shown me how their kit deals work

And they are the beacon of success....

 

[Zidane98]

Wow. Simply. Wow.

Okay lets hypothetically say I worked with Macron and Eels on their deal. You don't think the way that is structured will be anything like the way football clubs deals with kit manufacturers are structured?

Unless you've been privileged to a football club kit deal then no that has little relevance in the football world. Very little scope for rugby kit sales and/or exposure globally.

 

[Memphis]

Having been part of a few simpler NRL deal in the past I have told you exactly how these things work. But keep your head there pal.

Also does anyone think there's a monetary value to this 20.4m increase in social media presence?

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How do you think google felt last year when Messi first wanted out of Barca.

He got more searches then COVID.

 

[Zidane98]

And they are the beacon of success....

Commercially the most recognised Australian football club worldwide. Last season was a covid write-off but it has been for pretty much the entire footballing world.

 

[jd2010]

Unless you've been privileged to a football club kit deal then no that has little relevance in the football world. Very little scope for rugby kit sales and/or exposure globally.

Lets just say the hypothetical Eels was clearly not the actual club/manufacturer. And the NRL is potentially not the sport I've worked with but something very similar and the manufacturer does have football clubs on their books. Not PSG but many football club deals were referenced.

If MV don't have a licensing arrangement in place you should book them in after your meetings with the state govt. telling them to lockdown suburbs because nobody travels west-east or east-west

 

[Art Vandelay_]

LOL!! NRL is completely irrelevant to the football world. There are very few football deals for kit sponsorship that are see the clubs earn income based mostly on shirt sales like you claim. I've got contacts inside Melbourne Victory that have shown me how their kit deals work in the past and they have contacts in Europe. Just admit you got this one wrong lol.

Social media - again the advertising income goes to the social media providers. Not to PSG. They pay a fee to the user based off how many followers. Insta for example pays $10,000 a post for up to 1 million followers. Up to $100,000 a post for users with over 1 million followers. Messi will be posting more on his own personal insta so most of that money will go there. Any other social media income PSG receive will likely be short term and at best a pittance compared to his weekly wages.

Didn’t Bojan KantKick pantskyle argue this when Pogba joined United.

Essentially the club gets its annual fee for kit sponsorship and the manufacturer takes nearly all if not all the profits for kits sold. Clubs get a cut of profits from kits sold in their club store.

 

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[jd2010]

Didn’t Bojan KantKick pantskyle argue this when Pogba joined United.

Essentially the club gets its annual fee for kit sponsorship and the manufacturer takes nearly all if not all the profits for kits sold. Clubs get a cut of profits from kits sold in their club store.

Club store and a smaller amount when sold to retailers. The first bit is in every deal. The latter generally has benchmarks that need to be beaten to trigger the payment. And the benchmark is much easier to hit signing Lionel Messi than not

 

[pantskyle]

Disappointed Messi went to France. I would've liked to have seen him perform in the EPL the best league in the world instead he took the easy option.
He's worth hundreds of millions, he didn't need the money.

Don't believe he actually had any concrete offers from England, he had one legitimate offer and he took it.

 

[pantskyle]

Didn’t Bojan KantKick pantskyle argue this when Pogba joined United.

Essentially the club gets its annual fee for kit sponsorship and the manufacturer takes nearly all if not all the profits for kits sold. Clubs get a cut of profits from kits sold in their club store.

I can't be ****ed reading Zidanes newest melt, what did I claim?

 

[Zidane98]

Didn’t Bojan KantKick pantskyle argue this when Pogba joined United.

Essentially the club gets its annual fee for kit sponsorship and the manufacturer takes nearly all if not all the profits for kits sold. Clubs get a cut of profits from kits sold in their club store.

It depends on the club. Liverpool accepted less up front but a significant percentage of merchandise sales on the latest nike deal

Liverpool announces lucrative multi-year kit deal with Nike | CNN

Liverpool has announced Nike will become its new kit manufacturer from the 2020-21 season in a deal worth a reported $39.5 million per year.

edition.cnn.com

But yes you are probably right in saying clubs probably get a cut from kit sold in store which realistically won't be a large percentage of all kits sold worldwide.


Seeing as Nike already have PSG locked in for 80m euros a season it seems very unlikely that they'll be paying much in extra revenue to PSG for kit sales.


United get 75 m up front and Adidas get exclusive rights to sell lheir kit worldwide by the look if it:

Manchester United and Adidas in £750m deal over 10 years

Adidas will pay £75m a season to make Manchester United's kit for the next 10 years, after Nike ended its 13-year partnership.

www.bbc.com

So more up front but less from sales.

 

[Zidane98]

Don't believe he actually had any concrete offers from England, he had one legitimate offer and he took it.

There's no doubt he would have accepted an offer from GOAT manager Bielsa to play at Leeds on a discounted wage if it was forthcoming.

 

[Loonerty]

Met Harry Kane in a dream last night. Can confirm he will play for Tottenham against Chelsea this season.

 

[UnitedWarrior93]

He would have been the best player in England. We just won’t see it with our own eyes.

And thank fu**. He would have played for City and scorched the PL.

He’s 35 now, might as well earn good bucks playing in a league they’ll dominate next season and living in a beautiful city.