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Trent Cotchin is the best player in the AFL
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Probably had more to do with him spending half as much time in the mid-field as he does now...
You may have a valid point if he didn't do the exact same things whilst playing for Geelong. Currently, Ablett is the best player in the league, anybody who doesn't think so is kidding themselves.
It isn't a back peddle at all. You specifically brought up winning the Richmond B&F as evidence Cotchin was an elite player. The team finished twelfth so being the best of a below average bunch is not something to crow about. Zaharakis won the B&F in a better side, but you wouldn't call him elite.
Good call.
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Laugh all you want. You'd do it.
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Good call.
Would you swap Wells or Swallow for Cotchin?
No. Cotchin has not exposed a reason to. Racking up the stats in a losing team is not a cause for joy.
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Lol, Wells is 27 and you wouldn't swap him for Cotchin?
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Mate you are kidding yourself - Wells OR Swallow would be massive unders for Cotchin. You could make a case to trade two for one, and even then I still think Cotchin would be the preference.
Here is Swallow v Cotchin in 2012.
Here is Wells v Cotchin in 2012.
Wells would be the only one I'd even consider. Even then, probably still a no.
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Your opinion is your opinion, but I don't mind saying I couldn't disagree more. Cotchin is substantially better than both; I'd have him in a heartbeat over either of those players.
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Missed rounds 11-15 and was subbed off at half time against Gold Coast. Six matches.
He was BOG at half time in the GC game too. If he played the second half out he would have been a certain vote getter in that game.
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I think it would have been in your best interest not to have shown those comparisons. Wells is so far of the mark its funny, and Swallow for someone nearly 3 years older and 43 game more experienced is tracking slightly behind him. But in all fairness has been an excellent round 3 pick up.
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They're both behind him in the stats anyway..
Swallow is so close the differences are negligible, and leads in some of those stats anyway. Being three years older is also largely irrelevant. It isn't 2009. The race to have the youngest list isn't a race worth winning.
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Carlton would offer Kruezer and their 1st pick for CotchinEssendon would offer Richmond Hooker and their first pick for Cotchin.
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I started off being funny because of a slightly delusional Richmond fan but it has become hysterical due to delusional non-Richmond fans.
Swallow, Wells and Zaharakis now all better than Cotchin.
And to Rayven, are you taking the piss???? You think Ablett isn't the best in the game because he doesn't "win his club games"?? This isn't basketball. In football one player makes up 1/22 of the team. That's 4.5% of the team. And the suggestion that he only gets possesions because the opposition don't rate him......
I guess Brad Miller must be the most respected player in the game, he can't get a kick.
And for furthur reference here are Ablett's disposal numbers since his break out in 2007:
2007: 26.9 (premiers)
2008: 28.9 (runner up)
2009: 33.8 (premiers)
2010: 31.5 (3rd)
2011: 30.2 (wooden spoon)
2012: 34.3 (likely 17th)
Swallow, Wells and Zaharakis now all better than Cotchin.
And to Rayven, are you taking the piss???? You think Ablett isn't the best in the game because he doesn't "win his club games"?? This isn't basketball. In football one player makes up 1/22 of the team. That's 4.5% of the team. And the suggestion that he only gets possesions because the opposition don't rate him......
I guess Brad Miller must be the most respected player in the game, he can't get a kick.
And for furthur reference here are Ablett's disposal numbers since his break out in 2007:
2007: 26.9 (premiers)
2008: 28.9 (runner up)
2009: 33.8 (premiers)
2010: 31.5 (3rd)
2011: 30.2 (wooden spoon)
2012: 34.3 (likely 17th)
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There's some terrific young players in the comp and Swallow is one of them. Cotchin is the best of them though IMO, albeit not the best player in the competition (yet).
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Fairly summed up mate. Cotch isn't the best in the comp, yet, but one of the best right now, absolutely. And that'll be reflected in the Brownlow count, of course. He'll poll very strongly there this year, let alone next year.
And he's shown himself able to play a number of different roles equally well.
Been immense for the Tigers this season, but in the last month and a half he's stepped it up even further. Would cheerfully embark on a Viking-style killing and looting spree to get him at our club.
And he's shown himself able to play a number of different roles equally well.
Been immense for the Tigers this season, but in the last month and a half he's stepped it up even further. Would cheerfully embark on a Viking-style killing and looting spree to get him at our club.
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Cool.
So in 2007 Buddy wasn't one of the best 2 key forwards in the game, because he hadn't done it for years.
And throughout most of 2008, when he kicked 113 goals, he wasn't the best big man in the game because he'd only been good for 18 months. At exactly which point is a player considered to have "done it for years"?
How about Ablett or Bartel in 2007/08? Had they done enough years to be considered the best in the league? Because in Ablett's case he clearly was.
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Essendon would offer Richmond Hooker and their first pick for Cotchin.
Normally yes. But not this year, have to take Daniher with first pick.
So just Hooker.
he's very good but he's no gary ablett
your kidding right? you think 3 years difference is not relevant, Swallow has 3 years on Cotchin in terms of development, that is huge when your comparing a 22 year old with a 25 year old.. geez there are some narrow minded people about..
Cotchin is better as a 22 year old. I mean the "My player is younger than your player so my player will end up better" type of thinking has been debunked.
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