TW believes Tambling is on the verge of superstardom within 12 months

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Just a question in regards to what they have offered Bling. Do any of us actually know the value of the contract? It might be a 3 year deal worth $400k which could be broken down: 1st year $100k Years 2-3 $150k, hardly big big money but gives the kid security.

Hopefully the club is not throwing a heap of cash at him like they have others based solely on their potential like they have in the past. Assuming he signs the deal and stays for the 3 years and produces the goods to match the potential then you can reward the kid with the Big $ contract. But for now I believe the club will give him a security contract and look to sign the bigger deal in the years he will be at his prime, 23-27.

 

[Calcium Man]

Ackland, Bannister, Carazzo, Fevola, Houlihan, Kouta, Lappin, McLaren, Sentanta, Saddington, Scotland, Stevens, Teague, Thorton, Waite, Whitnal, Wiggins, Young. The majority of those are 23 or 24. Which is a major up considering the young stars that will be at there prime in 2 or 3. Bolded ones are the ones you'd think are good players. The rest I'd expect to be delisted in the next few bar Ackland.

I did have an age bracket of between 23-27 Stevens and Whitnall are on the border line of that (I actually thought they were a little older) Kouta and Lappin are well above that. Carrazo Good player probably 2nd class like Foley. Setanta had a good pre season and i believe he will be more then handy but lets wait. Thronton good and Waite will be exceptional if he remains injury free. The rest are so so. Your side will be better without them.

I wasn't saying everyone's going to be a judd. These days you'd expect a top 5 pick to make some sort of imediate impact on the game. Except Ruckmen.

Well your expectations for a top 5 pick seem to be that they'll make the imediate impact that Judd did. Hodge took 3 or 4 season to make an impact (Partly to do with injury, but that could be because his body wasnt ready for AFL) Alan Didak was handy but has really only shown his true impact in the last 2 seasons. Goddard, Wells, Brennan and Mcveigh have all taken 3 and 4 years to mature. Sylvia, Walker and Ray have now been in the system 3 years and really only began to show what they are capable of. Cooney and Mclean had break out years last year before that they were just solid. What about Travis Johnstone, i would love him at the Tigers but he took 6 or 7 years to have a real impact.

Your expectations of a top 5 pick are not completely realistic.

From what I've heard a mjor setback for Tambling was the Hammy which considerably lowered his footspeed and footskills. After pettifer(who is now deciding the play) & fiora you'd hate to have another top 10 disaster. Not that carltons any better after livo with 'some' doubt on Russel & Hartlet.

Yeah it is disappointing when a young player, especially one with such high raps, fails at your club. But thats the reality of the draft. It's an inexact science.

Times have changed, bigger salary cap and excellent recruiting. I still think sides to be in premiership contention between 2009 onwards would have needed to spend time at the bottom. Sides like Carlton and Hawthorn will win premierships. System is absolutely shhhhithouse.

Bigger salary cap just means higher wages. It means 5 years ago Judd and Reiwoldt were 500k a year players now they are a million bucks a year. Top draft picks dont guarentee success, yes they give you a good shot at it, but its as much as to do with your later picks and getting good rookies as it is with a couple of top picks.

 

[lids2004roar]

Line them up with Deledio, Tambling, Meyer, Pattison, Polo, Raines, Foley, Schultz and some more speculative types like JON, Hughes, Riewoldt, Connors, Edwards, Thursfield - I'm trying to be unbiased (impossible) but I don't see where your list stands above ours.

I don't see how JON is speculative - he's a top 10 pick! Riewoldt is not speculative, Edwards is not speculative, Hughes is not, Connors is not, Thursfield WAS speculative but seems to have paid off.

 

[PLSC]

I don't see how JON is speculative - he's a top 10 pick! Riewoldt is not speculative, Edwards is not speculative, Hughes is not, Connors is not, Thursfield WAS speculative but seems to have paid off.

do you understand what "type" means or are you that dumb

jon and edwards are pencils - speculative
riewoldt is a short kpp - speculative
hughes and connors both dropped lower than expected for a reason - speculative

 

[lids2004roar]

do you understand what "type" means or are you that dumb

jon and edwards are pencils - speculative
riewoldt is a short kpp - speculative
hughes and connors both dropped lower than expected for a reason - speculative

If you consider someone dumb because they don't buy into the belief that every pencil is "speculative" (which made Chris Judd a very speculative selection) then just shut up.

Let me tell you something, a top 10 draft pick is never "speculative".

Speculative means you don't know if they have enough talent or the right attitude to "make it" so you select then and sit back and hope.

Ray Hall was a speculative pick. Tambling and Oakley-Nicholls are not. To suggest otherwise is an insult to their respective talents.

Maybe you don't understand the definition of "speculative" but you don't pick a top 10 kid in the country just to 'wait and see' if he might one day be a player. Pencils are medically judged as to exactly how much weight they are capable of putting on and how fast - that is why we have a good idea when JON will fill out and by how much. We know this information and selected him anyway, therefore he is not speculative.

Question the reasoning of taking risks on skinny players but don't label them all in the Ray Hall "speculative" category!

 

[lids2004roar]

Bump :

There is a little bit of energy building imo...

 

[Bentleigh]

If you consider someone dumb because they don't buy into the belief that every pencil is "speculative" (which made Chris Judd a very speculative selection) then just shut up.

Let me tell you something, a top 10 draft pick is never "speculative".

Speculative means you don't know if they have enough talent or the right attitude to "make it" so you select then and sit back and hope.

Ray Hall was a speculative pick. Tambling and Oakley-Nicholls are not. To suggest otherwise is an insult to their respective talents.

Maybe you don't understand the definition of "speculative" but you don't pick a top 10 kid in the country just to 'wait and see' if he might one day be a player. Pencils are medically judged as to exactly how much weight they are capable of putting on and how fast - that is why we have a good idea when JON will fill out and by how much. We know this information and selected him anyway, therefore he is not speculative.

Question the reasoning of taking risks on skinny players but don't label them all in the Ray Hall "speculative" category!

Disagree.

JON was speculative.

Hurn would have been far less.

 

[lids2004roar]

While flicking between games last night I saw Hurn get the ball on the HBF and under no pressure kick it 50m sideways. It missed everybody and went over the boundary line for a throw in... worse than Joel Bowden's kick out.

I'd stick with the talents of JON for now, I can see why it is frustrating to have so many players who won't do much for a few years but look at Tambling now. He's starting to show he can tear teams up. JON will be the same, he's got qualities to beat his opponents and in time they will also shine.

I said he isn't speculative because he has some strong qualities that make him a talented player, and talented players have a better chance of being good than speculative players where their talents are not yet seen but recruiters hope might develop.

 

[lids2004roar]

I think that Tambers will be a gem. You can feel it when he plays. Anyone who expected any more from him in the first two seasons was expecting too much. He will step up this year and be a top line player come 2008. That is my opinion.

True that!


The 12 months are up and it's time for Bling to shine.

 

[tony_montana]

True that!


The 12 months are up and it's time for Bling to shine.

yep just flick the switch and he'll tear it up.....

 

[sante]

Doing very well on the track...


PS - It isn't the club talking him up.

 

[Aker39]

Just reported on SEN that he hurt his knee in practise match.

 

[sante]

Just reported on SEN that he hurt his knee in practise match.

*Please don't be serious*

 

[astro_toby]

*Please don't be serious*

i'm hearing ya brother.

seriously, if he has done his knee - i'm ready to ****ing sack our entire medical and training group. this is ****ing bullshit, every year we have players dropping like flies in bloody training games. what kind of professional sports people get injured training???

name any other ****ing sport in the world that has people getting seriously injured in training all the time...

 

[Punt Road Feral]

And it couldn't be from our tough tackling because we were poor and weak at that in 2007.
unless there is a change in that department

 

[PHX]

i'm hearing ya brother.

seriously, if he has done his knee - i'm ready to ****ing sack our entire medical and training group. this is ****ing bullshit, every year we have players dropping like flies in bloody training games. what kind of professional sports people get injured training???

name any other ****ing sport in the world that has people getting seriously injured in training all the time...

It was in a practise match. It happens.

But it didnt. Twas his ankle/foot.

 

[telsor]

i'm hearing ya brother.

seriously, if he has done his knee - i'm ready to ****ing sack our entire medical and training group. this is ****ing bullshit, every year we have players dropping like flies in bloody training games. what kind of professional sports people get injured training???

name any other ****ing sport in the world that has people getting seriously injured in training all the time...

Wouldn't have anything to do with why we're building a training facility at Cragieburn would it? Nah, if that was the case you'd have to give the club some credit for dealing with problems, rather than just being another Carlton troll.

 

[santa claws]

He would know better than us, I'm just passing on the info and IMO it is fantastic to see such faith put in the youngster.

Chances are if TW is this confident to not only offer a 3 year contract, but to publicly state he is likely to reach superstsrdom within 12 months, then he must have some damn good indications to back up his opinion.

BTW it's not just talk - the long-term contract speaks for itself. If TW just came out and said he expects Bling to be a superstar this year then fair enough, but the contract means he is not just talking **** to please the fans. He honestly believes it.

AND WHEN THE KID FAILS TO BECOME A SUPERSTAR THE PRESSURE WILL BE ENORMOUS. EVEN IF HE BECOMES A DECENT PLAYER WHICH IS WHAT HE MAY BECOME. WHAT A SHIT STATEMENT FROM WALLACE.

 

[boodsyboy]

Wallnce should not be saying that just sets yourself up for a fall ,when he plays 22rnds in outstanding form then there might be something to talk about until then its just talk and thats all

 

[lids2004roar]

Reports suggest Bling was a class above in the same way Foley was in the pre season last year

 

[boodsyboy]

Reports suggest Bling was a class above in the same way Foley was in the pre season last year

well hope its right benny and he has a breakout season hope he is back training soon after the ankle setback

 

[sante]

Hopefully the ankle doesn't affect him for the season.

 

[Rayzorwire]

Sounded more like bruising than a structural problem with the ankle. Shouldn't be more than a minor hiccup.

 

[cotcha now]

terry wallace saying that is putting more pressure on him to perform well

hope he does recover from his injury