Rumour Two current AFL stars have lost $1 million each on the punt

[Smoocher]

**** gambling. A cancer on society. And **** all the people that think it’s fun.

Couldn’t agree more.
No sympathy for any idiot that gambles like a degenerate.


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[Smoocher]

Bet365 put me on restriction last week, when i rang and asked why i couldn't place a bet the bloke on phone said its there right to do so under terms and conditions etc.

Why wouldn’t you just stop betting if you know they are crooks.




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[Tiges1229]

Why wouldn’t you just stop betting if you know they are crooks.




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I did , withdrew all my monies once they put me on restrictions .

 

[1991firstgamer]

Yep. He was getting to stage of borrowing money from first year players was my understanding ... not a great role model I’d say

Borrowing as in stealing

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[CH Jazz]

Anyone else notice the glaring typo in Beam’s insta post today where he described himself as a ‘broken man’.

Assumed he meant ‘broke’.

 

[beaglebombs]

Why wouldn’t you just stop betting if you know they are crooks.




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Yeah they are prks that's why many successful punters have many people who open accounts for them....i'm not saying it's normal but it happens and has been happening with these entities for years...just like the casinos banning winning punters!
I agree it's a shameas most people lose but it's the same as in many other free martkets.

 

[Cuzz09]

Its VERY hard to just STOP BETTING. Its as addictive as any drug going around.

Plus these guys have so much spare time and (I assume) disposable income to play with the thrill of a big win is too much.



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[1970crow]

Word is Lions were relieved to be rid of beams last year. Very polite and disappointed publicly but the guy is an out of control gambler who still owes money to some of the rookie players at lions ... he’s had a tough run in other areas of his life etc so fair to cut him some slack but genuinely was relief he was gone from those in the know.

Takes a fair problem for a bloke on $700k ish to be hitting up rookies on $80k.

 

[1970crow]

Are you f......n joking!! The rare punter that has a reasonable winning ratio gets barred from sites like Bet365. Zeljko works with the Bookmakers and bets something like a million a week - hardly an average punter. You must have been in a coma the term you had Logical Thinking 101. The Mafia and Concentration Camps provided employment as well, but ....

I started working in a chartered accounting firm after leaving school back in 1989. Unlike most, I started in tax instead of audit. One tax return I did in my first year was for a professional gambler who punted on racing. The firm had been doing his returns for numerous years. The year I did it his declared income was $120k. His records was just page after page of bets with tab and bookies and results. I can’t imagine that he declared all his income, in a pure cash system, why would you. So unless professional gambling was a front, I expect you can still make money just using bookies, tabs and small bets across multiple online providers.

 

[1970crow]

Its VERY hard to just STOP BETTING. Its as addictive as any drug going around.

Plus these guys have so much spare time and (I assume) disposable income to play with the thrill of a big win is too much.



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Plus the sick feeling that would come with knowing how much you’ve lost. A mate of mine got gambling help about 25 years ago. Not sure if it’s changed, but he told me something interesting. Gambling addicts aren’t playing to win. Winning doesn’t give them satisfaction because they’ve still got money to bet. So they’ve gotta keep going. Satisfaction can only occur when there’s nothing left to gamble with.

 

[HairyO]

Its VERY hard to just STOP BETTING. Its as addictive as any drug going around.

Plus these guys have so much spare time and (I assume) disposable income to play with the thrill of a big win is too much.



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Champion footballers of the past used to spend their extra time training more. Dunstall would routinely stay for hours after training. He'd have 20 kicks at goal moving along the 50m line and he wouldnt go home until he got all 20 through the middle.

Crawford would run half marathons for fun. And often run to and from training.

Now its sitting around during the day playing Xbox and going out all night getting wasted. I feel so bad for the princesses.

 

[The wily weagle]

I'm not sure what's with all the cloke and daggers by calling it a "mental health issue".

Just come out and say he has a problem with a gambling addiction. People won't think any less of him, and calling it what it is might actually inspire other people having the same problem to seek help.

 

[HairyO]

I'm not sure what's with all the cloke and daggers by calling it a "mental health issue".

Just come out and say he has a problem with a gambling addiction. People won't think any less of him, and calling it what it is might actually inspire other people having the same problem to seek help.

The media would then have to question why the AFL takes millions from betting companies.

Instead everyone stays quiet, the AFL get their money, and the media get their free Grand Final tickets for being compliant.

 

[Mootsy]

I notice with people who gamble, they do it as something to do instead of a hobby or something that has meaning. So people work a lot and then go out to dinner and they just like the idea of playing a game afterwards. If that person loved console gaming, drawing, building, reading, cooking, creating etc then they have no reason to do it. Also, why the heck do footballers need to gamble, they earn great money, it's pointless.

Advice to these people, find hobbies that you enjoy that have meaning!!

Get out of groupthink, find your own meaning.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Plus the sick feeling that would come with knowing how much you’ve lost. A mate of mine got gambling help about 25 years ago. Not sure if it’s changed, but he told me something interesting. Gambling addicts aren’t playing to win. Winning doesn’t give them satisfaction because they’ve still got money to bet. So they’ve gotta keep going. Satisfaction can only occur when there’s nothing left to gamble with.

Yep, it's not necessarily a habit, but a way of life for some people. A guy I knew from my cricket club had been to the races one afternoon. I asked how he'd gone, he told me he won $12,000. When I remarked he didn't seem all that pleased about it, he just said "Only makes up for what I lost last week". He never seemed to have money problems, but in reality, who knows?

 

[burge13]

Plus the sick feeling that would come with knowing how much you’ve lost. A mate of mine got gambling help about 25 years ago. Not sure if it’s changed, but he told me something interesting. Gambling addicts aren’t playing to win. Winning doesn’t give them satisfaction because they’ve still got money to bet. So they’ve gotta keep going. Satisfaction can only occur when there’s nothing left to gamble with.

$1 in the pocket is too much and $1000 is never enough...

it's often the feeling of winning that triggers people but these blokes play high level sport so why would they need that 'rush'. Has to be the amount of free time and lack of other options (can't go to a pub with mates, that'll make the papers)

Perhaps if the media here let these blokes run normal lives rather than them always needing to keep up appearances there'd be less trouble?

 

[Waca Jr]

I started working in a chartered accounting firm after leaving school back in 1989. Unlike most, I started in tax instead of audit. One tax return I did in my first year was for a professional gambler who punted on racing. The firm had been doing his returns for numerous years. The year I did it his declared income was $120k. His records was just page after page of bets with tab and bookies and results. I can’t imagine that he declared all his income, in a pure cash system, why would you. So unless professional gambling was a front, I expect you can still make money just using bookies, tabs and small bets across multiple online providers.

This. True. Only way pro gamblers make any cash is to be ahead of the curve and spread their bets across multiple accounts usually in other names. That is how the syndicates work. Many pro punters wluld lose races just as much as any other person. However, where they make their cash is by betting on outcomes that are over their true chance of winning. This is how they make a living. If a pro punter marks a horse at say 4/1 and they can get 7/1 they bet accordingly.

 

[HairyO]

This. True. Only way pro gamblers make any cash is to be ahead of the curve and spread their bets across multiple accounts usually in other names. That is how the syndicates work. Many pro punters wluld lose races just as much as any other person. However, where they make their cash is by betting on outcomes that are over their true chance of winning. This is how they make a living. If a pro punter marks a horse at say 4/1 and they can get 7/1 they bet accordingly.

Or they are in on the race fixing.

Much better odds then.

 

[Horizons_00]

I'm not sure what's with all the cloke and daggers by calling it a "mental health issue".

Just come out and say he has a problem with a gambling addiction. People won't think any less of him, and calling it what it is might actually inspire other people having the same problem to seek help.

The AFL wouldn’t allow that

That is a huge reputation risk. Can you imagine the headlines

“Afl helping Beams through his mental issues and will support him through it”

Or

“AFL have a massive gambling issue and it’s destroying players mental health”

 

[TripleJay]

The AFL wouldn’t allow that

That is a huge reputation risk. Can you imagine the headlines

“Afl helping Beams through his mental issues and will support him through it”

Or

“AFL have a massive gambling issue and it’s destroying players mental health”

This ^^^. Both descriptions describe what is happening, but only the later harms the AFL.

 

[flylikeaneagle]

I started working in a chartered accounting firm after leaving school back in 1989. Unlike most, I started in tax instead of audit. One tax return I did in my first year was for a professional gambler who punted on racing. The firm had been doing his returns for numerous years. The year I did it his declared income was $120k. His records was just page after page of bets with tab and bookies and results. I can’t imagine that he declared all his income, in a pure cash system, why would you. So unless professional gambling was a front, I expect you can still make money just using bookies, tabs and small bets across multiple online providers.

this sounds like bs, gambling winnings are not taxable in australia. only possible reasons for going out of your way to pay tax is being a good samaritan or money laundering.

zeljko and his punters club mates got targeted by the ATO and came to an undisclosed agreement, fairly certain the ATO's claim against him was not specifically for gambling winnings, but for running a business as he employed around 80 people (weather info, track info, etc)

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[WillieNillie]

I think people are a bit mis guided in how punting debts work. You need to remember. If I owe bet365 1.5 million, bet365 have given say $5000 of peoples times as a resource lost in order to get that 1.5 mill. In other words, they dont need to get all of it to obtain a profit from the person

Whats quite prevalent nowadays is a guy like Eddie being a broker and organising a contract to wipe off the debt. ie. Dayne Beams will pay you 15% of his wage for the next 30 years. I can guarantee you 15% of his wage will be 80 000 for the next 5 years. So you are guaranteed a 400k return. You may even get the 1.5 mill back, if you dont then its too bad. Most of the time they just take it knowing they are financially winning still

 

[WillieNillie]

^^

This was 100% done for one of GWS recruits back in their early days. The AFL was aware of it and signed off on it

I wont say the name because that is a bit floggish

 

[Hawker55]

Champion footballers of the past used to spend their extra time training more. Dunstall would routinely stay for hours after training. He'd have 20 kicks at goal moving along the 50m line and he wouldnt go home until he got all 20 through the middle.

Crawford would run half marathons for fun. And often run to and from training.

Now its sitting around during the day playing Xbox and going out all night getting wasted. I feel so bad for the princesses.

Because no old school footballers ever drank too much or smoked/bet too much in their time off :|

 

[HairyO]

Because no old school footballers ever drank too much or smoked/bet too much in their time off :|

They'd still spend time working on skills.

Now you just chuck the ball and the umpires let it go because the most important thing is to keep the ball moving.