UK UK general election, July 4

[FurTheWin]

Starmer has a problem the will start to appear within the next six months, the absolute large majority will cause the far left to put pressure on Labour to legislate far left laws. You can bet that the far left is a huge bloc. It won't be a good look when Starmer is pushing back against this group.

What are you talking about?
There is no massive Far Left Bloc in Britain, never has been.
The new Labour Govt's biggest concerns in the short term will be giving Brits some hope around their everyday standard of living, addressing immigration (already ditched the farcical Rawanda scheme and planning a better Border Force) and standing up to attacks from the Far Right who claim to be the authentic Voice of the People (with 14% of the vote)

 

[Saint]

It's a huge problem for the Right side of UK politics. A third of the conservatives side want to be Farage-style Reform with ultra nationalism. The other 2/3 are old school conservatives. It's the same thing as is happening in Australia between the old school Libs and the new god-botherers/climate deniers, but UK's voting system makes the outcome a lot worse for them.

 

[peetoo]

If you make it to the end of this I’ll award you a badge.

 

[Festerz]

Turnbull is a much better ex-PM than he was as PM.
Worth listening to and makes some good points.

Yep.

 

[peetoo]

Yep.

Unfortunately the dog whistle appeals to a significant portion of voters.

The right answer I’d Dutton is unintelligent, unimaginative and actually proven incompetent in the ministries he has held
Probably under Malcolm if truth be told

 

[kalex6251]

wont happen but starmer should immediately call a wide-ranging inquiry into the english financial system - with specific attention on the damaging influence russian money has had on 'the square mile' .......... if nutters like farage and other assorted pro-brexiteers like aaron banks are caught up in the investigation then great

 

[peetoo]

Yep.

Not suited to be PM, but suited to home affairs or immigration eh Malcolm?

So really the libs have factional powerbrokers despite them protesting the opposite.

Is Dutton now the powerbroker? We know Morrison ran rings round him in the spill after Turnbull

 

[Rob R]

What are you talking about?
There is no massive Far Left Bloc in Britain, never has been.
The new Labour Govt's biggest concerns in the short term will be giving Brits some hope around their everyday standard of living, addressing immigration (already ditched the farcical Rawanda scheme and planning a better Border Force) and standing up to attacks from the Far Right who claim to be the authentic Voice of the People (with 14% of the vote)

Being honest and disciplined will be a welcome relief for most Brits especially given inflation seems to be coming under xontrol. Finding a way to stop the country shoppers arriving will also be a key step.

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[MrKK]

Interesting exercise someone has undertaken about the Reform impact.



I believe they are using this as the basis for distributing Reform votes to other parties. Very inexact as that distribution would be far from uniform across the whole UK but better than nothing.

 

[Chief]

An actual Lord and a right wing newspaper journalist making sure a black man does not call Nigel Farridge "far right".

After he gave multiple examples of racism and far right actions and attitudes - including admitting to copying "clever" tactics from the Nazis.

 

[peetoo]

An actual Lord and a right wing newspaper journalist making sure a black man does not call Nigel Farridge "far right".

After he gave multiple examples of racism and far right actions and attitudes - including admitting to copying "clever" tactics from the Nazis.

Nationalist then

 

[Chief]

Nationalist then

As he said, the definition of far-right gets so narrow that it's almost impossible to be called far right unless the object of the conversation actually admits it in writing.

 

[Todman]

Turnbull is a much better ex-PM than he was as PM.
Worth listening to and makes some good points.

It's easier to be looking from the outside in than having to deal with it on the inside.

 

[Fire]

Turnbull was a gutless PM. He was always a reluctant appointment by the far right, and chose to appease them over taking risks to set the policy and establish himself. In the end he failed like all appeasers to those types do. He was a poor political strategist whos only success was getting gay marriage through.

But that doesn't mean he was an idiot, or isn't worth listening to on the other side.

 

[Ballarat Bob]

Turnbull was a liberal centreist but he couldn't upset the right wing too much to stop getting dumped. If he decided to run now his natural home would probably be as a teal independent.

 

[peetoo]

Renationising passenger railways, which are in a poor state

 

[King Patty]

Turnbull was a liberal centreist but he couldn't upset the right wing too much to stop getting dumped. If he decided to run now his natural home would probably be as a teal independent.

Turnball could start his own party like katter/Hanson/Lambie and imagine he would be more successful than they have been.
Might annoy a few Liberals though. Turnball speaks well, and has leadership experience.
The reason Teals done so well was they were financially backed and not too different from major parties.
Turnball has the cash behind him. I can see a future where there is a third party like the Democrats,Greens, but more centrist. Keep the ***ards honest was a good slogan.
The individuals need to be outspoken and high profile to get elected. But once elected, they6 struggle to bring enough people to join team, and even then they jump ship, just look at lambie party in Tassie.

Most aussie are more aligned to the centre.

labor/Greens are too left
Libs too right

 

[Fire]

Turnball could start his own party like katter/Hanson/Lambie and imagine he would be more successful than they have been.
Might annoy a few Liberals though. Turnball speaks well, and has leadership experience.
The reason Teals done so well was they were financially backed and not too different from major parties.
Turnball has the cash behind him. I can see a future where there is a third party like the Democrats,Greens, but more centrist. Keep the ***ards honest was a good slogan.
The individuals need to be outspoken and high profile to get elected. But once elected, they6 struggle to bring enough people to join team, and even then they jump ship, just look at lambie party in Tassie.

Most aussie are more aligned to the centre.

labor/Greens are too left
Libs too right

Labour are not 'left'. They don't have any major policies that would be considered anything more than centrist. I mean, even Keating says they make him look like a Bolshevik.

But that aside, I do agree there is POTENTIAL for Turnbull to unite the teals into a decent economic conservative, socially liberalish party, but he hasn't made any moves that I am aware of to do so, nor do I think he has it in him. Who knows, the teals might not be here to stay anyway. They might just pop up as a protest party against any liberal government seeking re-election.

 

[peetoo]

Labour are not 'left'. They don't have any major policies that would be considered anything more than centrist. I mean, even Keating says they make him look like a Bolshevik.

But that aside, I do agree there is POTENTIAL for Turnbull to unite the teals into a decent economic conservative, socially liberalish party, but he hasn't made any moves that I am aware of to do so, nor do I think he has it in him. Who knows, the teals might not be here to stay anyway. They might just pop up as a protest party against any liberal government seeking re-election.

Malcolms political nous was poor, as was Rudds

What we have now is the extremists both sides having more clout. Climate wars being the best example.

This stuff has plagues british politics for a century now and australia managed to reign in the excess for most of that time